Maybe Tomkins Is The Answer For Saints

[Minh]

Dugan is awesome, one of the best young players going around, NSW missed him.

 

[possm]

I think we need 2 look 2 get by in 2012 with what we have in the fullback department. That said there seems to be some strong suggestions linking Dugan to the Dragons in 2013, though got a feeling Tigers might also have a dip at him.

I'd prefer 2 wait and have a real crack at Dugan as i think we have a massive chance there. Im surprised this hasn't already surfaced to date on the forums.

Look for this rumour to gather pace during 2012, or perhaps a play for a halfback!

If we have to 'get by in 2012' then I am sure we can make a fist of it and who knows, maybe we will un-earth a great fullback. Right now Goodwin, Stanly and Cummins are not recognised top line players.

I believe if we have the opportunity to sign up a top line player for 2012 we should do so, even if it is only a one year deal with options for more. The 300k for one year with an option for 450K the next might be attractive for someone like Tomkins. Maybe a swap for a year with Goodwin or Commins might help with the release and the extra 100 ood K be added to the deal for Tomkins.

 

[gypsy]

If we have to 'get by in 2012' then I am sure we can make a fist of it and who knows, maybe we will un-earth a great fullback. Right now Goodwin, Stanly and Cummins are not recognised top line players.

I believe if we have the opportunity to sign up a top line player for 2012 we should do so, even if it is only a one year deal with options for more. The 300k for one year with an option for 450K the next might be attractive for someone like Tomkins. Maybe a swap for a year with Goodwin or Commins might help with the release and the extra 100 ood K be added to the deal for Tomkins.

I watch him every week, he's too small for the NRL, runs sideways and takes advantage of staggered defensive lines and crap kick chases in the SL. He wouldn't make as much impact as everyone is making out.

Give Kyle a chance, and comment on how we're looking after a month of footy.

 

[Father Ted]

Bennett said Kyles future was in the halves and I would'nt argue with a genius . I think we should go with Goodwin and then bring Cummins into the role of Fullback the following year unless of course Goodwin makes the position his own.

 

[gypsy]

Bennett said Kyles future was in the halves and I would'nt argue with a genius . I think we should go with Goodwin and then bring Cummins into the role of Fullback the following year unless of course Goodwin makes the position his own.

I think all that is pretty irrelevant, certainly looks as if Kyle will be given first shot at the fullback spot, and if he shines there which he will, I can't imagine him moving.

He has all the assets to make a damn good fullback.

 

[Cagey Mac]

I think all that is pretty irrelevant, certainly looks as if Kyle will be given first shot at the fullback spot, and if he shines there which he will, I can't imagine him moving.

He has all the assets to make a damn good fullback.

Does he have strength, size and speed? I'm looking forward to seeing more from him in 2012.
From what I can gather. The Dragons want to find a position for Style in the team. I guess that it may be No.1 but I'm not sure by any means.

 

[Godz Illa]

Bennett said Kyles future was in the halves and I would'nt argue with a genius . I think we should go with Goodwin and then bring Cummins into the role of Fullback the following year unless of course Goodwin makes the position his own.

His future is in the halves, for sure. Bennett said the same about Lockyer, who proved that fullback is a pretty decent pathway to a career in the halves

 

[gypsy]

Does he have strength, size and speed? I'm looking forward to seeing more from him in 2012.
From what I can gather. The Dragons want to find a position for Style in the team. I guess that it may be No.1 but I'm not sure by any means.

He has strength yes, is a great defender if you've seen him.

He's certainly quick enough, and provides a great ball playing option - far more natural than Darius' passing/kicking game. Plus being young, and suffering some injuries, less defence at fullback is a smart spot for him at this point in time.

As for the size comment, he'd have a good few kilos on Tomkins. A completely different body type as well, Kyle reminds me of a young Karmichael.

 

[Cagey Mac]

He has strength yes, is a great defender if you've seen him.

He's certainly quick enough, and provides a great ball playing option - far more natural than Darius' passing/kicking game. Plus being young, and suffering some injuries, less defence at fullback is a smart spot for him at this point in time.

As for the size comment, he'd have a good few kilos on Tomkins. A completely different body type as well, Kyle reminds me of a young Karmichael.

I see all of his FG games and some of his NYC and agree that he's a great defender. Front on near the line he's a bit vulnerable but who isn't. His scything legs tackles knock opponents over quickly and independently. This allows them to regain their feet quickly and play the ball. Because the tackle is completed so quickly additional tacklers can't come in and slow down the play the ball. Style may do some bin time because of this "flaw"
He may need to develop some new techniques for NRL if he's to hold down the #1 spot.
I agree with his passing game and natural attributes and he's great at sniffing out a try.

 

[possm]

Well then, maybe Brett Stuart will return home to the Gong!

There were also rumours yesterday that Brett Stewart, who also has a get-out clause, could leave Manly but Canterbury has not discussed the former Test fullback.

BrettStuart

 

[gypsy]

I see all of his FG games and some of his NYC and agree that he's a great defender. Front on near the line he's a bit vulnerable but who isn't. His scything legs tackles knock opponents over quickly and independently. This allows them to regain their feet quickly and play the ball. Because the tackle is completed so quickly additional tacklers can't come in and slow down the play the ball. Style may do some bin time because of this "flaw"
He may need to develop some new techniques for NRL if he's to hold down the #1 spot.
I agree with his passing game and natural attributes and he's great at sniffing out a try.

I agree with the flaw in his legs tackles, no doubt that's a disadvantage these days. I reckon as he develops and adds a bit more to his frame he'll be a decent up top tackler. The best thing about him I reckon is his guts, I remember him diving for a loose ball to score a try, there were legs and boots everywhere. I've seen him put himself in harms way a few times, and admire that. I compared him to Karmichael, because I remember when he came into grade he was very lean up top. We saw how damaging his kick returns became after he grew a bit.

Just looking at Kyle, he'll be up near the 90kg mark when he develops. I agree with the general concensus that he'll end up in the halves, but right now I think making 5 tackles a game at fullback as opposed to near 20 in the halves, might help him string some games together. Plus Hornby has to be there somewhere.

 

[Father Ted]

I think all that is pretty irrelevant, certainly looks as if Kyle will be given first shot at the fullback spot, and if he shines there which he will, I can't imagine him moving.

He has all the assets to make a damn good fullback.

Explain how it's irrelevant? He may play well at fullback he may not . But Players play better in their correct position always have always will.

 

[Father Ted]

His future is in the halves, for sure. Bennett said the same about Lockyer, who proved that fullback is a pretty decent pathway to a career in the halves

Agreed . Godz do you see him at Half or 5/8th?

 

[gypsy]

Agreed . Godz do you see him at Half or 5/8th?

Read my above post Ted. I've already explained.

I agree his future is in the halves, but I give reasons why I think he's best suited in the 1 next season.
He hasn't been able to string games together, less defence at fullback will help. His ball skills and creativity can still come to the fore. He has a good long kick, he can chime in at will. There's nothing stopping him from getting into first receiver occasionally just because of a number on his back. He's pretty dynamic, and I'd like to see him given some freedom.

The things that make him a good future halfback, he'll still get every opportunity to show from fullback. He was like a tampon last season, in for 1 week out for 3. I think protecting him a bit while he's developing is the way to go. Making 6 tackles at FB as opposed to 20 at HB is a part of that.

I'm also loathed to split up our halves combo that's netted us two minor premierships, a gf and wcc in three years.

 

[Father Ted]

Well we can agree to disagree I think we haven't seen enough of Goodwin yet not to be sure he'd be a better option. I think there's a few on here who have written Goodwin off as a player , me I'd like to see a bit more before I decide one way or the other. Not a better player without doubt Kyle is better ( in fact a future star) but at fullback I'm not convinced ? Cagey already pointed out a defensive weakness that might be exploited against us with him at fullback and while both players make me a little nervious under the high ball I think Goodwin might have him at this stage there as well , dodgy knees not withstanding . But I do take your point about protecting him. LOL I do hope Benny has refined his sheparding skills since last season.

 

[gypsy]

Hornby's shepherding was as subtle as a jackhammer haha.

I think Kyle with a roving commission can play like a third half, that's my whole point.
The main thing is getting him on the paddock each week.

Soward, Priddis and several others have backed him for fullback. As I said though, in time I agree he'll be a fine half.

 

[Father Ted]

I take your point but lets not underestimate the ball skills of a certain young hooker who I hope makes a home for himself in first grade next year.

 

[gypsy]

I can't wait to see King, hope he stays injury free.

Who would you pick in the 17 Ted, hooker wise?

 

[Father Ted]

I'd play King and Rein Both lack a bit of experience but you only get that from playing and I see next year as a bit of a rebuilding year. Besides best to do it now while they are surrounded by experienced people . Young is a living legend But I'd play him at lock and off the bench and Fein? Fien? was so out of form at the end of the year imo but I'd consider him as a back up for Hooker , Halfback. But not in the starting 17 first up unless he trials really well. And yourself?

 

[Bring back choc]

I can't wait to see King, hope he stays injury free.

Who would you pick in the 17 Ted, hooker wise?

Hands down I'd pick king. He's the man. I'll be very very disappointed if price opts for rein.
King has a more complete game. He's a superstar in the making. Also can kick goals.

Staring pack for me:

Weyman
King
Merrin
Scott
Creagh
Young

Bench: fien, hunt... ??? ???