Dont ever takeyour international jersey for granted!!!

[RedVee]

I think the gist is they will push the angle that he was just a young kid when he made the decision etc etc

 

[deluded pom?]

I think the gist is they will push the angle that he was just a young kid when he made the decision etc etc

Not having a dig here RV but as nad pointed out he played for Fiji last year. He hasn't matured so much that he's now mulling over his international future has he? I reckon someone has been in his ear. As TEZZA pointed out SoO is for the ARL to bring through Aussie players. Uate isn't Australian (unless he's taken out Aussie citizenship that I'm not aware of) and has played for another nation only last year. There are no grounds for the RLIF to agree to his plea. I can't think why the ARL are even entertaining it. Are NSW really so bad that they need to persuade other nation's players to play for them? Can you hear the bottom of a barrel being scraped?

 

[islandstyle]

it would help if fiji had a few more meaningful games to play each year as well, mid and post nrl season!

Spot on.

How are we supposed to grow RL internationally if we keep encouraging polynesians to defect to Origin/Australia? One solution would be to have more meaningful matches for the likes of Fiji, Samoa, Tonga etc. Maybe bring in some sort of combined pacific nations to play against australia/nz/england?

I understand origin is the pinnacle of the game but I certainly would rather wear my countries jersey and play for the pride of my nation.

 

[deluded pom?]

England had the chance to play Fiji or Tonga as a warm up for the 4N but they blew it and are now playing the Maori whilst Fiji and Tonga play each other. Australia could also have played Fiji or Tonga but they look like they are playing no one pre 4N.

 

[roopy]

In three years he will be the biggest drawcard in the game and will be going to Union for a big contract because League has sh*t on him if he isn't allowed to earn decent money.
No League club will be able to pay him what he could earn in Union - if he isn't getting rep money - goodbye.

 

[deluded pom?]

In three years he will be the biggest drawcard in the game and will be going to Union for a big contract because League has sh*t on him if he isn't allowed to earn decent money.
No League club will be able to pay him what he could earn in Union - if he isn't getting rep money - goodbye.

We either want a decent international game or we don't. Just because Uate is Fijian then that's just fate. George Best was one of the greatest footballers who have ever played the game but fate decreed that he was born in Northern Ireland and he never got to play in a WC. Hard luck for George but that's the hand he was dealt. I don't ever recall him suddenly wanting to be English so he could play at a WC. Players who have played Test matches for England, Australia and NZ have gone to union. If he goes he goes. Best of luck to him but why should the game compromise itself because a Fijian wants to earn some decent money? All I can say is Newcastle must be paying him peanuts.

 

[VonVolks]

this argument is all swings and roundabouts and partly down to player choice.

As someone said. If the money is in SOO, then players will want to play it.
Other players may feel overwhelming family ties etc and want to play for a minor nation regardless of money.

Some may switch codes for internationals, or money or a challenge. Others might not.

Even football, which people so regularly hold up as the epitome of international rules is spattered with mercs.. how many "Brazilians" play for other countries, and so on..... Lets face it at this South Africa world cup, there were 2 brothers playing, but for DIFFERENT teams!

 

[nadera78]

Even football, which people so regularly hold up as the epitome of international rules is spattered with mercs.. how many "Brazilians" play for other countries, and so on..... Lets face it at this South Africa world cup, there were 2 brothers playing, but for DIFFERENT teams!

Yes, but none of them have played for more than one country. And that's the point.

 

[islandstyle]

The media can't get enough of him at the moment.

Does anyone here actually think he could handle Origin well? I know his attack is the best in the league atm when's on song but he can get caught up in defence from time to time and add to that playing in the biggest arena of the game, making a few mistakes could go a long way in crushing his confidence. Take the case of McManus for example :?

 

[Coastbloke]

We either want a decent international game or we don't. Just because Uate is Fijian then that's just fate. George Best was one of the greatest footballers who have ever played the game but fate decreed that he was born in Northern Ireland and he never got to play in a WC. Hard luck for George but that's the hand he was dealt. I don't ever recall him suddenly wanting to be English so he could play at a WC. Players who have played Test matches for England, Australia and NZ have gone to union. If he goes he goes. Best of luck to him but why should the game compromise itself because a Fijian wants to earn some decent money? All I can say is Newcastle must be paying him peanuts.

Well said, DP..

 

[welshmagpie]

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...g-to-be-a-flying-kangaroo-20100807-11pez.html

If his parents are anything to go by, the bati managment havent helped themselves along he way

 

[RedVee]

Not having a dig here RV but as nad pointed out he played for Fiji last year. He hasn't matured so much that he's now mulling over his international future has he? I reckon someone has been in his ear. As TEZZA pointed out SoO is for the ARL to bring through Aussie players. Uate isn't Australian (unless he's taken out Aussie citizenship that I'm not aware of) and has played for another nation only last year. There are no grounds for the RLIF to agree to his plea. I can't think why the ARL are even entertaining it. Are NSW really so bad that they need to persuade other nation's players to play for them? Can you hear the bottom of a barrel being scraped?

No worries DP - I should have made it clearer that I was trying to indicate what the feeling of the interview I read was like.

Bottom of the barrel? No not really, he wouldn't be an automatic selection. He wouldn't be odds on to be picked ahead of BMorris, Hayne, or perhaps Darius Boyd for a Kangaroo wing spot - more chance for NSW obviously, but Mick Gordon has the goal kicking on his side, Jennings could be a winger depending on whether Lyons is in the centres next year. So, he could be in but just as likely not.

http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...g-to-be-a-flying-kangaroo-20100807-11pez.html

If his parents are anything to go by, the bati managment havent helped themselves along he way

It seems his father is keen for him to switch.
Also, according to the story he is a Junior Kangaroo - which means he (most likely) is a real migrant rather than a 'football' migrant.

If we forget the Fiji sojourn for a moment - what are the rules for those that migrate as children?
What about for blokes like Fien - he got in as a 3year resident, what happens now that he has moved back to Aust?
Does anyone know the rules? I'm including the ARL, NZRL, RLIF etc here!

With the Fiji thing, I believe that he should now be a Fijian player and further, I was excited by the play that the Fijian team put on in the RLWC. Now what, we let them dissolve over the years between RLWCs?

It ssems to me that the 'powers that be' regard the RLWC as outside the rules of qualification and that you can just opt in to a heritage country for that period with no ongoing ramifications or obligations.
If that is so, they should at least tell us so we understand that the RLWC is an exhibition or celebration tournament.

 

[deluded pom?]

Bottom of the barrel? No not really, he wouldn't be an automatic selection. He wouldn't be odds on to be picked ahead of BMorris, Hayne, or perhaps Darius Boyd for a Kangaroo wing spot - more chance for NSW obviously, but Mick Gordon has the goal kicking on his side, Jennings could be a winger depending on whether Lyons is in the centres next year. So, he could be in but just as likely not.

If these players are ahead of him then why even entertain the possibility of him getting RLIF clearance?

It ssems to me that the 'powers that be' regard the RLWC as outside the rules of qualification and that you can just opt in to a heritage country for that period with no ongoing ramifications or obligations.
If that is so, they should at least tell us so we understand that the RLWC is an exhibition or celebration tournament.

Agree, then I wouldn't waste my time and money bothering to attend any Mickey Mouse tournament matches.

 

[deluded pom?]

In the SMH article it says that the ARL have Uate pencilled in as a replacement for Folau. Sorry guys but from where I stand the ARL don't give a flying feck for RL outside of their own backyard. Any development they do outside of Australia seems to be with the ulterior motive of bringing players through for the Kangaroos.

 

[stormbati]

Who actually takes care of the world game? I seriously can't see any growth! One world cup every how many years??? And then we never see them again!
Why are players paid big bonuses for representing their countries? That seems to be a big problem.
And if Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, PNG get to play decent games against the bigger nations every year than maybe things will change. Maybe the younger islanders watching tv will strive to play for those nations. All they see is Aus, Nz, Eng, Nsw, Qld.

Have a look at France, in a few years they could be up to Englands level thanks for constant big games every year. What a joke as they're no better than the Island teams.

 

[roughyedspud]

Who actually takes care of the world game?.

chairman - colin love , also chair of the ARL & NSWRL

depty chairman - richard lewis, also CEO of the RFL & RLEF

secretary - david gallop, also CEO of the NRL

and god knows who the NZRL rep on the board is?? is it still ray haffenden??


as you can see from the countries represented on the board that theres little or no incentive for any of them to close the loopholes regarding eligibility issues....why would colin love vote to have a 1 nation for life policy when it could see australia lose out on the likes of uate?

 

[deluded pom?]

Who actually takes care of the world game? I seriously can't see any growth! One world cup every how many years??? And then we never see them again!
Why are players paid big bonuses for representing their countries? That seems to be a big problem.
And if Fiji, Samoa, Tonga, PNG get to play decent games against the bigger nations every year than maybe things will change. Maybe the younger islanders watching tv will strive to play for those nations. All they see is Aus, Nz, Eng, Nsw, Qld.

Have a look at France, in a few years they could be up to Englands level thanks for constant big games every year. What a joke as they're no better than the Island teams.

There IS growth but the vast majority of it is happening in spite of the RLIF rather that because of it. I've still to see any nation other than Fiji directly benefit from the supposed $5M 2008 WC profit. Gee they must be ramping up some interest on that money.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

In the SMH article it says that the ARL have Uate pencilled in as a replacement for Folau. Sorry guys but from where I stand the ARL don't give a flying feck for RL outside of their own backyard. Any development they do outside of Australia seems to be with the ulterior motive of bringing players through for the Kangaroos.

Yes because its only Australia, England wouldnt entertain the idea of selecting a player who barely qualifies.

Take it up with the RLIF, obviously they are run by the people that run the ARL, RFL and NZRL so lobby the smaller nations (like France, Tonga, Fiji, etc etc) to push for an independant board. Im sure that the current admin of the RLIF would be happy to let go of that power and just focus on their local leagues too.

How do we get an independent board to run the RLIF, how do we get the powers that be to relinquish their power?

 

[deluded pom?]

Yes because its only Australia, England wouldnt entertain the idea of selecting a player who barely qualifies.

New Zealand and England are just as bad TEZZA but at least we set up the RLEF ;-)

Take it up with the RLIF, obviously they are run by the people that run the ARL, RFL and NZRL so lobby the smaller nations (like France, Tonga, Fiji, etc etc) to push for an independant board. Im sure that the current admin of the RLIF would be happy to let go of that power and just focus on their local leagues too.

How do we get an independent board to run the RLIF, how do we get the powers that be to relinquish their power?

That's the $64,000 question.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...neville-costigan/story-e6frepbx-1225878635397

A couple of geat quotes from Carr here.

"Neville is lucky he didn't play for PNG in last year's Pacific Cup or he would not be playing Origin," Carr said.

So it's one rule for Costigan but another one for Uate. Is Carr a New South Welshman by any chance?


"The Kumuls qualified for the Four Nations when they won that tournament. The fact Neville is playing Origin means he must be available for Australia. He can't have it both ways. He can come to us at the end of the season seeking an exemption, but we can't have Mickey Mouse rules governing eligibility."


It's you and your cronies making the MIckey Mouse eligibility rules up Geoff. Don't try to hang it on Costigan.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

New Zealand and England are just as bad TEZZA but at least we set up the RLEF ;-)

And so are the other nations, Fiji selecting Jarryd Hayne for the WC should never have happened. Enough with protecting the smaller nations on this matter.

No nation is a fault. They are just selecting the best players that are available for them. This directing all the blame towards the national governing bodies is just crap as they arent the problem, they are the solution how ever.