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The Colonel

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I'm not so upset about this season as I had no expectations at the start but would really like to see evidence of some strategic thinking from our coaching staff rather than the talk we seem to get often. Time to start blooding players is now.

Some strategic planning, strategic recruitment..... hell even a strategic move on the field would show something.

My main point is, we have had a host of coaches in the past few seasons but we have the same core group of players. Somewhere we have to move on some players and reorganise that core.

At this point in time I'd really only be looking seriously at keeping Mannah, Moimoi, Allgood, Hayne, Burt and with Keating already re-signed in the mix. It would be a hard decision, and likely an unpopular one, but I'd seriously look at asking the likes of Hindmarsh and Smith to look overseas.

They need to start fresh with a roster and put up with the pain of building and moulding.

I'm not focusing on one player or two...... they aren't competing across the park be it backs, halves or forwards.

We have made everyone else accountable - coaches, board, office staff, gear stewards and the list goes on. The club now must focus on the playing roster..... and quite possibly the senior members of it.
 

Ratchy

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Burt has actually played well at fullback the past two weeks. Leave him there and move Hayne to 5'8th. Get rid of Robson completely and use Mitchell there and MK when he comes back in a couple of weeks. Even can give Morts a run as starting number 9.

You still banging on about that....moving Hayne to 6 today would've made no difference to Parra scoring points....
 

tresurehunt

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if you were expecting anything different other than a saints win well your kidding yourself, we were lucky not to get 60 put on us today.
 

hindy111

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NO Robosn out all together.We are rebuilding for next year .If we are trying to find mortimer a role than try him at 14.See how he goes.It may pay off but he aint a 5/8th .Id even be open to Mat Keating at 5/8 with mitchel & morts doing hooker interchange
 

The Colonel

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if you were expecting anything different other than a saints win well your kidding yourself, we were lucky not to get 60 put on us today.

I started the season looking at us hopefully finishing tenth and had no designs on this current team beating the Dragns. I would have liked to have seen them at least compete..... anyone even remotely happy with the fact we didn't even score a point and only went down by thirty are the ones kidding themselves.
 

parralegend

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Honestly i just need to vent that was pathetic. I don't care that parramatta lost the game i more annoyed with the fact that we look like the PNG side that played Aus last year.

Everytime parramatta gets into a attacking opportunity they look as if they have battled just to make it to tackle 5 and we have no execution moves to finish off the play, Mortimer done a few kicks but his clearly not the halfback and Robson makes me shake my head everytime i see him with the ball.

Won't the Parramatta gods for christ sake invest in a weapon of a halfback even if it's midseason!!!! Everyone on parra's side look deflated and no wonder everytime the dragons used set plays they smashed through our defence because all Parramatta done the whole game was chase their tails.
 

Snoochies

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Burt was very plain today at FB

Although it's good to see he's watched Hayne enough to know how to milk the penalty through the dive!!


The option of Burt at FB is a terrible one. Go back and look at our results over the years in games where Burt has played FB - the defensive efforts are always BAD. And our win % is something like 35. That's even worse than this season!!



You can whinge all you want about the current team, but the one CERTAINTY is Hayne at FB (unless somehow unavailable).
You don't plug a leak in a boat by cutting off the rudder to stick it in there....

Personally I'm waiting until Keating returns from injury, then Keating to 9 and McGuire to 7.
It MIGHT be worthwhile just shuffling Robson to hooker while we wait?

I thought Burt copped a decent shot. Just my opinion.
 

Ratchy

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Explain your reasoning...

I think that has been clearly explained about Hayne's looks best when he is creating the extra man with his speed & footwork.......having Robson inside wouldn't help anyone.

Parra's greatest need at the moment is a halfback
 

Hooch

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Jeeze Mortimer is just completely out of form.. massive yips.. he can't even time his passes properly now..

Defensively your centres got dusted.. didnt Gasnier have a field day.. I dunno you got the core of a good side there, roster need work. I can see why you're so desperate for Sandow..
 

jayjayselmes

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Mortimor and Robson are terrible. They have to go now. Don't care who replaces them. Kearney MUST change the halves combination immediately.

Agreed 100%

loko= garbage
mortimer = garbage - cant kick, cant pass, cant tackle... should be the first to go over Robson
reddy = garbage
atkins = garbage
keating = double pump doesnt work/ ordinary hooker
Smith = great defender
hindy = see smith
Moi Moi = our best forward by far
Burt = solid
Shackelton = not bad
Mcquire = a crap load better than keating
Robson = solid defender but crap halfback
Rogers = a comedy act
lasalo = average
mannah = over rated
Horo = been disappoting this year had hope for this guy
Allgood = a big boy for a young fellow and will be better as he gets older
Hayne - disappointing this year
 

jayjayselmes

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Jeeze Mortimer is just completely out of form.. massive yips.. he can't even time his passes properly now..

Defensively your centres got dusted.. didnt Gasnier have a field day.. I dunno you got the core of a good side there, roster need work. I can see why you're so desperate for Sandow..

Mortimer would be the first to go over robson.

Mortimer is garabage and needs to go back to wenty. The bloke is never going to get any better. He really has trouble kicking and he cant even tackle or pass the ball. His ball passing ability is really bad.

i cant believe people rate mortimer over Robson???? Atleast robson can tackle
 

IFR33K

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Agreed 100%

loko= garbage
mortimer = garbage - cant kick, cant pass, cant tackle... should be the first to go over Robson
reddy = garbage
atkins = garbage
keating = double pump doesnt work/ ordinary hooker
Smith = great defender
hindy = see smith
Moi Moi = our best forward by far
Burt = solid
Shackelton = not bad
Mcquire = a crap load better than keating
Robson = solid defender but crap halfback
Rogers = a comedy act
lasalo = average
mannah = over rated
Horo = been disappoting this year had hope for this guy
Allgood = a big boy for a young fellow and will be better as he gets older
Hayne - disappointing this year


Over rated???? you must have a cas of sun stroke.

I thought Horo went well today as well. Mortimer has been better this year, too.
 

Hooch

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Is that Mortimer's better? Cos that was really poor.. saw him just totally butcher a number of plays with totally off timing of his passes.. reminds me of a golfer who has the yips, or a boggerballer who cant kick straight..
 

jayjayselmes

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Over rated???? you must have a cas of sun stroke.

I thought Horo went well today as well. Mortimer has been better this year, too.

You been on the drink again? Sorry mate mortimer is garbage!! missed several tackles resulting in try's today on the same side as loko. Its just a turn style for teams to run down...

Mortimer good? ohhh dear me! :lol:
 

Parra Guru

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Was anyone thinking we were going to win today?? We're playing a side that can squeeze the life out of the top sides and we were without our best attacking player.

I thought there were some positives. We didn't give away too many silly penalties which is a trap we have fallen into in the past few games.

Soward and Gasnier are in great form too. Didn't help.
 

Bazal

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That Sandow and a couple of centres will turn the club around are deadset kidding themselves. Clean out is required of the highest order.....

Dragons are the benchmark and they haven't even made it to halftime and they are getting pantsed. Sure, they are completing their sets but their is no commitment to defence in the slightest.

The club need to make a serious commitment to moving ahead and look at some clubs ho have basically started their recruitemnt at the lower levels and re-built from there.

The Academy is pretty much a good start, but we have had five coaches in a similar amount of years yet we still see the same results time and again.

Pick the eyes out of all of the Under 20's teams, give them an opportunity at first grade and stick with them over 12-18 months and develop a team around a few senior players.

The current mob, 1-17 are basically a f**king rabble and few are deserved of a first grade jumper.

We are a f**king disgrace, that much is clear. We're an embarrassment made up mostly of park footballers and has beens. There are literally only 3 or 4 players worthy of a first grade spot in our side at the moment...Horo was good today, but niether half is good enough to put him in the holes he hits. Mannah is a star, Fui always does his best and McGuire is a handy player. Hindy is still solid, as is Burt. Reddy and Hayne are horrifically overrated and on todays performance Reddy would get the chop if I were coaching. He was shocking.

We have some good young talent, but that's not much good to us at this stage. Allgood looks the goods, Lasalo has had flashes, as has Loko...but they're clearly not ready. Stanley today showed what a young fella who is ready looks like and sadly (apart from Allgood, maybe) none of ours are. Loko did well to come back from being shredded by Gasnier and make a few good tackles, but his defence on the whole is rubbish. Lasalo, as well, has issues with defence and concentration. Keating and Poore are injured, Mitchell can't get a run. Shackleton has been a let down and has a lot to prove, but he's not playing his preferred position.

Basically, outside those guys, none are worth the price of a jersey. Ben Smith has become a burden, the halves are absolutely shocking, all the outside backs are horrible and not ready or not up to it. The few weak links in the pack wouldn't be an issue if not for the rest of the rubbish on the field.

Sandow would make an instant difference, though. We had a chance to put some points on today, and we couldn't do it. Our halves are horrible. Sandow will make us so much more competitive at least. Sure, he won't take us straight to the top 4, but he'll sure as shit make us a more dangerous side. A couple of good centres, too, would make a huge difference given the hacks we have at the moment. If we (and this is an example based on the rumours, nothing more) signed up Chambers and Tonga, for example, then all of a sudden we have a half who can get the ball to the backs, and two backs who can score tries (and TACKLE!). That's double what we have at the moment, with clueless halves and backs who may as well be statues.

But otherwise, I do agree. They won't make us premiership contenders. We'd be there or thereabouts, but we still wouldn't make it all the way. Hard decisions need to be made at that might mean losing some players that will be unpopular.

Personally, I wouldn't sign Reddy on if we can replace him. He's a good bloke, but seriously, as a strike centre he's way down the list and his defence is very, very overrated. Ben Smith would go as well, to whoever would have him. Hicks might as well retire now, he could have been good for us but at his age a decent ankle injury is pretty much curtains. Mortimer can be sold to whoever will take him...actually, scratch that, I'd PAY them to take him. Hayne needs a rocket, there is no way I would keep an underperforming kid with a god complex on his money. It'll be an unpopular decision but he soaks up so much of our cap, if he's going to be playing like a busted then a business decision will need to be made. He has to show that he deserves that money and that he deserves to be seen as our go to man, and since 2009 he hasn't been. Inu was pilloried and no one wanted him to stay...well Hayne has been nearly as disappointing. Hindmarsh, sadly, is getting to the point that he is past it honestly. I hate saying it, but I think it might be time for him to give it away? Obviously he still makes his tackles and does the clean up, but his inability to attack is becoming a real problem for us.
 

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