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LU Warriors Preview 2011

playdaball

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I've just had a read of Michael Edgar's preview (see below) from the LU home page and man this guy thinks that Lance Hohaia won't even be in the top 17... memo to Michael he'll be one of the 1st picked.



2011 Season Preview - Warriors

Written by: Michael Edgar
Feb 28, 2011 8:05pm
If you are looking for the text book definition of enigma, read on. The New Zealand Warriors are it. A team that can blow any other team away on their day but can also lose to the cellar dwellers at home with their best side on the park.

This is a team that makes me scratch my head more than my last case of head lice. And believe me, my last case was shocking. The Warriors, most people believe are on the rise and are poised to make a serious run at the title and secure their first grand final berth since 2002, when they were beaten by the Roosters.

The Warriors have gained the services of two of the most enigmatic players in the NRL (Kris Inu and Feleti Mateo) to push their premiership barrow and of course it makes sense they would sign with the Warriors. It's just adds to the complexity of the New Zealand Warriors. I think the addition of Inu and Mateo ultimately makes the Warriors a far more imposing side on paper. Inu can kick goals and Mateo arguably has the best ball skills in traffic of any player in the NRL. Both have, at times, struggled to find consistent form and this is the roll of the dice the Warriors have taken by signing the former Eels.

Brent Tate has gone to the Cowboys but is unlikely to see any action this year after requiring yet another knee reconstruction after injuring his knee during the Tri Nations campaign last year.

The big upside for the Warriors is the fact the Kiwis won the Tri Nations and you would have to think that would galvanise support for the Warriors across the nation.

James Maloney was a revelation for the Warriors and gave them security in the halves, an area the Warriors have continually struggled with since the retirement of the great Stacey Jones.

Then there is Manu. The NRL's most destructive player without a doubt. He is a joy to watch when in full flight and will steam roll any player (even Josh Dugan) on his way to the try line. If Manu stays fit then he has a 20 try season ahead of him. He has improved under the high ball and he genuinely enjoys his footy and loves to show it. The game needs more Manu's, especially in NZ.

Kevin Locke, one of the fastest players in the NRL is set to take on the role of custodian for the Warriors. The jury is out on this move for me. Lance Hohaia has made this spot his own and has become very reliable for the Warriors at the back.

The Warriors have also secured the services of former Bronco Shaun Berrigan and his experience will be a major boost for the Warriors. He has great utility value and will more than likely start from the bench to give the Warriors a boost at the back end of each half. Yes, Berrigan is 32 but I believe this is an astute signing by the Warriors.

Experienced campaigners such as Micheal Luck, Simon Mannering and Lance Hohaia will provide guidance in the tight matches when youthful exuberance can take over and lead to mistakes that can cost the Warriors the game.

If the Warriors can find consistency and win away from home against teams they are expected to beat, they should finish in the top four. They have size, speed and aggression in abundance but it is guile and cunning that will take them to the promised land.

Many people thought Ivan Cleary needed to be committed for taking on such an unpredictable team but I believe he has instilled a winning culture at the club and the success of the Warriors can pave the way for a second New Zealand team, something that is vitally important for the long term future of the NRL.

For the Warriors, the world is their oyster. They have all the parts to make the ultimate rugby league machine. Let's hope they don't forget the grease and oil changes needed to keep this machine running smoothly.

Player to Watch: Feleti Mateo
The obvious choice. Such an enigmatic player but also incredibly gifted with the ball in hand. He can single handedly win or lose you a match through his passing. When he's on and he gets the miracle ball away, he's a game changer. When he throws a speculator, he can cost you dearly if it doesn't come off so in that sense he's a game changer. Still, you'd rather have him in your side than not at all and with a dominant pack and good backs, He will flourish under Ivan Cleary and is the player that can take the Warriors deep into the finals.

Rookie to Watch: Glen Fisiiahi
After being introduced to the league-loving public last year in embarrassing circumstances (search Youtube for 'Fisiiahi' and you'll know what we mean), this youngster has already come ahead in leaps and bounds. A standout performer during the Warriors' Toyota Cup premiership season, the young man they call "The Fish" has already impressed with plenty of spark in the pre-season and will be pressing for a first grade spot the moment an injury comes up in the first seventeen.


Best lineup: 1. Kevin Locke 2. Manu Vatuvei 3. Jerome Ropati 4. Joel Moon 5. Krisnan Inu 6. Brett Seymour 7. James Maloney 13. Feleti Mateo 12. Simon Mannering 11. Micheal Luck 10. Sam Rapira 9. Aaron Heremaia 8. Russell Packer
Interchange: 14. Shaun Berrigan 15. Ben Matulino 16. Lewis Brown 17. Jacob Lilyman
 

Rich102

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He seems to contradict himself on the Locke question.
"Kevin Locke, one of the fastest players in the NRL is set to take on the role of custodian for the Warriors. The jury is out on this move for me. Lance Hohaia has made this spot his own and has become very reliable for the Warriors at the back."

Other than that, and the fact a Mannering/Luck second row would have no penetration, I thought it was a good review.
 

hitman82

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And still this obsession with Seymour and Maloney swapping roles - argh!
Locke is the one who will be struggling (and rightly so) to make the cut Round 1.
Lance the champ is going nowhere.

Hohaia
Inu/Fish
Moon
Ropati
Vatuvei
Maloney
Seymour
Packer
Heremaia
Rapira
Mateo
Mannering
Luck

Berrigan
Lillyman
Matulino
Ta'ai/Brown


...simple!
 

hitman82

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TBH I agree with the statement somewhat. Don't have the same heads-down mentality that we have in previous seasons. Warriors are a lot mentally tougher than we used to be, and I credit Cleary for that
 

Skinner

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TBH I agree with the statement somewhat. Don't have the same heads-down mentality that we have in previous seasons. Warriors are a lot mentally tougher than we used to be, and I credit Cleary for that

But...."winning culture" ?? I don't see it.
 

Skinner

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We win more than we lose :p isn't that a winning culture?

Not to me, unless it progresses through to winning the premiership....the absolute ultimate.

When I think of winning cultures, I think of teams like Manchester United, Liverpool in the seventies and eighties, Parramatta in the eighties, the Broncos in the last couple of decades and many more.

In Auckland, Mt Albert and Otahuhu certainly have it.

For these teams, losing is not an option.

Winning a few games in round play means diddly if you don't go on with it.

I definitely agree that they are playing with greater confidence though.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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Agree with Skinner on this. We've started beating the teams we should beat consistently, but our recent record against the top teams is very poor and there seems to be an element of forgiveness from players and fans because "they're the top teams". That's not a winning culture.

What hurts even more is the way we lose those games. 3 times in 2 games last year we were up by 12 against the Titans and let it slip both times. The Dragons came to Auckland and virtually handed the game to the Warriors in the first half, but because we were intent on keeping it tight and close we denied ourselves a chance to kick them in the beanbags when they were spread eagle presenting.

That's my biggest issue with the Warriors mentality. It often feels like they have a preconceived game plan to keep the scores close but as a result when the opponent doesn't turn up to play we remain in that mindset and allow them a chance to escape with wins they shouldn't.
 

hitman82

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Yeah I see where you're coming from. I guess I look on the positive side of things and see a team that has vastly improved in all areas under the current administration and coaching staff - and believe our premiership is not far away.

Definitely some big glitches to still be ironed out though! Such as the afore-mentioned mystery losses to crap teams. Ugh.

"Winning culture" is perhaps a large over-statement haha. But Cleary has definitely brought a cool head and a lot more tenacity.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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He's brought consistency which for the Warriors is a very good thing, but the question mark will always remain above him until they can take that next step towards being a genuine threat.

This year, making the playoffs isn't enough. I'm not saying that we have to win the whole damn thing, but we at least have to look like we belong in the playoffs.

Our current record is 2-4 in the playoffs under Cleary and we were only 30 second away from it being 0-4. On top of that, people will always look at 2008 as Wiki inspired more than anything else. Overall our record looks quite poor.

2007
Terrible home performance, losing to the Eels
Spanked by the Cowboys

2008
Last minute escape against the Storm
Second half stormer over the Roosters (who never looked like a title threat either)
Absolute spanking against eventual winners Manly

2010
Very patchy and in the end meek surrender against the Titans, albeit without much luck in the ref department (probably wouldn't have changed the result).

It's the way we lose/win that makes me question whether or not Cleary has that extra bit to get us there rather than the overall results. The league is close enough that if you create consistency and the other teams are up and down enough you'll find a way to get into the eight. Once the big time starts though, there's nowhere to hide.
 

Scottey

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And still this obsession with Seymour and Maloney swapping roles - argh!
Locke is the one who will be struggling (and rightly so) to make the cut Round 1.
Lance the champ is going nowhere.

Hohaia
Inu/Fish
Moon
Ropati
Vatuvei
Maloney
Seymour
Packer
Heremaia
Rapira
Mateo
Mannering
Luck

Berrigan
Lillyman
Matulino
Ta'ai/Brown


...simple!

ding ding.
 

legend

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Apologies for leaving out Hohaia. It was an oversight. He will definitely be there in the 17. I was picking Locke at fb based on an article I read recently saying he had the inside running for the fb spot. I thought everything else was pretty accurate though.

Cheers
 

ozbash

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They will have to start Hohaia, W/Cup and 4 Nations fullback. Its up to Locke and 'Fish to push him out, not for Lance to stand aside. Very, very healthy.

Rest of it was pretty much bang on. Dont know what they'll do with Mateo, Luck is too good for the Vulcans..
 

Rich102

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So is mannering. My problem is Luck & Mannering offer the same qualities - defence. We need someone to spark some attack!
 
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