CEOs: Let's change jersey numbers

[Danish]

How would it be impossible to understand??

New fan: Why is that bloke number 44
Old fan: He picked it when he joined the club
new fan: Cool

Or, if they are curious...

new fan: Why'd he pick 44?
old fan: Its the age his dad was when he died / its the number of his favourite player / its his lucky number
new fan: thats nice

Wheres the difficulty in that exactly?

 

[magpie_man]

let's change the jerseys so that they don't look like mobile billboards.

 

[hunters]

I think people are blowing up because they were supposed to be fixing one of the biggest issues in our game. And instead clearly didn't have the ability to handle their task so picked a completely unnecessary issue to deal with.

Absolute clowns.

Seriously, these blokes have been thinking about the salary cap for years not just reacting to recent issues. I'm sure most of them have already concluded that some / most clubs can't afford to spend more than the current level so any talk of discounts for juniors etc is irrelevant until everyone has a bigger pie to share.

Why not then move on to other issues? (as much as I dislike the idea of any ol' number on the back)

 

[hunters]

let's change the jerseys so that they don't look like mobile billboards.

I think they call it sponsorship. Do you also propose to cut the cap to $3M to accommodate this?

 

[Big-Steve]

How would it be impossible to understand??

New fan: Why is that bloke number 44
Old fan: He picked it when he joined the club
new fan: Cool

Or, if they are curious...

new fan: Why'd he pick 44?
old fan: Its the age his dad was when he died / its the number of his favourite player / its his lucky number
new fan: thats nice

Wheres the difficulty in that exactly?

I'm talking about understanding how the sport is played not why they are wearing a number.

The current system is linked to player position/role so aids in understanding. Individual numbers would take that out of our game altogether.

I think we underestimate the advantage of this.

Incidentally whos gonna wear number 96?

 

[griff]

let's change the jerseys so that they don't look like mobile billboards.

Agreed, most jerseys look sh*t.

They need to cut back on how much crap they can plaster all over them and rules to blend in the sponsor with the jersey more.

Before people say this will cost money, first law of marketing is more clutter, less $$$. Instead of 5 sponsors paying $3m, we should have 2 sponsors paying $4m. Then we'd get better quality sponsors. Pepsi instead of Quantum Hot Water for example.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

Cannot disagree with that idea, would be great for marketing. There's no real negative for this kind of idea unless you're a nitpicker.

Who could possibly disagree with this? I'm with you. You'd swear most people were grumpy old men who can't hack progress and change.

Get over it, its a bloody number. And its cumbersome.

AND I think that at a time where the major reason stated for not making immediate and effective changes to the cap is LACK OF MONEY its strange that most people are getting angry about something that will generate more money!?

What are you people on??? How can such a thing be IRRELEVANT to the major issue at hand. My message: the club ceo's are not the dickheads.

no no no no no

this was dumb in SL and would be dumb again now

Wrong wrong wrong. Its not the dumb thing here, pal.

so let me get this right....they have a meeting about the salary cap....and start talking about squad numbers??


i guess they did'nt want to talk about that effing massive elephant in the room??

The word I got from credible sources was that it was a meeting between gallop and the ceo's. Now, when YOU go to talk to your friends, do you stick to the main topic or do you venture off into others.

The salary cap thing is a no brainer anyway. What I heard on the radio tonight was that the ceos are looking into it and reporting back in two weeks about the cap, specifically providing suggestions.

So post your suggestions on this forum - keep them coming. These guys should leave no stone unturned.

The prob with the cap is that it does not allow us to compete with other sports, since we are in the bizarre position of developing players who can play (it would seem on the face of it) any one of 3 codes - but not only that - in about 10 different countries around the world. There are probably no other sports out there who can boast this pot of golden curses.

i brought this up (again) only a couple of weeks ago.

the game needs to explore every new opportunity and viable revenue stream, although, it isnt really a new concept. this has been tapped by just about every professional comp in the world. Wasnt that long ago that soccer teams even submitted team sheets with players numbered 1-11.

The financial benefits for adopting it outweigh the status quo.

but its alarming that a forum to discuss the salary cap brought about no new initiatives for player payments. they probably spent 5 mins on the topic..............all there for the catered lunch i assume.

I'm with you. But I think everyone on here (tragics that we are) had some high expectations from this meeting. Wait for the suggestion list in two weeks. Though I share your sentiments, lets hope we have something substantial on the main issue at hand.

Ok, clubs can't afford a rise in the cap.

BUT

why not discuss the merits of changes to the system by which we pay players with an eye towards the next TV deal?

They create these commitees but they do nothing.

I remember these guys having a sumit and the main thing to come out of that was an independant commission. Its happening. But the game is hit and miss and that will change in short order.

What a bunch of absolute dickheads. I don't think that they could get any worse even if they were on the AFL payroll.

You are not grasping the full breadth of whats happening, surely. See my first reponse to a quote at the top.

I agree with the jersey thing. The new jerseys could have player names and numbers on them, and they stay the same the whole time.

If a problem is that the game and clubs have no money, there's no way you could say that it wouldn't help. Fans would encouraged to buy new jerseys when they get new favourite players etc.

I hope they put the names back on them. I want to be able to identify players on sight, when I dont know their number. Its great watching EU football on tv and seeing player names. Really likens you to the player more.

Yeah its all to do with marketing, Yeah i bet 23 would be the most popular for sure.

No wonder it took these dipsh#ts 5 years to bust the Storm, have a meeting on salary cap and talk about changing numbers on playing jerseys FFS.

See my initial standard reply at top. You're being a bit harsh there.

yeah already happened with surprise surprise Warne ,then surprise surprise micheal clarke . It's pathetic. Hayne would be the type to be all over number 23 .

I agree.

Then maybe do something similar to what the NFL do have a certain set of numbers (say 50-59 and 90-99) as prop forward numbers, numbers 1-19 as halve numbers etc, etc.

Good idea.

I hate watching super league and seeing blokes wearing ridiculous numbers that in no way shape or form correlate to their position. At least, unless there's an injury, if a bloke wears 1 in the NRL I can assume he's playing fullback.

You'll adjust.

you people wanting this this number $hit obviously don't remember super league.......... it was $hit then and it will be $hit now.

Ok then. Can't please everybody.

They did this in Super League. It looked crap. Im not in favour at all.

Ok.

When EPL switched to a squad number system from the 1-11 system, merchandise sales went through the roof. As mentioned, it allows you to put player names on the back of shirts as well. So it's a good idea.

What the Super League system was was a basketball style pick your own number system. This is crap. We should adopt the squad number system, which is used in the English Super League. That is, you have a squad of 25, at the start of the year you allocate numbers out to the 25 players, 1-25. Your first choice fullback gets number 1, and so on. People outside the top 25 get the next available number (26, 27 etc).

This squad number system also used to be used on Kangaroo Tours. So it definitely has a history in RL.

This is not in the spirit of what was discussed. Interesting proposal, but its another layer of complexity that is not needed. A kangaroo tour does not last a long time. We would be dealing with many clubs and many seasons, year after year.

Jesus. These numbskulls should have no say in the game. Get an independent commission and put someone in charge to tell these morons how everything will be done... clearly they have strange priorities and vested interests.

I'm proud that league numbers correlate with their position. These morons see a tiny opportunity to make a buck (I don't think it would make much difference to sale's really) and trade away a simple yet elegant tradition WHICH SERVES A PURPOSE!

I do not think that its a cherished tradition. Its time to leave it behind. It has some limited advantages, but its old hat.

I can't believe how much some people are freaking out over this. It's numbers on the back of a shirt, who cares?

They over react a bit, hey. They need a life and a perspective. You cant please everyone at all points; but this over reaction is for no reason. They are numbers. Big deal. The biggest crime on jerseys here is the lack of player names.

 

[beave]

where's my ignore button..........

 

[magpie_man]

Agreed, most jerseys look sh*t.

They need to cut back on how much crap they can plaster all over them and rules to blend in the sponsor with the jersey more.

Before people say this will cost money, first law of marketing is more clutter, less $$$. Instead of 5 sponsors paying $3m, we should have 2 sponsors paying $4m. Then we'd get better quality sponsors. Pepsi instead of Quantum Hot Water for example.

exactly. they just look tacky atm.

 

[cornerposter]

That's what happens even without the player name/numbers on the jerseys in the NRL. Teams change sponsors and designs pretty much every year, your jersey is outdated as soon as the season ends.

Not the same problem. Older team jerseys still support the team and almost become more valuable the older they get. I used to love wearing my '88 jersey to games until I had to retire it a couple of years ago

If we are only doing this to make the jersey 'marketable' it could work if you printed the name down one side of the jersey in front of the arm.

The only other place would be in front under the sponsors logo. But down the side seems better to me - for some reason - not sure why?

Unless your surname is Civoniceva

Personally, I not a fan of the personalised numbers. Given the way the salary cap forces team changes, we'll be in triple digits before too long.

 

[Jatz Crackers]

Incidentally whos gonna wear number 96?

Eve will do it.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

where's my ignore button..........

Get over it, its a bloody number. And its cumbersome.

AND I think that at a time where the major reason stated for not making immediate and effective changes to the cap is LACK OF MONEY its strange that most people are getting angry about something that will generate more money!?

HIT ignore, goofball. You need a perspective. You cant please everyone at all points; but this over reaction is for no reason. They are numbers. Big deal. The biggest crime on jerseys here is the lack of player names.

I do not think that its a cherished tradition. Its time to leave it behind. It has some limited advantages, but its old hat.

1-13, how rigid is that? Its so inflexible as to be a hinderance.

Hit ignore, you ignorant fool. Your looks are only matched by your limited intelligence. Reel at this, cringe, I can't wait to see the look on your face when you try and work out numbers beyond 17, and your disabled intellect is taxed.


oh my

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[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

Big massive gigantic waste of the meeting, however I can see the merit of it.

Chicago Bulls 23.

Not that I think anyone in the NRL can match the calibre, but you get the drift.

My favorite jersey was 33 Charlotte Hornets. I was at least half his size, but Alonzo Mourning was the sh*t. Anything with 33 on it was awesome (even parking tickets, not that I was old enough to drive).

This is the kind of lemming the ceos are chasing. This guy will be lining up to buy a 33! Great!

Good on ya, pal

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

I've got roughly 9 basketball jerseys that I've accumulated over the years. They probably cost maybe 7-900 dollars all up. Of those, only one represents a player on the team I actually support. The rest are just players from other teams I like. That is the advantage of this sort of idea. If the backs of those basketball jerseys were blank, I would own 1 jersey and that would be the one representing the team I support because it'd make no sense to buy one for an opposition team.

I understand this isn't some huge pressing concern and it seems odd that this came out of a CEO gathering, but there are merits to the idea. A lot of things didn't work in Super League, that is hardly a valid excuse to use in this case.

Or they could use a squad number system like in soccer. Players are assigned numbers based on their position but no matter where they move during the season position wise they stick with that number. I guess it's the same sort of thing but keeps the traditional position/number concept going.

Sense amongst all the trash.

You others might as well f off.

Support NRL players and their egos. Support their pay packets. If you want 1-17, suck a lemon.

Such confliction. So you want an average game, or do you want a great game? You gotta support it on levels you tools dont know exist. And that may mean extra sacrifice in the form of money, and your time.

I made a post once about rl acending to levels it did not even know about. This is the kind of transcendence I was on about.

Hit ignore, you goofballs. Assign your minds and rl to the minnows basket. Right next to your limp dicks.

I think we're a little more tribal than that. I'm a Broncs supporter but JT's my favourite player. I still couldn't see myself wearing a Cowboys shirt, simply because it has JT's number on it.

You're simply not in the mindset yet. And maybe your kids would.

 

[beave]

Get over it, its a bloody number. And its cumbersome.

AND I think that at a time where the major reason stated for not making immediate and effective changes to the cap is LACK OF MONEY its strange that most people are getting angry about something that will generate more money!?

HIT ignore, goofball. You need a perspective. You cant please everyone at all points; but this over reaction is for no reason. They are numbers. Big deal. The biggest crime on jerseys here is the lack of player names.

I do not think that its a cherished tradition. Its time to leave it behind. It has some limited advantages, but its old hat.

1-13, how rigid is that? Its so inflexible as to be a hinderance.

Hit ignore, you ignorant fool. Your looks are only matched by your limited intelligence. Reel at this, cringe, I can't wait to see the look on your face when you try and work out numbers beyond 17, and your disabled intellect is taxed.


oh my

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I think it's hilarious you are claiming that everyone is over reacting and then you post this......... take a chill pill champ.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

I think it's hilarious you are claiming that everyone is over reacting and then you post this......... take a chill pill champ.

Not and over reaction. A measured response, and accurately told for one such as yourself. You focussed on that part a bit hey. You should read the "they are just numbers" bit.

Its an important paradim shift - of which the full benefits cannot be felt right now. There you go. Focus on that.

You say hilarious, but you felt shame. Probably, who cares... Just going to cut you short there, mate. Here's another quote.

I bought a New York Jets jersey with Jones #20 on it.

Brand new home jersey

Off season happens and Mr Jones is traded to the Kansas City Chiefs and LaDanian Tomlinson rolls into New York

So my brand new jersey is now out of date

I either walk around with a jersey with a players name on that plays for an opposition team or I stump up for a new jersey

Or I change my name by deed poll to Jones and pretend I meant to do that.

If players play for a club for life, what better way to show your support for your favourite player. But most dont and next season you'll be wearing the jersey of someone who plays for the opposition. In a small league like ours, that's more likely than the NFL where players get traded to teams you face once every 16 years. So why risk the purchase?

I would rather the clubs released jerseys WE ACTUALLY WANT TO WEAR, rather than the garbage we get served up. That would drastically increase jersey sales. We dont buy jerseys for a player, we buy them for a team. If that jersey is crap, we wont buy it.

You only have to read the jersey & colours thread to know that.


Oh and comparing the NRL to NFL and Premier League :lol: Manchester United are a clothing company with a sporting team attached to it. Look at the range of stuff you can buy from that team and they have a fan base of 7,000,000 people in the UK alone and 300,000,000 in China probably. So of course 1% of people buying still means sh*t loads of sales.

A team with 80,000 fans means each one has to sell each person about 20 jerseys to get on par. Economies of scale gentlemen.

Make the right jerseys and listen to what people ACTUALLY WANT and you'll sell a truck load. Just look at the Dogs and their hooped traditional jerseys and how many of those sold. That's what people want.

Not an exact replica of a 30 year old jersey, but a modern, close approximation of that old jersey. Without making it look like some shiny advertising hoarding.

It is scale, and our returns will be so accordingly. You are not happy with things, so be it. Maybe they will modernize more jerseys next.

There are two broad groups, traditionalists, and progressionalists.

I think tho to you have underestimated the change this may bring.

 

[Lockyer4President!]

I think we're a little more tribal than that. I'm a Broncs supporter but JT's my favourite player. I still couldn't see myself wearing a Cowboys shirt, simply because it has JT's number on it.

I've done it for NRL and NFL players I like.

 

[BLKOUT!]

Not the same problem. Older team jerseys still support the team and almost become more valuable the older they get. I used to love wearing my '88 jersey to games until I had to retire it a couple of years ago

Well, on the other side of the coin, NRL players can't be traded and really unless their contracts expire there isn't a huge amount of team moving between star players. So if you bought a Hayne jersey, it would still be "current" for another 3 or 4 years or however long he signed for. If you've got a guy like Folau that you know is on his way out, then obviously it'd be dumb to buy the jersey.

 

[Bumble]

It's a fantastic idea. EVERY sport in the world aside from the two Rugby codes does this.

Yes, players move clubs. It happens. Ideally you'll buy a new jersey every 3-5 years anyway. So you get a different one - or you just keep the one you have...I still wear my Nakamura Celtic shirt even though he left last year.

People against this are probably the same bores who want a day grand final...idiots stuck in the 19th century with no idea about what makes money. How many people would buy Cavaliers jerseys if they couldn't rep LeBron? Lakers with Kobe? Liverpool with Gerrard/Torres? Real with C-Ron? It's just good business.

 

[Bumble]

Well, on the other side of the coin, NRL players can't be traded and really unless their contracts expire there isn't a huge amount of team moving between star players. So if you bought a Hayne jersey, it would still be "current" for another 3 or 4 years or however long he signed for. If you've got a guy like Folau that you know is on his way out, then obviously it'd be dumb to buy the jersey.

there's also this obvious fact that most of you overlooked. Players aren't released from contracts as flippantly as they are in European football or the NFL.