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Sam_the_man

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Christ i disspear at the way rugby league shoots it foot off sometimes.....so where are the new clubs likely to end up playing?
 
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pennpool

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Christ i disspear at the way rugby league shoots it foot off sometimes.....so where are the new clubs likely to end up playing?

sam. this is no shot in the foot. its probably a little overdue for a shake up in the states. is a split the way to go? who knows. time will tell.
 

Coastbloke

Bench
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I think this is the split, with other teams to be added to either comp...

AMNRL
Aston Bulls
Bucks County Sharks
Connecticut Wildcats
New York Knights
New York Raiders

USARL
Boston 13s
DC Slayers
Fairfax Eagles
Jacksonville Axemen
New Haven Warriors
Philadelphia Fight
Pittsburgh Vipers

Superbowl......!!:crazy:
 
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Could the USARL and the AMNRL work together? The USARL could be the top level comp while the AMNRL could be the next level down, where AMNRL teams who are better developed join the USARL in future years?
 

Rouge_Operative

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Could the USARL and the AMNRL work together? The USARL could be the top level comp while the AMNRL could be the next level down, where AMNRL teams who are better developed join the USARL in future years?

Nice thought but not sure that will happen. Read some of the twitter pages of the supporters/management of one of the leagues. Not seeing a compromise anytime soon.
 
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Yeah the tweets from the AMNRL side of the divide and the stuff being published on WAR seems to in some cases not only bag off the USARL but pretend it does not exist. The AMNRL seems keen to publicise the fact that three of its clubs have won 11 of the last 13 titles but outside of those three, what other clubs are there? The Raiders? It also claims the west coast and midwest teams will be playing this year in some form and these must therefore be AMNRL aligned. But we'll see.
 

Spitty

Juniors
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To be perfectly frank what Vassy13 twitters is totally unprofessional and he does David Nui and AMNRL no favours. Nui is much more diplomatic, but he just seems to ignore the fact that the USARL exist. But I admire his drive and his focus on the positives.

On a positive note, both sides have official websites under construction. AMNRL has got off their rear end and are starting a new one.

www.usarugbyleague.com
http://www.amnrl.com/

Perhaps this competition's going to bring out the best in both sides.
 

druzik

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Key problem with the New Jersey Knights name... there is an Ice Hockey team named that. It might be an idea to atleast google before coming up with names.

I assume that was also the prob with the Pitt Vipers as there was already a Pitt Vipers (Ice Hockey)

No the vipers was not the issue... it was that they never wanted the vipers name in the first place and it was forced onto them.

They now finally have been able to go by the name they always intended which reflects the steel industry roots of Pittsburgh.
 

druzik

Juniors
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USA Rugby League

January 14th, 2011
By Daniel Andruczyk


So as the saying goes, “Famous last words”. Thus I said these on Monday when wrote that “rumours of a split in the AMNRL have died down”. Well Rugby League in the USA has now officially fractured into two groups. Now this article I will be treading carefully. I will not be giving any opinions either way for two reasons. First that the info here is only from one side , the USARL and I am still waiting to hear from the AMNRL their version of events. Secondly I want to stay impartial and be able to report on both sides as I do with Italy and any other split. Once I have all the info I will then write an opinion piece breaking things down.

Read more...
 

joshreading

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The West does not seem zipped up for either side as well. I saw a comment by Jeff Eberle (Denver Wolverines) saying that this is annoying as it is another issue and they must choose a side. Such obviously implies that they atleast have not committed to either side. In reality the whole of the West needs to make a single decision. That might even mean intentionally operating quite independant of both AMNRL and USARL and keeping their options open by challenging the premiers of BOTH comps.
 

Spitty

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I'm not sure any of the West coast teams could realistically compete in a week-in-week-out domestic comp. The travel is too much of an issue. The feeling I get from the Seattle Force website is that their intention is more toward weekend tournaments and guest matches against AMNRL teams, as well as supporting and trying out for the national team. I would imagine thats the direction most of the west teams will be taking.

So it's a matter of what the USARL can offer them. If the USARL are solely focussed on their week to week domestic comp, then they probably have little to offer the West teams. Whereas the AMNRL with few teams in their comp will probably have to compete in more gala weekends. Especially the flagship teams, New York Knights and Aston Bulls. Plus the AMNRL has for the time being, the Tomahawks.
 

MR KNIGHT

Juniors
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Daniel Wagon will be back playing in the AMNRL. Former State of Origin player with ton of experience and credibility.
 

joshreading

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Hey, it is good Wagon is back. Probably an idea to put it in an AMNRL thread now as this one is clearly the other mob.

Hope both camps go really well this year and some sort of conciliation is reached even if that means separate but complementary competitions (with some healthy rivalry of course).

Back to the USA Rugby League - it would seem apart from the possible defection of Bucks Country Sharks as well (which could be likely considering their links to the Fight) there might be others appearing. Hopefully some new teams.
 

pennpool

Juniors
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I'm not sure any of the West coast teams could realistically compete in a week-in-week-out domestic comp. The travel is too much of an issue. The feeling I get from the Seattle Force website is that their intention is more toward weekend tournaments and guest matches against AMNRL teams, as well as supporting and trying out for the national team. I would imagine thats the direction most of the west teams will be taking.

So it's a matter of what the USARL can offer them. If the USARL are solely focussed on their week to week domestic comp, then they probably have little to offer the West teams. Whereas the AMNRL with few teams in their comp will probably have to compete in more gala weekends. Especially the flagship teams, New York Knights and Aston Bulls. Plus the AMNRL has for the time being, the Tomahawks.

even if the west comp starts up it will have to run as a seperate league anyway. there is no money for these teams to travel cross country every other weekend. so ultimately you are going to end up with 3 leagues if it takes off and its a big if due to the fact that it has been promised for at least 6 years now
 

Rouge_Operative

Juniors
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even if the west comp starts up it will have to run as a seperate league anyway. there is no money for these teams to travel cross country every other weekend. so ultimately you are going to end up with 3 leagues if it takes off and its a big if due to the fact that it has been promised for at least 6 years now


Pennpool hit the nail on the head. There is very little money for clubs to operate here in the US and we have to compete with other sports that are more popular (baseball, lacrosse, soccer(football)) and we come in last place when it comes to sponsors willing to give money and time. Soccer gets a lot of sponsorship money from construction companies because a lot of people that play in amateur leagues in my area are from Latin American and a lot are laborers. Baseball/softball are "American Pastimes" and lacrosse is huge on the east coast and parts of Canada. The thing is even the MILL, or MLL, or NLL - or whatever they call themselves these days - has been attempting to turn profit on an already established sport here in the US and even they have trouble. Lacrosse in an NCAA sport, rugby league is not. In fact rugby league isn't even a college club sport like rugby union is. Some colleges help fund their rugby union programs if they do particularly well, like BYU, Utah, Penn State, Kutztown, U of Cal and so on. The IRB also gave USA Rugby an pretty decent infusion of cash to help popularize the sport here, what the hell they did with it is anyone's guess.

Rugby League is not very known and a lot that play rugby union in college aren't familiar with it or if they are they don't like it - and they don't know why, they've just been told to hate it so they do.

Areas with established clubs have to compete with a lot of activities and have to deal with established union clubs that run 7's programs here in states. A lot of union clubs are apprehensive on sending players over in the summer to play league and think we're "stealing" players from their 7's programs even if most don't or won't play 7's a day in their lives.

So to make rugby league work here it's my opinion you have to start smaller and offer something unions clubs do not offer. Playing on a pitch with showers after the game is a start. So is clubs being able to provide transport to games. Offering full kits, a chance to play on a decent pitch with grass in a stadium is another one. You have to start with the basics and then you'll bring people over. We accomplish those things - regardless if it's the USARL or AMNRL - then we've accomplished more than USA rugby ever have.

Grandiose ideas of starting a professional paid league here in the US with stadiums, tv rights, and large sponsors is all well and good but without a footing it's all a pipe dream.

When we have teams canceling games or cannot commit a full side to a game in a supposedly semi-pro league we have a problem.
 
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So to make rugby league work here it's my opinion you have to start smaller and offer something unions clubs do not offer. Playing on a pitch with showers after the game is a start. So is clubs being able to provide transport to games. Offering full kits, a chance to play on a decent pitch with grass in a stadium is another one. You have to start with the basics and then you'll bring people over. We accomplish those things - regardless if it's the USARL or AMNRL - then we've accomplished more than USA rugby ever have.


Agree completely.

Having experienced the AMNRL first hand, and union generally in the US, I think the aim of the US based RL franchises should be 'amatuer' level professionalism.

ie make players feel that playing for a RL club is 'special'. Kits, high-class training, fields, contra-stuff (supplements or what have you).

The resources absolutely don't exist to pay players, furthermore that would be a waste of time IMO. At that level, you just want guys interested in the game.

There is also a perverse 'hate' of League from union guys. It's bred into them (as it is worldwide) but they don't even know why they hate it. It's quite odd.

But once guys get involved they love it, and often prefer it to Union. So the key is getting the guys to come in the first place. I think a big hook would be just making it seem like a prestigious, 'step-up'. In that regard, Rogue Operative is on the money.
 

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