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[Alex28]

Good god...just makes me cringe...

 

[Karmawave]

to cover what up?

what stuff?

Well if he is " thanking them kinda thing instead of calling them a dirty whore " , what would be your best presumption to what he is talking about mate? A game of twister? :lol:


He was at a sexual assualt seminar, so what do you think the topic on hand is?

On top of that, I'm unsure of anything in the world that is above board that needs to be ' covered up ' anyway?

 

[copy cat]

mate without seeing the clips they were watching and hearing the question i think you are being a bit short sited and judgmental.
maybe you a right but there is still a massive grey area over what he is talking about

not all about how u treat a woman during the night, if you treat her like sh*t after she is going to regret doing what ever it is she has done with you.

so im not disaggreeing with you, but simply think you are calling it a bit early

 

[Karmawave]

mate without seeing the clips they were watching and hearing the question i think you are being a bit short sited and judgmental.
maybe you a right but there is still a massive grey area over what he is talking about

not all about how u treat a woman during the night, if you treat her like sh*t after she is going to regret doing what ever it is she has done with you.

so im not disaggreeing with you, but simply think you are calling it a bit early

You can stretch the comments to look for positives around all day, but its crystal clear what he is saying in practically everyone's eyes who heard the quotes.

Newspapers can twist quotes to suit themselves.

But when a video is put there, and you see a bloke talking using his very own chosen words, its a bit hard to see it any other way.

His answer and the words he uses is concerning whatever the question was he was asked. He was at a sexual assault seminar, and on the program last night, they actually showed segments of the education clips they were watching.

No innocent bloke who has a consensual 1 on 1 , one night stand has to " cover up " anything.

 

[macavity]

I think SW was trying to say something relatively sane but ended up sounding like a monster.

Does anyone here actually think he was saying rape is ok as long as you are nice to them afterwards?

I think what he was trying to say is that when you are each drunk (for example) you may well wake up regretting things (or she might, at least) - and that regret is less likely to turn into denial of consent after the fact (which is what people are alluding to) if you are nice to the girl afterwards and treat her with some dignity and respect.

Basically, if you act like a douche afterwards, they are going to think you were a douche before and during as well, whether they remember it clearly or not.

kids do crazy things (havent we all) and sometimes you are a bit regretful afterwards, but acting like a dick about it afterwards makes it far far worse and may lead to a perception in one party's mind that not all was kosher - i.e. "there is no way I could have agreed to sleep with that douchebag".

I think the words "cover it up" or whatnot were very poor and what leads to the insidious inference. The guy needs toastmasters as much as he needs sensitivity training.

thoughts?

 

[copy cat]

yeh mate i agree well said.

make a lot more sense then what some are carrying on about.

 

[Karmawave]

I think you're right in alot of ways Macca.

I guess its more disappointing that instead of actually recognising the situation was completely wrong to begin with, he seemed to merely justify it with a way to solve any potential aftermath. Accept its wrong, and there's no reason to cover up anything, or look for excuses how to ensure the girl is put in a taxi and it all goes away.

I'm certain he doesn't condone RAPE as such, but a major point of those seminars is to show footballers that sneaking in your team mate to start having sex with the girls as well when she isn't aware of it occurring, is actually a form of sexual assault without being the true definition of rape.

And there's plenty of young blokes around who seem to think that there is nothing wrong with helping your mate out in that way.

They don't see sharing a girl who has consented to them, with their mates as a form of sexual assault.

I'm sure it a minority, but its enough to be concerning.


And while it may not have been intentional Macca, unfortunately, there'll be few people watching who will take that view.

I think plenty of people think the bloke is a d*ckhead after what he said. And its hard not to.

 

[Alex28]

I think the words "cover it up" or whatnot were very poor and what leads to the insidious inference. The guy needs toastmasters as much as he needs sensitivity training.

And here is the problem. Allowing guys to be screeened with no media or presentation training on national television in a show that is focussed around negative attitudes towards women by footballers...feeding lambs to slaughter. I don't think the club has done the right thing here at all.

 

[Serc]

dunno how u can judge him by the half a dozen words taken out of context. without hearing the question and the rest of his response it means nothing.

Yep agreed

I think SW was trying to say something relatively sane but ended up sounding like a monster.

I think what he was trying to say is that when you are each drunk (for example) you may well wake up regretting things (or she might, at least) - and that regret is less likely to turn into denial of consent after the fact (which is what people are alluding to) if you are nice to the girl afterwards and treat her with some dignity and respect.

I think the words "cover it up" or whatnot were very poor and what leads to the insidious inference. The guy needs toastmasters as much as he needs sensitivity training.

and yes as well (particularly Simon's last few words...no idea wtf that was)

I'm pretty sure the question he was being asked by the guys running the seminar was along the lines of - how do you deal with this situation during and after you both decide that "its on"? Ultimately we are never going to know unless we see the full unedited footage of that part.

Edit: Just on the Normanby and that Palavi chick (yuck)...I partly associate with some of the footy community up here and it is certainly pretty much the highest place on the list to go in terms of general "its the place to be" reputation as well as "the place to be if you want to bump into footy players"

Sorry for the quote spamming but I thought it was easier than doing a Simon Williams myself

 

[ramble_on]

You can stretch the comments to look for positives around all day, but its crystal clear what he is saying in practically everyone's eyes who heard the quotes.

Newspapers can twist quotes to suit themselves.

But when a video is put there, and you see a bloke talking using his very own chosen words, its a bit hard to see it any other way.

His answer and the words he uses is concerning whatever the question was he was asked. He was at a sexual assault seminar, and on the program last night, they actually showed segments of the education clips they were watching.

No innocent bloke who has a consensual 1 on 1 , one night stand has to " cover up " anything.

You can, and you quite regularly do, twist anything into any context you like if all the facts are not given. "Cover up" may well have been used in terms of keeping the matter private, but of course if this was demonstrated by using the complete interview then it would not be as controversial and therefore less newsworthy. I'm not saying that your take on it is wrong, just that your argument for taking it as fact is less than compelling.

 

[bluesbreaker]

Ramble on, you look a little like Gaddes!

 

[otori]

It wasn't a very good report in terms of journalistic value speaking from someone that has done tertiary study with journalism. She spent the entire first half trying to make it seem balanced and then spent the rest of it attacking one sport. I found it pretty interesting that a fair few of the footy boys at the Normanby were Reds players, not Broncos. This sort of stuff is nothing new for most people and the shock value has really worn off.

On a side note, I don't think I've ever thought less of a person that the Palavi lady at the end. She was easily the most shallow, dirty, disgusting slurry I have ever seen in my life.

 

[ramble_on]

Ramble on, you look a little like Gaddes!

I wish I knew who that was so I would know how I should take it..!!

 

[keeney]

Not well mate. Not well. I think he goes by Saint Brett nowadays? He's got a geocities site of himself posing in weird photos somewhere.

 

[perverse]

lol, gaddes cracks me up every time. to this day, i still can't work out if he's just having a massive laugh at the lot of us with a collosal gee up... or whether he truly is a disturbed individual. either way, it's hilarious.

 

[ramble_on]

Oh well... and there the similarity ends.... I wouldn't grace the pages of a geocities site if my life depended on it...

 

[Karmawave]

You can, and you quite regularly do, twist anything into any context you like if all the facts are not given.

:lol: Its not even about ' me ' man.

How do you honestly think Simon Williams came across to the vast majority of viewers of the program last night? Just watch what Williams has to say. All there is, is a camera, his mouth going and his words coming out. How can it be viewed in any other way than black and white?

Today alone, the people I have spoken to about the program, have actually singled out Williams comments above and beyond anything else in the program as the worst part of the show!

And that's without my prompting or influence!

Alex28 touched on earlier that its the talk of his office. Its the talk of everywhere. How a no name under 20's kid somehow became the focus of that show last night is beyond me - but hey, it might have something to do with what he said!

We can look for positives or excuses all we like, but in the end, how do you think he honestly came across to the masses?

 

[bluesbreaker]

Gaddes is one of my favourite forum posters. Like Perverse, i'm not sure if he's just having a big laugh at all of our expenses (like I do a lot on the interweb), or if he truly is bat sh*t insane.

Either way, he's a winner in my books!

 

[Pika]

Would not be the first time someone was taken out of context for the sake of 'journalism'.

I am going to ask him tonight.

While it certainly does not seem that way, Simon is one of the quitest down to Earth kids in the squad. Country bloke with a long term girl. Has a cadetship at a local High Voltage Electrical firm and is studying Electrical Engineering.

Does this mean he was taken out of context? Of course not.

He could still be a first class dill.

 

[ramble_on]

:lol: Its not even about ' me ' man.

How do you honestly think Simon Williams came across to the vast majority of viewers of the program last night? Just watch what Williams has to say. All there is, is a camera, his mouth going and his words coming out. How can it be viewed in any other way than black and white?

Today alone, the people I have spoken to about the program, have actually singled out Williams comments above and beyond anything else in the program as the worst part of the show!

And that's without my prompting or influence!

Alex28 touched on earlier that its the talk of his office. Its the talk of everywhere. How a no name under 20's kid somehow became the focus of that show last night is beyond me - but hey, it might have something to do with what he said!

We can look for positives or excuses all we like, but in the end, how do you think he honestly came across to the masses?

I haven't seen it. I really am not that interested in watching it either. The point I was making is that if they've selectively shown what comes out of his mouth and not given any indication of what the context of his comments was then it is gullible to assume you know the facts..... it's a media ploy to make things appear more interesting or controvertial by ommitting some of the facts... just because they can fool the majority does not make it more believable.... as I said, I'm not defending what he said, just not prepared to judge it until the complete picture is given.... which would be never... you're quite welcome to your opinion... I just think it's unfounded....