england squad named

[WireMan]

If a position is evenly match and then the loss of one player swings it in the opposite, it wasn't evenly matched then. Take the best prop from the NRL and while it'll be sad to see him go, he won't be missed, someone will replace him in the NRL.

If you have two piles both with 4 things in. They are even.

If you take one thing out of one pile and place it in the other one you have 3 in one and 5 in the other. So not even. But it was even to start.

Hence your wrong. ;-)


Who is the best prop in the NRL? Who are us poms looking for Morley to smash?



As for Sinfield, if we play him he has to play in the halves. We cannot have a playmaker in the 13. We only have one good thing going at the mo and its in the forwards so to weaken them would be silly.

Play him at 7, Rangi at 6.

 

[NRL-TGG]

And the most geniused logic award goes to...

congratulations on yourself appointed awards.

Talent is judged by depth. If the ESL doesn't have enough depth to cover one player then they don't have anywhere near as much depth as the NRL.

 

[Didgi]

Who is the best prop in the NRL? Who are us poms looking for Morley to smash?

Matt Scott.

 

[Didgi]

congratulations on yourself appointed awards.

Talent is judged by depth. If the ESL doesn't have enough depth to cover one player then they don't have anywhere near as much depth as the NRL.

Talent is judged by the talent of players in the competition. Depth is judged by depth. If you take the best prop from one competition and add it to another, of course the scales are going to tip - same as if you took Matt Scott or Fui Fui Moi Moi from the NRL and put them into the ESL.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with the statement that the comps are even prop-wise, but your logic is wrong.

 

[NRL-TGG]

Talent is judged by the talent of players in the competition. Depth is judged by depth. If you take the best prop from one competition and add it to another, of course the scales are going to tip - same as if you took Matt Scott or Fui Fui Moi Moi from the NRL and put them into the ESL..

No it won't, Losing two players out of the NRL competition to the ESL won't tip the the scales towards the ESL. Why? Because other players will step up into the shoes. That may be the same in the ESL as well, but if it isn't then it's no where near evenly matched as the original post stated.

 

[Didgi]

You think losing top players to Super League wouldn't lower the overall standard of props in the NRL and increase the overall standard of props in the ESL?

 

[roughyedspud]

Matt Scott.

supposedly the best prop in the world.................:sarcasm:

 

[WireMan]

supposedly the best prop in the world.................:sarcasm:

Morleys gonna get ya!!! :crazy:

 

[JonG]

Some truly terrible selections in that squad,

I wouldn't have Bailey anywhere near
Sinfield is a great domestic player but a non entity in internationals
JJB is nowhere near the quality required
Neither is Wilkin
BJB is one for the future but isn't ready yet
Ablet has had a good season but will get torn apart against the best centres in the world
McIlorum is very limited with ball in hand and is a poor DH player


Mossop, Brough, Harrison, Atkins, McGilvery, Robinson should all be in the squad

McNamara has selected poorly, instilled no confidence and doesn't have the ability or experience to coach a substandard squad in such a way that they'll perform above and beyond.

Have you watched any Superleague since Easter??

I'm a giants supporter and wouldn't have Brough, Robinson or McGilvary anywhere near the england squad. Brough's form has been atrocious, Luke has been caught short on too many occasions, and McGilvary has just finished his first season in SL and whilst he is strong taking the ball back his defence is suspect and there is no confidence in him to take high balls - especially when it comes to cross field kicks against the much taller and athletci NZ/Aus wings/centres.

Atkins defence is woeful - the Aus/NZ teams had a field day against him last year, Harrison is a trier but ultimately does nothing of note in any games. JJB has played much better than him this last few months.

Mossop maybe instead of Bailey, but neither of them would get anywhere near the starting 17 unless there is injuries to Carvell, Morley, Graham, or Peacock, and maybe even Westwood.

Sinfield always ends up playing at 6 at international due to the lack of players we've had there in recent times. Now he should be able to do what he does best at 13

Wilkin will be nowhere near the starting 17, Ablett won't either but is a good utility player and ultimately is centre for the SL Champions. McIllorum wont get near the starting 17. These guys might get a run out against Wales, but I doubt it.

I think we have one of the best squads we have had in years, injuries permitting, and one of the best chances in years

 

[roughyedspud]

just a shame we have'nt a decent coach eh?

 

[NRL-TGG]

You think losing top players to Super League wouldn't lower the overall standard of props in the NRL and increase the overall standard of props in the ESL?

We aren't talking about players, we are talking about one player.

 

[Didgi]

We aren't talking about players, we are talking about one player.

No it won't, Losing two players out of the NRL competition to the ESL won't tip the the scales towards the ESL. Why? Because other players will step up into the shoes. That may be the same in the ESL as well, but if it isn't then it's no where near evenly matched as the original post stated.

Well you said it, but one player would still have the same affect.

So, you don't think losing our best prop to the SL wouldn't decrease the overall quality of props in the NRL and raise the quality of props in the ESL? Even if others step up and the quality here never actually drops but remains the same, the quality of props in the ESL would still improve.

 

[WireMan]

Have you watched any Superleague since Easter??

I'm a giants supporter and wouldn't have Brough, Robinson or McGilvary anywhere near the england squad. Brough's form has been atrocious, Luke has been caught short on too many occasions, and McGilvary has just finished his first season in SL and whilst he is strong taking the ball back his defence is suspect and there is no confidence in him to take high balls - especially when it comes to cross field kicks against the much taller and athletci NZ/Aus wings/centres.

Atkins defence is woeful - the Aus/NZ teams had a field day against him last year, Harrison is a trier but ultimately does nothing of note in any games. JJB has played much better than him this last few months.

Mossop maybe instead of Bailey, but neither of them would get anywhere near the starting 17 unless there is injuries to Carvell, Morley, Graham, or Peacock, and maybe even Westwood.

Sinfield always ends up playing at 6 at international due to the lack of players we've had there in recent times. Now he should be able to do what he does best at 13

Wilkin will be nowhere near the starting 17, Ablett won't either but is a good utility player and ultimately is centre for the SL Champions. McIllorum wont get near the starting 17. These guys might get a run out against Wales, but I doubt it.

I think we have one of the best squads we have had in years, injuries permitting, and one of the best chances in years

If we are talking super league since Easter you got anything to back the bolded bit up?

It doesn't matter as he has asked not to be picked but its a bit rich (and silly) having a pop at someone asking "have you watched super league since Easter" then make sweeping statements based on rugby from before Easter.


I think we have a good squad, but with the amount of players dropping out the first team is a bit lacking.

 

[WireMan]

Well you said it, but one player would still have the same affect.

So, you don't think losing our best prop to the SL wouldn't decrease the overall quality of props in the NRL and raise the quality of props in the ESL? Even if others step up and the quality here never actually drops but remains the same, the quality of props in the ESL would still improve.

Just draw him a picture. It will be easier.

 

[JonG]

If we are talking super league since Easter you got anything to back the bolded bit up?

It doesn't matter as he has asked not to be picked but its a bit rich (and silly) having a pop at someone asking "have you watched super league since Easter" then make sweeping statements based on rugby from before Easter.


I think we have a good squad, but with the amount of players dropping out the first team is a bit lacking.

Got nothing to back up Atkins defence, or Broughs form etc...apart from watching a fair amount of both teams, either on sky, live, or highlights. Atkins defence hasn't just been awful since Easter, it's awful full stop. It's easy to attack, but in defence he gets so many decisions wrong it's unbelievable - he comes out at the wrong time, holds back when he should come out, doesn't slide when he should, slides when he shouldn't etc...

Put Atkins in the centre and the aussies and kiwis will rip right through him

 

[WireMan]

Got nothing to back up Atkins defence, or Broughs form etc...apart from watching a fair amount of both teams, either on sky, live, or highlights. Atkins defence hasn't just been awful since Easter, it's awful full stop. It's easy to attack, but in defence he gets so many decisions wrong it's unbelievable - he comes out at the wrong time, holds back when he should come out, doesn't slide when he should, slides when he shouldn't etc...

Put Atkins in the centre and the aussies and kiwis will rip right through him

The best defence in the league has someone who is 'awful' in defence?

Why didn't someone tell the giants then cause they got beat scoring ZERO points in the playoffs maybe someone should of attacked him?
He is standing next to Myler in the defensive line who according to rugby sages cannot tackle either. L Anderson is also out there left second row, and he is someone that has the odd moment of insanity.

Awful? Really? Help me out, which games are you thinking off?


I'm going to have to repectfully disagree with you on that one. ;-)

 

[JonG]

The best defence in the league has someone who is 'awful' in defence?

Why didn't someone tell the giants then cause they got beat scoring ZERO points in the playoffs maybe someone should of attacked him?
He is standing next to Myler in the defensive line who according to rugby sages cannot tackle either. L Anderson is also out there left second row, and he is someone that has the odd moment of insanity.

Awful? Really? Help me out, which games are you thinking off?


I'm going to have to repectfully disagree with you on that one. ;-)

Yep, the team with the best defence has someone in it who can't defend. Hence the reason Warrington came away with nothing this year

Bradford also nilled the Giants - say's more about the Giants ability to attack (where the main playmaker is supposed to be brough), than Bradford awesome defence.

I've got nothing against Atkins, he is good in attack, but his defence is bad.

 

[The Clan]

It amazes me how many people can watch the game for years and still no next to nothing about it!

Broughs problem was that he came back too early from a bad injury, he did so because the Giants were woefully out of form and they expected Broughy to answer all their problems.

Everything they did from that point forward was via Danny Brough, overkill or what. Having had the benefit of a break and with players who could capitalise on his creativity would see Broughy hitting the form he showed early season. Instead of that we'll see Sinfield do his ineffective best which we already know isn't good enough at International level.

Atkins has been head and shoulders better than any other available centre including the much vaunted but soon to underwhelm, Jack Reed. OK so Atkins has opted out but your points re his defensive ability are well out of date.

Mossop, well your assessment of him is laughable, more hit ups, more tackles, less misses, better average yards, more tries, conceded less penalties. He's been the cornerstone of the Wigan pack in the last two seasonsin which the pies have won the CC and the GF while finishing 1st and then 2nd in the league but you think he's only marginaly betterthan Ryan Bailey.

Give yourself an uppercut fella!

 

[Seage]

I'm not a huge fan, but the one thing Reed has going for him above any of the other centres is that at least he defends against NRL quality centres week-in, week-out. And does so reasonably well.

He won't be daunted by the prospect of marking Willie Tonga. Nor should anyone for that matter.

 

[Shorty]

He won't be daunted by the prospect of marking Willie Tonga. Nor should anyone for that matter.

I suppose you didn't watch Origin the last couple of years?:?