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CEOs: Let's change jersey numbers

Should players be allowed to chose their own jersey number?


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oldmancraigy

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no one has explained how making lockyer only play in a #6 jumper will lead to more broncos jumpers being sold.

Perhaps Lockyer is a geniused example since he IS the 6 jersey at the Broncos.

Plenty of popular players still trying to cement their place in FG.

Ben Barba would sell a bunch of jerseys. Atm he's the FB - might move to 5/8 in years to come?
If a fan wants a Barba jersey, and has the confidence that he'll be #33 for his career (more than likely anyway) aren't they more likely to invest in a #33 'Barba' jersey?

Say what you want, but you're incorrect because it's shown around the world that jerseys numbered to a player sell more than blank jerseys.
 

Pierced Soul

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Ben Barba would sell a bunch of jerseys. Atm he's the FB - might move to 5/8 in years to come?
If a fan wants a Barba jersey, and has the confidence that he'll be #33 for his career (more than likely anyway) aren't they more likely to invest in a #33 'Barba' jersey?

Say what you want, but you're incorrect because it's shown around the world that jerseys numbered to a player sell more than blank jerseys.

and yet barba may stay in #1 for the rest of his career. if the idea is to sell MORE jersey's (which is a given based on the freuqent chanegs to jersey designs) wouldnt it be better to get people to buy one with a #1 and a #6 down the track if needbe?

show me how many dogs fans wont buy a jersey and put a 1 on it cos barba may move positions?


I have quite a few broncos jersey's, i ahve one from 2000 with a #1 on it cos it was lockyers numebr at the time, i ahve anotehr with #6 for a more recent jersey and another with #4 as well as several other jersey's with no numbers yet. I knwo who they represent, if someone thinks my 4 refers to dale copley then they can think that for all i care.

you cant compare the market rugby league exists in to major sports overseas. the NFL, NHL, NBA, Premier league all generate a shitload mroe income, exist in a different market and subsequently are going to have a different fanbase. a numbered beckham jersey amy sell in the uk but it doesnt mean it'll work in australia
 

Shorty

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^ How do you know it wouldn't work?
And don't use the SL bullsh*t, this is a different time.
The NRL isn't making enough money atm, so why not try it?

There are ways in which the NRL can improve signficantly but on here the dinosaurs dismiss it immediately.
 

Pierced Soul

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^ How do you know it wouldn't work?
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what eveidence is there that it would work in RUGBY LEAGUE?

i'm all for clubs making more money, players getting more money through endorsements etc and the NRL and individual clubs 'brand' being improved but i dont know how giving a player a designated number and making jersey's with said number is going to sell more jerseys??
 

BunniesMan

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what eveidence is there that it would work in RUGBY LEAGUE?
The fact that the CEO's are for it? I don't think they're in the business of being for ideas that are bad for their clubs.

And all you people saying it "won't work" are morons. It isn't a yes or no question. This can't fail. If people want to keep buying blank jerseys, they can, those will still be available.

Personalised jerseys are something that can be sold in addition to blank jerseys. If noone wants it nothing will happen. The skies won't fall in.

But I see so many personalised AFL, EPL, NBA and NFL jerseys around (I have 1 of each), I can't see it failing. Aussies already buy personalised jerseys from overseas sports. It will sell if we do it.
 

Fibroman

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Who gives a flying fock. The number on the back means nothing anymore. Let them do what they want, although Roosters and Manly players should all have to wear 69 on their backs, the d1ck eaters.
 

eaglerock

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Who gives a flying fock. The number on the back means nothing anymore. Let them do what they want, although Roosters and Manly players should all have to wear 69 on their backs, the d1ck eaters.


wrong thread half wit... stick to the topic, not what you fantasies are..
 

Doomednow

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You can't? Probably because you were too narrow minded to actually think about it.

Jarryd Hayne, Darren Lockyer, Jonathan Thurston....those numbers would be specifically bought more and the money would go directly to the club making the club more dosh.
It's not that hard, but a lot of the fans in LU are incrediably narrow minded.

Perhaps, but if the punter buys a numbered jersey are they going to buy a blank one? People would just choose (replace the purchase of) numbereds over blanks, not get both. How does that make any more money? And even if they bought multiple jerseys from the one club, how many would buy significantly more than they already do?

Am I narrow minded? Or realistic?

I don't know where the hoards of fans are that are going to come out of the woodworks and buy all these extra jerseys on top of what they usually would.
 

Alpha

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Didn't read the thread but I hope this point was made. What happens if you buy a club jersey with a certain players number on the back, then the very next year that player moves on to a different club. I know I support the club not an individual player
 

BunniesMan

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Perhaps, but if the punter buys a numbered jersey are they going to buy a blank one? People would just choose (replace the purchase of) numbereds over blanks, not get both. How does that make any more money? And even if they bought multiple jerseys from the one club, how many would buy significantly more than they already do?

Am I narrow minded? Or realistic?

I don't know where the hoards of fans are that are going to come out of the woodworks and buy all these extra jerseys on top of what they usually would.
I have a Souths jersey already. If they brought this into the game I'd buy another jersey on the day it came out. Otherwise my current jersey will probably do me for 20 years.

This way every generation of stars will see a new wave of jerseys bought.
Didn't read the thread but I hope this point was made. What happens if you buy a club jersey with a certain players number on the back, then the very next year that player moves on to a different club. I know I support the club not an individual player
Well that happens. But most personalized jerseys that are brought will be of the established stars. The players who are the least likely to be moving club routinely.
 

AlwaysGreen

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Didn't read the thread but I hope this point was made. What happens if you buy a club jersey with a certain players number on the back, then the very next year that player moves on to a different club. I know I support the club not an individual player
:clap::clap:
 

B-Tron 3000

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I've not read the whole thread, just wanted to say two things about the original article:

It's a model used in the AFL, European football and American sports
Crap.

In European football players are given squad numbers for the season, and they generally reflect a position.

Strikers are number 9, Goalies 1, right midfielders generally 7 (though sometimes this is the default for an attacker that can't get the 9 or 10 jersey), defenders 2 to 5 (sometimes defensive midfielders are 4 though), etc etc.

In most cases, players want certain jersey numbers and they are the lower numbers. Sometimes a player will turn up to a club and his positional jersey is taken already, and he has to do with another number. He will often then keep that number until such time as he leaves or the jersey that he wants becomes available. Sometimes a player will be dumped from the "1st team" and given a larger number and someone promoted to take a better (lower) number, but that is normally about ego more than anything, with the new star showing his pull.

The reason that you see a twat like beckham in 23 is that, when he moved to Real Madrid, Raul - a local who the crowds loved - had Beckham's 7 Jersey, so Beckham chose the ridiculous 23 (probably because Nike told him to) so he could "be like Mike."


Apart from generally representing a position, the number on the back of certain club's jerseys represent status as well, due to the history of players who have gone before you in that jersey. At Liverpool the 7 is adored, which is why it was such a big deal for Kewell to get it (pity he kept getting injured and couldn't live up to it). In many latin clubs, 10 is the jersey that you want, as it represents the cunning attacker who is the side's creative spark.

That certain numbers come with such history creates good stories and great drama when someone new comes in and takes that number, as opposed to American Sports where a new player takes a new number of his own and you have to wait and see whether that number becomes famous. Also, the American ideal of having your own number exacerbates the "fake superstar" phenomenom where marketing teams and the media drive up a player's number as a commodity after he has played just two good games, whereas in European football stepping into an historically poignant number actually means something.


Anyway, so what does this mean for sales? Nothing. The 7 jerseys of Beckham at Man U sold just as many as the 23 of Real Madrid. It's rubbish.

How they would sell more jerseys is this:

LOWER THE F*CKING PRICES!

Why would you buy a $120 jersey that you can only really wear to the game when you can buy a $40 polo that you could wear, say, on the golf course as well?

Such a move would allow Jarryd Hayne, for example, to decide against wearing the fullback's No.1, and instead choose any number he wished – No.23, say – and keep that number throughout his career.
God I would be sick if he did that.

23 is done. Leave it alone.
 

Loudstrat

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Mmhm.

You should check out your own team mate.

Nathan Hindmarsh has worn 11 for years because that's "his number" - but he plays lock for Parramatta.
Andersen publicly said Hindmarsh was his '11' during his coaching tenure, and there's nothing different in the way he's playing this season. The 'second rowers' (who run wide one on each side of the ruck) are the numbers 12 and 13 for Parra instead of the 11 and 12.


Hindmarsh is one of the most bankable players at Parra - what sort of uproar do you think it would cause if he had his jersey number changed to 13 last season?

Absolutely none. What do you expect? Mobs of angry hoards burning down parliament?

Brett Kenny - the greatest No 6 for a single club in history - spent his twilight years wearing the No. 13. No-one battered an eyelid.

Great - all the kids who put an 11 on their jersey are now Taniela Lasalo fans??

Manly did the same thing with Menzies and his number.

There's no big deal giving players whatever number they want - if anything it's better.
It's worse. You trade the position indicator for a stupid pointless reason. The code becomes a laughing stock.


I'd suggest limiting the numbers to double digits only - and of course when a player changes clubs, that brings a different set of scenarios - but that's no biggie at all.
No - apart from making your entire argument obsolete!!!!!!!

what? how does putting a 6 on a broncos jumper sell more? you can get a 6 put onto the jumper :crazy:

are fans not buying jumpers because they dont have numbers on them? [perhaps we shoudl educate people that iron on numbers have been around for decades and can be done pretty quickly and easily.

no one has explained how making lockyer only play in a #6 jumper will lead to more broncos jumpers being sold.

Exactly. This whole stupid idea is based on the fact that fans will buy jerseys that are numbered to represent a particular player. And how f*cking brain dead is that argument? Well, a number can never be guaranteed to be exclusive of a player anyway. And why cant a kid just get the number of his/her favorite player as it is?

Think through this you dimwits. If there WAS a market for kids to want jerseys numbered to represent certain players - which I seriously doubt - then the more chance that player will change numbers, the more that kid would want another jersey - this time with the updated number. So a Simon Mannering fan might end up with 6 different jumpers - and the Warriors more $.

Anyone who cannot see that logic, and who goes along with the pathetic sales pitch of billions of kids suddenly buying a Broncos #6 jumper because the rules changed -even though Heather's number didnt - probably has Nurse Ratchett as a carer.
 

eaglerock

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Loudstrat,

Typical answer from someone whos ideas are tunneled and narrow minded.
go back to fighting a lost cause, like getting the bears back in the comp...Believe it or not some people are fans of individual players no matter who they support. ie as a fan of rugby league and memorabilia, I am a manly fan but i also like Ben Matulino. so i would buy his jersey, but i would not buy a warriors jersey. i like Benji as a player so i would buy a benji jersey but not a tigers jersey. etc etc.

Personalised Jerseys will happen because CEO's and those who control the clubs will see the future in the money in this idea. And at the end of the day, money talks...

What they also need to consider is having the names also, which would enhance the marketing further.

END ARGUMENT - THREAD CLOSED
 

anjado

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Didn't read the thread but I hope this point was made. What happens if you buy a club jersey with a certain players number on the back, then the very next year that player moves on to a different club. I know I support the club not an individual player

You may support the club but certain people might support individual players. They may have a club but may want a personalized jersey of a player playing for another club.

To your point if they move clubs they move clubs, How many LeBron James Cleveland Cavs jersey's are there ? Or Beckham Manchester United shirts ? People who pay for individual players shirts might not even care what club they play for and just buy the shirt for whichever club he decides to play for. This happens all the time in all teams sports really they will still sell plain jersey's so people can just buy them instead.

The argument isn't really for people who feel passionately about there clubs because the club will always feel bigger then the individual player. They will buy a regular jersey regardless of them being personalized or not.

The argument for personalized jersey's is more an argument for casual fans who might buy a Marshall or Hayne Jersey, the same as they would buy a Lebron James or David Beckham Jersey.

The market obviously will not be as big as that though. Which is why it needs to be proven that personalized jersey's would make money.

But the point is personalized numbers and jersey's are for people who are only casual fans if you will who enjoy watching individual players play or looking like they do.

Maybe people will wear them to look cool or something. It s not something which will make sense to a lot of people but there may be a market out there for people who just want a personalized jersey of a particular player. Rather then just a plain club jersey with a number on the back.

To be honest i am not for or against the idea it is only a number to me. But you cannot blame the clubs for looking at ways of gaining extra revenue this could possibly be a way to gain extra revenue.
 

BunniesMan

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Absolutely none. What do you expect? Mobs of angry hoards burning down parliament?

Brett Kenny - the greatest No 6 for a single club in history - spent his twilight years wearing the No. 13. No-one battered an eyelid.

It's worse. You trade the position indicator for a stupid pointless reason. The code becomes a laughing stock.


No - apart from making your entire argument obsolete!!!!!!!



Exactly. This whole stupid idea is based on the fact that fans will buy jerseys that are numbered to represent a particular player. And how f*cking brain dead is that argument? Well, a number can never be guaranteed to be exclusive of a player anyway. And why cant a kid just get the number of his/her favorite player as it is?

Think through this you dimwits. If there WAS a market for kids to want jerseys numbered to represent certain players - which I seriously doubt - then the more chance that player will change numbers, the more that kid would want another jersey - this time with the updated number. So a Simon Mannering fan might end up with 6 different jumpers - and the Warriors more $.

Anyone who cannot see that logic, and who goes along with the pathetic sales pitch of billions of kids suddenly buying a Broncos #6 jumper because the rules changed -even though Heather's number didnt - probably has Nurse Ratchett as a carer.
Loudstrat...loudstrat...loudstrat...you need to understand that intellectually speaking you are a lightweight compared to me. You can't even begin to comprehend let alone properly analyze the high level thinking I can.
 

bartman

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More often than not, within any one season, every decent enough player already has a personalised jersey number anyway - their 1-13/17 position number with their existing club.

People that are into supporting individual players more than clubs will buy the blank jerseys and get a number of their favourite player stuck on the back. I did this years agao when I was 12.

We don't need Nike-styled individual player numbers for kids or parents to spend the money on merchandise - it is happening already with the existing numbers as much as it ever will if league goes down the path of individual players with stupid Nike-sponsored numbers.
 
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I have 4 jerseys.

Only one of them has a number on it.

It was the first jersey I bought. A 1999 Gold Eels jersey.

I put the number 12 on the back. Not because of any player playing for the Eels - It was the number I wore when I played.

We follow teams, not individual players.
I love LeBron James, but I'm not going to buy a Miami jersey just because it has his number on it (a number which changed when he changed teams by the way). I won't buy one because I support a different team.

Would be the same for any League players who don't play for the Eels - or for any of the Eels players for that matter.
I'll keep my jersey blank on the back thank you, and just support my team.
 

Pierced Soul

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ie as a fan of rugby league and memorabilia, I am a manly fan but i also like Ben Matulino. so i would buy his jersey, but i would not buy a warriors jersey. i like Benji as a player so i would buy a benji jersey but not a tigers jersey. etc etc.


so how does a "benji" jersey differ to a tigers jersey with a 6 on the back? it's still a tigers jersey ](*,)

f**k this bullshit numbering, bring abck the long sleeve jersey's :fist:
 

Loudstrat

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Loudstrat,

Typical answer from someone whos ideas are tunneled and narrow minded.
go back to fighting a lost cause, like getting the bears back in the comp...Believe it or not some people are fans of individual players no matter who they support. ie as a fan of rugby league and memorabilia, I am a manly fan but i also like Ben Matulino. so i would buy his jersey, but i would not buy a warriors jersey. i like Benji as a player so i would buy a benji jersey but not a tigers jersey. etc etc.
Well today my friend is your lucky day! I can get you your Benji Marshall jersey RIGHT NOW - without waiting for any NRL rule change hat would f*c one of the founding reasons for our code's existance.

You can have a nice black one with 2 white V's and a kiwi on the left breast. Or you can get a splendid gold and black one with a tiger on it. Both come with Benji's personal number -6

Or, you can wait for the rule change and get exactly the same thing!

Let me guess. You will buy one when the rules change, but you wont buy one now? Bullsh*t. If you wanted one you'd get one now you f*cking gronk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Personalised Jerseys will happen because CEO's and those who control the clubs will see the future in the money in this idea. And at the end of the day, money talks...
...and bullsh*t walks. Walk on buddy.

What they also need to consider is having the names also, which would enhance the marketing further.
You can get lettering too!

I bought a Blues jumper back in the early days. Got a 6 on it because of the great Bert. They threw in lettering for free. I said "Great!" Sales lady says "So you obviously want K E N N Y". "No thanks" I replied. I want "H E N D R I X". Killed 2 birds with one stone.

Maybe if the Tigers # 6 jumper could have "BIEBER" on the back - you'd buy it then?

F*ckwit.
 
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