Mortimer holds Kearney's faith

[ROGUE]

WHat about Steve Witt?

i think selling property in the hunter

 

[Eelementary]

That's what I'd do too.

Hopefully Murray might start looking good and get in the rotation to eventually take Robson's place. Or even more radical, Macguire at 6 and Humble at 7. "Oh he's not a 7" I hear starting to build up in the background. Well that combo couldn't do any worse than the Robson-Morts combo.

Robson is, at best, a back up player, and yes he is a lock trapped in a halves body.
Mortimer though is a cheerleader trapped in a weak kicking, no organising, bad passing 10 year olds body. Actually, I heard Hagrid turned up on his 10th birthday and said "you're a 5/8 Daniel", then they just threw him in there. Maybe they should've sent him to Hogwart's School of 5/8-ary first.
Morts is a back up player as well, well maybe a bench player, IMO he'd be good coming on when the forwards are tired and running out of dummy half.

Have a look at every other team in the comp and imagine if Morts played there, then count how many teams he'd be the starting 6 on. Then you get your answer about whether he really is any good.

Maybe if we had one decent 6 or 7 then Robson or Morts wouldn't look as bad, a good half could carry them. Both of them starting together though, we're stuffed.

Flawed logic, at best.

Civoniceva wouldn't get a starting spot in our team. Billy Slater wouldn't play fullback in our team. Luke Lewis would not necessarily walk right into our starting side ahead of the likes of Hindy, Smith, Horo, Shackleton and Maitua and Web.

I guess they're crap, too, then.

 

[eel01s]

Flawed logic, at best.

Civoniceva wouldn't get a starting spot in our team. Billy Slater wouldn't play fullback in our team. Luke Lewis would not necessarily walk right into our starting side ahead of the likes of Hindy, Smith, Horo, Shackleton and Maitua and Web.

I guess they're crap, too, then.

Mate I like Smith and Horo, but to say that Luke Lewis wouldn't walk into our starting side is unbelievable IMO. Hindy is the only player you listed who would be an automatic selection ahead of Lewis.

 

[The Engineers Room]

Civoniceva would be the first prop picked and if we had Slater and Hayne they would both play in the starting side.

 

[Schiltzenberger]

Flawed logic, at best.

Civoniceva wouldn't get a starting spot in our team. Billy Slater wouldn't play fullback in our team. Luke Lewis would not necessarily walk right into our starting side ahead of the likes of Hindy, Smith, Horo, Shackleton and Maitua and Web.

I guess they're crap, too, then.

Petro and Moi Moi would be our starting props if he was at Parra, so you'd have Poore and/or Mannah in front of Petro? Petro is getting old though, which may limit his minutes and make him a bench player, so it's not a great comparison with a young Morts.

Hayne is more versatile than Slater, so Slater would be fullback while Hayne would have to play 5/8, centre or wing. That's what happened with Inglis, he was a great fullback, but Slater can't really play anywhere else so Inglis went to 5/8 then centre. Another question, where would you have Slater playing if we had him?

And you'd have Horo, Shackleton, Maitua and Webb in front of Lewis. If we had Lewis our back row would be Hindy, Smith and Lewis.

So no, they aren't crap. If anything, it is just that you have rated them too low.

 

[lingard]

Let me guess, if I say I think Mortimer is the more talented as a five-eighth the usual jockeys will come out and say "oh you are an idiot", "oh your opinion counts for nothing", or "I'm right you are wrong"?

:crazy:

:lol: Some people are just too hard to please.

Mate, it`s okay. You`re entitled to your opinion. Truth is, we`re all just pissing in the wind. None of us knows how any of our halves are going to go next year. Only time will tell.
(But you`re still an idiot and your opinion counts for nothing.) ;-)

 

[lingard]

That's what I'd do too.

Hopefully Murray might start looking good and get in the rotation to eventually take Robson's place. Or even more radical, Macguire at 6 and Humble at 7. "Oh he's not a 7" I hear starting to build up in the background. Well that combo couldn't do any worse than the Robson-Morts combo.

Robson is, at best, a back up player, and yes he is a lock trapped in a halves body.
Mortimer though is a cheerleader trapped in a weak kicking, no organising, bad passing 10 year olds body. Actually, I heard Hagrid turned up on his 10th birthday and said "you're a 5/8 Daniel", then they just threw him in there. Maybe they should've sent him to Hogwart's School of 5/8-ary first.
Morts is a back up player as well, well maybe a bench player, IMO he'd be good coming on when the forwards are tired and running out of dummy half.

Have a look at every other team in the comp and imagine if Morts played there, then count how many teams he'd be the starting 6 on. Then you get your answer about whether he really is any good.

Maybe if we had one decent 6 or 7 then Robson or Morts wouldn't look as bad, a good half could carry them. Both of them starting together though, we're stuffed.

Maybe he could come on late in the game when one of the cheer-leaders gets tired? (Sorry, Boxy, just kidding. He`s too short to be a cheerleader.) :lol:

 

[boxhead]

Mate, it`s okay. You`re entitled to your opinion. Truth is, we`re all just pissing in the wind. None of us knows how any of our halves are going to go next year. Only time will tell.
(But you`re still an idiot and your opinion counts for nothing.) ;-)

I was poking some light-hearted fun

 

[The EELiminator]

Civoniceva would be the first prop picked and if we had Slater and Hayne they would both play in the starting side.

we could be the only team in the comp with an interchange fullback

 

[parra pete]

I was poking some light-hearted fun

It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...

 

[The EELiminator]

It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye...

or a dog gets involved....

 

[parra pete]

or a dog gets involved....

:lol:

 

[Suitman]

or a dog gets involved....

:lol:

You wouldn't be laughing if it was an Eels player.

Suity

 

[True EEL]

or a dog gets involved....

now that's comedy ha ha :lol:

 

[Eelementary]

Mate I like Smith and Horo, but to say that Luke Lewis wouldn't walk into our starting side is unbelievable IMO. Hindy is the only player you listed who would be an automatic selection ahead of Lewis.

I disagree. Ben Smith and Justin Horo were unbelievable for a poor side in 2010. Luke Lewis, great as he is, shone for a good side in 2010.

Luke Lewis would make my 17 any day - but I wouldn't start him ahead of Horo or Smith. Call me biased but those two blokes were phenomenal for us.

 

[Eelementary]

Civoniceva would be the first prop picked and if we had Slater and Hayne they would both play in the starting side.

I'd pick Mannah and Moimoi at least ahead of Petero. Poore too, probably. Petero is great but he's 1,000 years old.

 

[Eelementary]

Petro and Moi Moi would be our starting props if he was at Parra, so you'd have Poore and/or Mannah in front of Petro? Petro is getting old though, which may limit his minutes and make him a bench player, so it's not a great comparison with a young Morts.

Hayne is more versatile than Slater, so Slater would be fullback while Hayne would have to play 5/8, centre or wing. That's what happened with Inglis, he was a great fullback, but Slater can't really play anywhere else so Inglis went to 5/8 then centre. Another question, where would you have Slater playing if we had him?

And you'd have Horo, Shackleton, Maitua and Webb in front of Lewis. If we had Lewis our back row would be Hindy, Smith and Lewis.

So no, they aren't crap. If anything, it is just that you have rated them too low.

Maitua easily would become our lock IMO if he's in form. Ben Smith was outstanding in 2010 and offered pretty much what Lewis offered - maybe with less ball-playing ability. But certainly Ben's defense was just as good if not better, and his running game improved outta sight.

Horo can do everything Lewis can IMO. He has great ball skills.

OK, maybe I used bad examples. But the real point behind it was that just because someone starts for another club, it doesn't necessarily mean they would walk right up into our club and start. I doubt Hindy would be a walk-up starter for any other club, but to us he's integral. Someone like Hannant may not make our starting prop rotation because we already have Mannah, Poore and Fui (and Webb, although tbh I see him more as a back-rower), but he is still a top player.

I see your point regarding Mortimer - he probably wouldn't play halfback for any other club, and would probably only make it at 5/8 at a small handful. But that's irrelevant, really - he's our 5/8. He's one of only two viable options.

 

[caylo]

Maitua easily would become our lock IMO if he's in form. Ben Smith was outstanding in 2010 and offered pretty much what Lewis offered - maybe with less ball-playing ability. But certainly Ben's defense was just as good if not better, and his running game improved outta sight.

Horo can do everything Lewis can IMO. He has great ball skills.

OK, maybe I used bad examples. But the real point behind it was that just because someone starts for another club, it doesn't necessarily mean they would walk right up into our club and start. I doubt Hindy would be a walk-up starter for any other club, but to us he's integral. Someone like Hannant may not make our starting prop rotation because we already have Mannah, Poore and Fui (and Webb, although tbh I see him more as a back-rower), but he is still a top player.

I see your point regarding Mortimer - he probably wouldn't play halfback for any other club, and would probably only make it at 5/8 at a small handful. But that's irrelevant, really - he's our 5/8. He's one of only two viable options.

Firstly, hindy would make most starting sides. The Hannat example is much better but again i think he would start ahead of Mannah and Poore. A better example would be Tolman.

Irrespective anyway, your point is valid that just because a player wont make another starting side doesn't make him no good. McKinnon would stuggle to make most starting sides at fullback but he is very good in the #1 jersey but the difference is that there are so many good fullback but we lack good 5-8 in the NRL generally. Mortimer is absymal on list most recent form and probably the worst 5-8 of a generally bad bunch.

You are comparing apples and oranges using Hannat, Lewis and Civ. Mortimer would not make most starting sides in the halves because he lacks important skills that a half in the NRL requires.

Im not here on a anti-mortimer crusade either, i hope the kid improves because he has a big heart and motor and seems very motivated with a great work ethic so if anyone could do it he could. Just atm he struggles with basics and i have my reservations about his ability to make it in the nrl long term.

 

[Eelementary]

Firstly, hindy would make most starting sides. The Hannat example is much better but again i think he would start ahead of Mannah and Poore. A better example would be Tolman.

Irrespective anyway, your point is valid that just because a player wont make another starting side doesn't make him no good. McKinnon would stuggle to make most starting sides at fullback but he is very good in the #1 jersey but the difference is that there are so many good fullback but we lack good 5-8 in the NRL generally. Mortimer is absymal on list most recent form and probably the worst 5-8 of a generally bad bunch.

You are comparing apples and oranges using Hannat, Lewis and Civ. Mortimer would not make most starting sides in the halves because he lacks important skills that a half in the NRL requires.

Im not here on a anti-mortimer crusade either, i hope the kid improves because he has a big heart and motor and seems very motivated with a great work ethic so if anyone could do it he could. Just atm he struggles with basics and i have my reservations about his ability to make it in the nrl long term.

Love Hindy, but I'm not so sure he would walk up and start at the Dragons, Eagles, Warriors, Roosters, Panthers or Titans IMO. They all have very strong back-row depth.

My comparison was meant to illustrate that the idea of saying player X sucks because he wouldn't start for team Y is not necessarily accurate. That's all. Mortimer may well not play 5/8 for any other NRL side, but that in itself does not necessarily mean he sucks.

But I do want to say - I like Mortimer. I agree with people when they say he looks like an average player thus far in his career. But remember - he's very young still. And the great Nathan Hindmarsh was an average lower grades player before bursting onto the scene.

Personally, I refuse to accept that a guy with Mortimer's attitude and work ethic will fail. I can't see it. He works very hard and has a great attitude and I can and will see him succeed tbh.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Luke Lewis would be starting five eight if he were at Parra and he would own the 13 jumper.