Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[mightybears]

By 'Scabs' I assume you mean the Glorious Brisbane Broncos, the club with the strongest national sporting brand as decided by Business Review Weekly? ;-)

I do, Red Hill Scabs-the full name

I well know their strength, the one team City, 5 premierships, makes sense that brand wise they are No.1 in many ways, but my 'pathology' is what makes me think that a second Bris-ish SE Qld team will work [besides the obvious pop-demographic growth here]. The residual Bronc dislike was, is, and will be strong in this part of the world. The Crushers sucked, shafted by the News Ltd media, but still drew crowds. The support for the GC Titans, esp on the southside is very strong.

 

[mightybears]

2006 census 15 largest urban centres in Australia, with Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington shown for comparison.

Italic and underlined are centres with an NRL side. (Included Cairns because of ties to Cowboys). Bold are places of interest. afl marked places with (or getting) an AweFuL side, aleague for those with an a League team, and s15 for super dooper rugby.

Sydney - 3,641,422 - nrl - afl - aleague - s15
Melbourne - 3,371,888 - nrl - afl - aleague - s15
Brisbane - 1,676,389 - nrl - afl - aleague - s15
Auckland 1,333,300 - nrl - s15
Perth - 1,256,035 - afl - aleague - s15
Adelaide - 1,040,719 - afl - aleague
Gold Coast - 454,436 - nrl - afl - aleague
Wellington - 386,000 - aleague - s15
Canberra - 356,120 - nrl - s15
Christchurch - 386,000 - s15
Newcastle - 288,732 - nrl - aleague
Central Coast - 282,726 - aleague
Wollongong - 234,482 - nrl
Sunshine Coast - 184,662
Geelong - 137,220 - afl
Townsville - 128,808 - nrl - aleague
Hobart - 128,557
Cairns - 98,349 - nrl (cowboys)

- where Central Qld cities fit in

22. Rockingham - 67,520
23. Mackay - 66,874
26. Rockhampton - 60,827
28. Bunderberg - 46,961

Tbh, these places are as small as Wagga Wagga, Port Macquarie, Launceston, Darwin.

What is needed from the NRL are some rules clearly stating what they want from a bid: Stadium, Population, Corporates, Leagues club, et cetera. If we are happy with a 60k city with a side, fine, give CQ a go.

If you can include Bundaberg as part of Central Queensland! then you can throw in 455,000 plus on the North Shore of Sydney for the CC 'feed'

 

[mightybears]

Anyway, to me-population aside so to speak, a Christchurch and to a lesser extent the south island as a whole [even if C'Church is 35% the pop of an Adelaide,] is more likely for a RL team to take root/be supported because NZ is more culturally suited to our game. Though i'd be going Wellington anyway.

 

[mightybears]

A classic govt press release/media puff filler story.

Rocky is safe ALP territory, but Schwarten [the local member] is a one of Bligh's key factional 'mates',

No votes will be lost if they actually stump up the money-esp as Central Queenslanders are always having go at the southerners [read Brisbane/SEQ] taking the tax revenue from the CQ mines and not putting enough back for intrastructure.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I agree. Clearly, looking at that data, Perth, a second NZ side, Central Coast, Sunshine Coast/Redcliffe and a south-western Brisbane (Logan/Ipswich) are the priorities. PNG may be viable in future, but there are much more important places to go (sorry jan, its the truth).

Central Qld simply doesn't have the population, although it does have the mining boom, loyal league fans, et cetera.

Adelaide is about to go through a bit of a boom, with new mines opening in SA, 5th battalion shifting to Adelaide and the entire brigade in Darwin moving there soon, the massive naval yard, DSTO, CSIRO and defence industry moving there, but it will be a huge task to get a side into the bogan capital of Australia, so its a long term work in progress.

They're making a massive 'superbase' out Amberley way (Amberley is already the biggest airbase in the country iirc). A West Brisbane team would definitely be able to take advantage of that and all the new industry that'll be heading out there. It won't happen because of Ipswich's QLD Cup team but a team called the West Brisbane Jets with an F-35 as the logo would look pretty decent imo.

Sorry, that was a typo... was thinking about all these god damn coast names mixed them up in my head.

No probs. I assumed that's all it was but wasn't sure since you did it twice.

I do, Red Hill Scabs-the full name

I well know their strength, the one team City, 5 premierships, makes sense that brand wise they are No.1 in many ways, but my 'pathology' is what makes me think that a second Bris-ish SE Qld team will work [besides the obvious pop-demographic growth here]. The residual Bronc dislike was, is, and will be strong in this part of the world. The Crushers sucked, shafted by the News Ltd media, but still drew crowds. The support for the GC Titans, esp on the southside is very strong.

For sure. There are a lot of sports stores on the southside that sell more Titans merch than Broncos, or else it's usually about even between them.

 

[applesauce]

What is needed from the NRL are some rules clearly stating what they want from a bid: Stadium, Population, Corporates, Leagues club, et cetera. If we are happy with a 60k city with a side, fine, give CQ a go.

QLD Government backs the CQ NRL Bid
18 March 2010

Premier Anna Bligh, Member for Rockhampton Robert Schwarten and Sports Minister Phil Reeves have all recently committed their Government to the provision of a Stadium if the CQ NRL Bid team is able to secure a NRL licence for Central Queensland.

The Premier signed the petition several months ago, indicating her initial support and during her most recent visit to open the Yeppoon Hospital last week, she reaffirmed her Government’s commitment to a NRL Stadium. “I support the bid for a CQ NRL licence and I understand that to really make a success of that would require investment in a stadium”, the Premier told the Morning Bulletin’s Adrian Taylor.

She also offered the NRL some advise, albeit, biased towards Central Queensland. “You would have to be mad to grant a licence anywhere other than Central Queensland – the licence shouldn’t go anywhere else” she stated.

Bid Chairman, Geoff Murphy was appreciative of the Premier’s commitment. “The Premier’s supportive comments are on top of similar commitments from our local Member Robert Schwarten, and the Sports Minister Phil Reeves, so the Bid Team and the people of CQ can now be sure that when we prove our sustainability, to the NRL, the Government will invest in a NRL Stadium here in CQ” he said.

The Bid’s CEO Denis Keeffe was pleased to have this major component of the project confirmed. “We know the CQ NRL Team will be a competitive and viable force in the NRL and to have this very large box ticked is a massive boost for the Bid. We now have serious traction and momentum with the Bid” he said.

http://www.cqnrlbid.com.au/2010/03/...s-the-cq-nrl-bid-team-with-stadium-provision/

 

[Goddo]

^ thats old news.

Point out for me the purpose of a 20,000 seat stadium in a town of 67,000? even relying on say a few thousand traveling from other "near by" (100+km) population centres won't be enough. Townsvile has a largish population and relys on out of towners as far as Mt Isa. Cq just won't work yet.

How would CQ improve the value of the game (tv rights advertising and attendences) more than say a Sunshine Coast or Logan side? None of the cities in CQ have a large enough industry either. Townsvile has the port, the Army, sugar industry et cetera. The CQ cities have some industry, but not enough.

Compare this to the catchment areas of most Sydney clubs.

St George - 216,000, Shire - 215,000, Canterbury Bankstown - 300,000, Eastern Suburbs - 230,000 and so on.

Going by population, North Sydney Bears as North Sydney alone (250,000 people, Australia's 5th largest CBD) makes more sense than a central Qld side.

And these clubs have a lot of away fans not far away too. Next Qld side needs to be SE Queensland.

 

[Brutus]

there is 2 words I don't want to see together anywhere, Kevin Rudd & NRL
stay away you merkin, youve f**ked the country enough

Agree

 

[applesauce]

2006 census 15 largest urban centres in Australia.

08-09 figures:
Mackay 83,500
Rockhampton 77,000
Bundaberg 68,000
Gladstone 50,500
Hervey Bay 59,000
Maryborough 26,000

Total = 364,000

If the team is added 2013 this will obviously be higher.

 

[applesauce]

Growth map red is 3%+ of change.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/[email protected]=3218.0&issue=2008-09&num=&view=#PARALINK4

 

[shewi6]

Now THATS a first post.

Can tell you either had a good night or a terrible time in school.[/QUOTE

i can tell u mate it was a good night last night, combine that with a crappy keyboard and that post took 20 min to write lol

 

[Goddo]

08-09 figures:
Mackay 83,500
Rockhampton 77,000
Bundaberg 68,000
Gladstone 50,500
Hervey Bay 59,000
Maryborough 26,000

Total = 364,000

If the team is added 2013 this will obviously be higher.

Yet growth in other parts of qld has been greater, incl suny coast.
CQ can wait 10-20 years. no need to rush in there for 10k average attendences.

 

[adamkungl]

CQ is a waste of time and money...at least 4 or 5 other places would be better suited

 

[Highway1]

The NRL do have a desire to seal up the east coast. So the CQ bid isnt as far fetched as thought. But id still rather Perth and CC for the moment.

How many teams in total do we want in Qld? 4? 5? The current three, SEQ and CQ and/or Sunshine coast?

I can assure you that the sunshine coast will not get an nrl team because the place is a mess in terms of infrastructure

 

[Highway1]

CQ hasn't got the population or medium level sponsors to sustain a team, and i'd have thought that the base for such a team should be Mackay anyway, good luck to them-but i don't see it.

Growth as it is, the next Qld team will be in SE Qld, whether than be 'based' south/west Brisbane-Logan-ipswich [makes marginally more sense] or 'based' north Brisbane-Redcliffe-Sunny Coast Way is the only kicker.

Years from now both will have a team [in otherwords 4 SE Qld teams Tits, Scabs, Bris West-Logan-Ipswich], Bris North-Sunshine Coast]

The Team will play of out Lang anyway. but-where's the bid?, at least CQ, PNG, the CC, and Perth are talking themselves up.

Thers already a team based Brisbane north side team, its called the Brisbane Broncos who are based in based in Red Hill, which incidentally is a western suburb of Brisbane. A Redcliffe (in combination with caboolture and pine rivers council area) side (though very unlikely due to its close ties with the Broncos) is possible, but its will struggle big time even though it has 356, 709 people due being so close to broncos territory.

The part of of brisbane that really needs a team, I think is Brisbane southside in combination with Ipswich and Logan.

 

[Highway1]

I do, Red Hill Scabs-the full name

I well know their strength, the one team City, 5 premierships, makes sense that brand wise they are No.1 in many ways, but my 'pathology' is what makes me think that a second Bris-ish SE Qld team will work [besides the obvious pop-demographic growth here]. The residual Bronc dislike was, is, and will be strong in this part of the world. The Crushers sucked, shafted by the News Ltd media, but still drew crowds. The support for the GC Titans, esp on the southside is very strong.

Talk about it, When i to shops located on the southside, I notice a patten of seeing more and more people wearing titans jersey's. Its almost like as if the titans are a Brisbane Southside team

 

[bobmar28]

Rockhampton is 700kms away from Townsville, how do you propose we make the cowboys a stronger team? Rocky is probably more Broncos than it is Cowboys.

I live in CQ and think it has no chance this time around and Perth and CC should be accepted before us.

Are you saying NSW should get an 11th team ahead of a 4th team for QLD?
CC should only get a team if a Sydney team relocates imo.

 

[Brutus]

The next team from QLD MUST play out of Suncorp Stadium.

Gallop should just tell the CQ bid team to stop wasting their time.

 

[bobmar28]

there is 2 words I don't want to see together anywhere, Kevin Rudd & NRL
stay away you merkin, youve f**ked the country enough

Take your politics somewhere else. If Kevin Rudd wants to be a league fan that's fine by me.

 

[bobmar28]

2006 census 15 largest urban centres in Australia, with Auckland, Christchurch and Wellington shown for comparison.

Italic and underlined are centres with an NRL side. (Included Cairns because of ties to Cowboys). Bold are places of interest. afl marked places with (or getting) an AweFuL side, aleague for those with an a League team, and s15 for super dooper rugby.

Sydney - 3,641,422 - nrl - afl - aleague - s15
Melbourne - 3,371,888 - nrl - afl - aleague - s15
Brisbane - 1,676,389 - nrl - afl - aleague - s15
Auckland 1,333,300 - nrl - s15
Perth - 1,256,035 - afl - aleague - s15
Adelaide - 1,040,719 - afl - aleague
Gold Coast - 454,436 - nrl - afl - aleague
Wellington - 386,000 - aleague - s15
Canberra - 356,120 - nrl - s15
Christchurch - 386,000 - s15
Newcastle - 288,732 - nrl - aleague
Central Coast - 282,726 - aleague
Wollongong - 234,482 - nrl
Sunshine Coast - 184,662
Geelong - 137,220 - afl
Townsville - 128,808 - nrl - aleague
Hobart - 128,557
Cairns - 98,349 - nrl (cowboys)

- where Central Qld cities fit in

22. Rockingham - 67,520
23. Mackay - 66,874
26. Rockhampton - 60,827
28. Bunderberg - 46,961

Tbh, these places are as small as Wagga Wagga, Port Macquarie, Launceston, Darwin.

What is needed from the NRL are some rules clearly stating what they want from a bid: Stadium, Population, Corporates, Leagues club, et cetera. If we are happy with a 60k city with a side, fine, give CQ a go.

You might want to update your stats. Sydney reached 4 million in 1999. Now estimated to be 4.5 million (smh march 31 2010).