Why little mention of the CQ NRL bid?

[Highway1]

IMO it's just too early for them. They should be aiming for the tv deal after this upcoming one if they want a chance (so, around 2020). The population just isn't there, there's no stadium (the government will only build it if they get the license, not before. However the NRL only wants bids that already have a stadium) and it won't add much value to the comp. Not to mention that there's a chance it could destabilise North QLD.

Sure they might bring in big $$ from the mining companies but I'd much prefer they got behind the Cowboys and made them stronger.



It's awesome that they have really passionate people behind the bid but I'd much prefer the inevitable fourth QLD team to be in SEQ/Brisbane.

With population, Townsville had more people in the early 90's than Rockhamton has now (even with a bigger regional council compared to a smaller city council Townsville has) and according to the Department of Infrastructure and planning forecasts, it looks like that Rockhampton Regional Council won't catch up to to the population Townsville City has now, for at least 30 years and thats with a high projection.
In saying that The Central QLD bid might not have to wait too long (and be so reliant on Rockhampton) if Gladstone thrives and prospers through a natural resources boom.

I don't think the Cowboys would suffer too much form the Central QLD bid, because I dont think its like that the cowboys would lose mackay to Central QLD or any company suddenly shifting support to central QLD considering that the cowboys have huge support and an attractive sponsorship package anyway.

 

[Highway1]

Perth then a seq or another NZ team befor CC. the nsw market is saturated

I wish they told Cronulla that.

 

[Highway1]

It's a pipe dream, along with PNG.

Its starting to become one

 

[Highway1]

I just don't see how Rocky can sustain a team, it's a small town, let's not kid ourselves.

Excluding Mackay, no other regional council in the CQ area has 100000 people or more. Unlike NQ which has two cities with 150000 people or more.

 

[Highway1]

They did for the Gold Coast Lifesavers in the afl.

only because the election affected their thought process and because the AFL ceo had a great imagination and bullsh*t skills

 

[Highway1]

The population of the greater Rockhampton district is only around 100K. They would need to attract fans from far and wide to being even close to sustainable imo. Pop growth in that region is also fairly static.

SEQ however has a large pop which is tipped to boom. Surely if another Q'land team was coming in it would represent that region of the State?
http://www.dip.qld.gov.au/seq

Population for rockhamton regional council is static, It'll take 30 years for Rockhampton to have the same number of people that townsville has now.
But watch out for Gladstone and its liquefied Gas boom, it might provide the population boost that Central QLD needs.

 

[Highway1]

Outside of a very short 2 minute clip on the news months ago, I haven't heard or seen of this bid. And living in Queensland where everyone talks up anything Queensland beyond a normal person's comprehension, it just doesn't get a mention. I've heard more from Perth + Norths naturally, with the next most being the pipe dream the "independent commission" has of a 2nd team in Brisbane.

Personally, I think CQ has very little chance of success. There just isn't the population or the facilities to support an NRL team.

You might hear it from the ABC Capricornia or rockhampton Bulletin but thats pretty much it.

 

[Highway1]

Sorry for all these posts guys, I was just bored

 

[Fein]

Excluding Mackay, no other regional council in the CQ area has 100000 people or more. Unlike NQ which has two cities with 150000 people or more.

Would the Wide Bay area be classified as CQ?

 

[Highway1]

Would the Wide Bay area be classified as CQ?

The Bundaberg/Northern part of Wide Bay yes, but the Maryborough, Hervey Bay and gympie/Southern part of Wide Bay no

 

[Loudstrat]

Makes you wonder how much the NRL actually know about the bids. Until two weeks ago Gallop kept lumping us as the same chance as Adelaide!

Also of the 4 bids they are a clear 3rd. Pop size, desire for the next Q'land team to share Suncorp and be Brisbane2 and stadium facilities are all big hurdles for them. Like CC you kind of get the feeling that the NRL is hoping a Sydney team might be forced to relocate there in the next couple of decades so they will keep it open as long as possible.

CQ playing at Suncorp? That's like Newcastle playing at Olympic Park ffs!

IMO it's just too early for them. They should be aiming for the tv deal after this upcoming one if they want a chance (so, around 2020). The population just isn't there, there's no stadium (the government will only build it if they get the license, not before. However the NRL only wants bids that already have a stadium) and it won't add much value to the comp. Not to mention that there's a chance it could destabilise North QLD.

Sure they might bring in big $$ from the mining companies but I'd much prefer they got behind the Cowboys and made them stronger.



It's awesome that they have really passionate people behind the bid but I'd much prefer the inevitable fourth QLD team to be in SEQ/Brisbane.

100% agree

If you can include Bundaberg as part of Central Queensland! then you can throw in 455,000 plus on the North Shore of Sydney for the CC 'feed'

Except Chatswood isn't 500kms from Gosford...

Are you saying NSW should get an 11th team ahead of a 4th team for QLD?
CC should only get a team if a Sydney team relocates imo.

When will you realise that it's about where the PEOPLE are, not some dot on your geniused map ffs.

So you would be happy for the Dogs to be punted for a team from Birdsville?

You are a prize twat.

 

[Fein]

The Bundaberg/Northern part of Wide Bay yes, but the Maryborough, Hervey Bay and gympie/Southern part of Wide Bay no

There'd have to be 100,000 in the Bundy/Northern area wouldn't there?

 

[parano1a]

As if Central Queensland could support a professional sporting team, that would be like the AFL basing a new team in Broome... ridiculous fantasy.

Locations for new NRL teams need to be in larger population centres:

- Perth
- Adelaide
- Central Coast
- Brisbane/Ipswich/Sunshine Coast
- Melbourne/Geelong/Cranbourne
- Wellington
- Christchurch

 

[Fein]

As if Central Queensland could support a professional sporting team, that would be like the AFL basing a new team in Broome... ridiculous fantasy.

Locations for new NRL teams need to be in larger population centres:

- Perth
- Adelaide
- Central Coast
- Brisbane/Ipswich/Sunshine Coast
- Melbourne/Geelong/Cranbourne
- Wellington
- Christchurch

I agree.

I'd rank your (slightly modified) selections in the following order;

- Perth (3)
- Adelaide (5)
- Central Coast (1)
- Brisbane/Ipswich/Sunshine Coast (2)
- Melbourne/Geelong/Cranbourne (6)
- Wellington/Christchurch (4)

 

[siv]

You are also forgeting two factors that will also come into play

1 - TV Coverage - this is where Perth has the advantage

2 - The fight that is going verses AFL - Bears are needed to combat the growth of AFL in Sydney

One of the major problems that RL has is that there is a desire to field many teams everywhere as it is very sstrong nationally

- CC Bears
- N Brisbane
- SW Brisbane
- C Qld
- Perth
- Wellington NZ
- Adelaide
- Port Moresby

Thats 8 more teams on top of the current 16 - no way

The Salary Cap has also created a structure that allows teams to survive even if they have a poor financial structure and playing poorly

Relocation has all but been killed off and so have mergers

So clubs won't die as we saw with Newtown - even though Newcastle / Canberra / Cronulla are struggling financially

So I feel the only way to address this is to have team adopt regions and play games in that region, and a trial - rather than trying to take games to Gosford. Clubs would then also have to have a # of junior teams (eg 200) in their criteria, thus forcing relationships with regional areas

Easts - C Qld (5 home games)
Cronulla - Adelaide (5 home games)
Manly - Sunshine Coast (3 games)
CC Bears - NSO (3 games)
Newcastle - Tamworth / Port Macquarie
Parramatta - Darwin (2 games)
N Qld - Cairns / Mt Isa
Canberra - Wagga / Albury
Souths - Coffs (2 games)
Penrith - Dubbo (2 games)
Brisbane - Toowomba
Gold Coast - Lismore
Melbourne - Hobart / Launceston

 

[clarency]

From what I hear Canberra aren't in a terrible position financially.

Putting a team in Perth also combats AFL.... considering you have this:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sp...-sound-out-royals-about-being-third-afl-club/

If teams refuse to relocate it doesn't mean expansion into new areas shouldn't happen... we should still get teams into Adelaide, Darwin, etc. It will just require a conference system (I doubt relegation will work).

 

[Highway1]

There'd have to be 100,000 in the Bundy/Northern area wouldn't there?

Bundaberg Regional council (86,364) + North Burnett Regional Council with Gayndah as council seat (10,646) = 97, 010. Close but no cigar

 

[Highway1]

I rank the Central Coast Bears highly beacuase not only are the nrl adding the central coast to its base but its also a return to the sorely missed north shore of sydney (population of about 700,000) market.

 

[Highway1]

From what I hear Canberra aren't in a terrible position financially.

Putting a team in Perth also combats AFL.... considering you have this:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sp...-sound-out-royals-about-being-third-afl-club/

If teams refuse to relocate it doesn't mean expansion into new areas shouldn't happen... we should still get teams into Adelaide, Darwin, etc. It will just require a conference system (I doubt relegation will work).

I doubt the conference system will work too, thats will just create a two tiered competition, in which there is one for sydney and one for the rest, totally unfair.

 

[clarency]

That depends upon how the conferences are organised. And there's no reason that they can't be reorganised yearly to make each group even.

But this is a long way in the future.