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Quade

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Whilst it's disappointing to see him go about it the way he has, I'm also happy that someone is saying something. FFS Deans really needs to go and it's obvious that Cooper is speaking for the greater laying group. He's the fall guy and i actually think it shows courage for him to come out and vocalise what everyone else is thinking. Good on him I say. I'm happy as long as he stays at the Reds. Another thing - if Wallabies lose against the Boks and Pumas (which is quite plausible), Deans will hopefully get the sack...enter Ewen McKenzie and welcome back Quade!
 

Meth

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If the Wallabies have any pride, he won't be playing for them again.
 

ozbash

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Everything he is saying is true though.

Deans is a disgrace.

Mate, Robbie Deans is a f**king good coach. If he stayed here there is a good chance he would be coaching the ABs right now.

The coach isnt your problem.

Cooper is a wanker.
 

Meth

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Deans is a good coach. He's just used to working with a higher calibre of professional athlete. Australia hasn't produced a decent Rugby team for about a decade.
 
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Deans is a good coach. He's just used to working with a higher calibre of professional athlete. Australia hasn't produced a decent Rugby team for about a decade.
Yes he's a 'good' coach, but he's not great. He was in charge of one of the best provincial rugby teams in history when at the Crusaders; virtually a test team! Coaching at test level isn't about having higher calibre athletes - they are all as fit and strong as each other. Yes there are some who have special qualities but every country has a few of them...it's about getting your team to play together, trusting each other and the coach. It's obvious that they don't have faith in Robbie's game plans and selections. The majority of the public don't either. Give McKenzie a go. He's earned the opportunity and he let's face it - he can't do any worse. Now is the perfect time to start afresh.
 

ozbash

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Yes he's a 'good' coach, but he's not great. He was in charge of one of the best provincial rugby teams in history when at the Crusaders; virtually a test team! Coaching at test level isn't about having higher calibre athletes - they are all as fit and strong as each other. Yes there are some who have special qualities but every country has a few of them...it's about getting your team to play together, trusting each other and the coach. It's obvious that they don't have faith in Robbie's game plans and selections. The majority of the public don't either. Give McKenzie a go. He's earned the opportunity and he let's face it - he can't do any worse. Now is the perfect time to start afresh.

Your entire post contradicts itself.

Its not the coach, its the team.

Id say this crop of wobblies are about as good as they are going to get...
 
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Your entire post contradicts itself.

Its not the coach, its the team.

Id say this crop of wobblies are about as good as they are going to get...
The point i'm trying to make is that it is both the coach AND the team. Problem being that no one has faith in the coach. He's had enough time to close the gap between the AB's and ourselves...if anything that gap has widened. He was hailed as a supercoach and has proven he isn't. I don't think McKenzie is either but I honestly believe he is better than Deans. Regarding the players - sure they have issues, but we're playing with a 2nd and 3rd string side at the moment. Without Sharpe we would be in alot bigger shambles than we currently are. Let's wait for Horwill, Genia, Pocock, Moore, O'Connor and a few others to get fit and we'll see how we go. The playing group need a good leadership group. We simply don't have one at the moment. On top of that, they need to believe in and trust the caches game plan and tactics. They don't. It's a mess and both coach and players need to acknowledge this.
 

ozbash

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You havnt got a team capable of being built.

Aussie rugby needs help. Much the same type of help you dish out to us in league, nrl,,nswrl cup etc etc
 

Thomas

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Considering you could put together a rather good test team out of the injured players, I think Deans has done okay this year. Beaten the 6N champs 3 - 0. Beaten Argentina home and away and South Africa at home. A par year.
 
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Considering you could put together a rather good test team out of the injured players, I think Deans has done okay this year. Beaten the 6N champs 3 - 0. Beaten Argentina home and away and South Africa at home. A par year.
So you're happy with Deans and want him to stay?
 

Hooch

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He's good behind a strong side that picks itself to a degree.

Coaching the Wallabies is more like coaching the Mighty Ducks.

The lead up to the World Cup did it for me. He had a good two years to settle on a side and he constantly fiddled with it right up to the start of the tournament, including dumping his captain on the eve of it.

He can't build a side.
 

Hooch

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And the only reason he is there now is because the arseclown O'Neill extended his contract prematurely.

He's not going to be around for the next world cup so he should be moved on and someone else given a crack.

And Quade Cooper is an imbecile.
 

Thomas

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I would love to see Link as coach but that won't happen for another year or so.

Deans has a pass mark.

Wallabies ranked number 2 in the world
Came 3rd in the World Cup
Beat Wales 3-0
Beat South Africa 5 out of the last 6 times they've met.
Beaten Argentina at home.

On the downside, the Wallabies have lost to both Scotland and Samoa at home.

I really don't think the coach is the issue. It's the mental fragility of the players that has let us down. The silly kicks and dumb game plan. Dean's doesn't tell Beale and Cooper to chip kick while in their 22. Then you can look at the injuries. A massive toll. Would NZ have been unbeaten in the RC if they had lost a complete team of players from their roster? Probably not.
 
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