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Evil Homer

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Maybe Nui has set the stage for some one else to come in and take things to the next level
He did. And then when they tried to take things forward he wouldn't allow it and has been deliberately obstructing the growth of the sport for the past two years in order to try and cling to power. That is why I criticize Niu and the AMNRL, not because I have some sort of bias against him or for the USARL, because I don't, that organization has plenty of flaws too. I criticize Niu and the AMNRL because for the last two years they have been putting their own interests ahead of what they claim to be representing. And at any level, in any walk of life, that is unacceptable from a governing body.
 

Bronco Rob

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From a competition stand point, I think The Sharks are only being hurt by not being able to play against teams like the Fight, Slayers ect. We would run into the same problem if we were in the USARL, not being able to play against teams like the Bulls and Raiders. However, I don't want to come off like I represent The Sharks in any way, I just would really like to play a full competitive schedule against 8 different teams, that will all be solid matches. I don't want to play the same team 5 times in 16 months, and I don't want to play a schedule in which we play 3 noncompetitive over matched teams before we get a chance to play a real game. .

I wouldn't be surprised if every single player on both sides of the camp would feel that way and it would definitely be a detractor for players if the status quo remains in the coming years. Like I said it would be fantastic to see the 2 bodies merge to be able to have a premier grade and then one or two divisions below dependent of locality. This would raise the standard of the game in the US and from there only good things can happen through more sponsorship, fan base, more interest in the game etc.

Maybe we are looking at this whole thing from the wrong point of view. I keep hearing about these big problems such as no grass roots development, no school leagues, no feeder clubs ect that are holding the AMNRL back and somehow this is a result of Nui running the league. Perhaps, the AMNRL and USARL are the grass roots, minor league, feeders clubs. The grass roots developmental structure maybe already be in place. Maybe Nui has set the stage for some one else to come in and take things to the next level ;-). Clearly neither league is even close to a professional competition. Seems like Nui has put feelers out there, gauging interest in a professorial comp, seeing what kind of financial backing would be viable, but obviously nothing came of it. Maybe the sport is just waiting for the next dedicated person to try their hand. Just a thought. (before you know it alls pick that paragraph apart, I was just trying to look at things from a different perspective, not all doom and gloom and conspiracy driven.)

No there has been no junior development under David Nui's leadership in over 20 years but since the USARL have sprouted we have already seen development in this area because they know the value of development from the ground up, it's the only way to future-proof the game and make it sustainable. It also is the only way to proceed if the US want to compete against the top ten in the future, you need players who have grown up with the sport and learnt all the nuances and skills of the game. You can't just convert a bunch of ex-gridiron or Rugby Union players and have them compete with the rest of the world who have grown up with League. And I do say in the future because I know they are yet to have the resources and systems yet to have this in place. So to your point I think the USARL are equipped to either help or take over the helm to get the game to the next level, they seem to have the drive and vision and I have no bias against anyone just frustration at seeing the development of the game being hindered in a nation that has potential.
 
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Evil Homer

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who did he have lined up ?
Are you talking to me? He didn't have anyone 'lined up', that isn't the procedure. Niu doesn't want to operate democratically, he didn't offer any opportunity for change or for anyone else to talk things forward and when people tried to do so in spite of him, he cut them off and has been actively attempting to hurt them ever since. Sport cannot work as a dictatorship, it isn't Niu or anyone else's place to 'line up' a successor.
 

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Forgive me for my ignorence, but what is stopping the USARL from creating their own national team? I am sure that plenty of developing nations would be keen to play a USARL team.

This would also allow them.to put presure on the RLIF in the lead up to the next world cup that they are theUSA national team and let them develop their players.
 

gyallop

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They cant play another national team when the super league war was on ARL had same problem as Super League controlled NZ and UK leagues.
 

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He did. And then when they tried to take things forward he wouldn't allow it and has been deliberately obstructing the growth of the sport for the past two years in order to try and cling to power. That is why I criticize Niu and the AMNRL, not because I have some sort of bias against him or for the USARL, because I don't, that organization has plenty of flaws too. I criticize Niu and the AMNRL because for the last two years they have been putting their own interests ahead of what they claim to be representing. And at any level, in any walk of life, that is unacceptable from a governing body.


Your amazing. You have no idea how anything went down over here, with regards to the split, yet you act like you have the inside track.

I won't go into detail but there was a lack of transparency from certain crusade heroes about what was going on also.

The idea was probably the correct one in the way the league should be run. The actual act of getting to that point wasn't exactly rosy.

Certain people appear to be trying to go in the correct direction, there are certain people that may not be willing to work it out. You and many others would be surprised who falls under what category.

Personally, there are to many people in high places that don't so much look at what they can do for the game more for what the game may do for them in the future.

To many incorrect intentions.
 
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Your amazing. You have no idea how anything went down over here, with regards to the split, yet you act like you have the inside track.

I won't go into detail but there was a lack of transparency from certain crusade heroes about what was going on also.

The idea was probably the correct one in the way the league should be run. The actual act of getting to that point wasn't exactly rosy.

Certain people appear to be trying to go in the correct direction, there are certain people that may not be willing to work it out. You and many others would be surprised who falls under what category.

Personally, there are to many people in high places that don't so much look at what they can do for the game more for what the game may do for them in the future.

To many incorrect intentions.
Well then, enlighten us. Your allegations are at first, apparently, based on fact, then you shift to opinion. Your opinion is fine, just like everyone else's. But, enlighten us with the facts. Use names, expose deeds. If what say is true than you have nothing to fear. I don't want you to slander anyone, but if what you say is the truth....
 

Evil Homer

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Your amazing. You have no idea how anything went down over here, with regards to the split, yet you act like you have the inside track.

I won't go into detail but there was a lack of transparency from certain crusade heroes about what was going on also.

The idea was probably the correct one in the way the league should be run. The actual act of getting to that point wasn't exactly rosy.

Certain people appear to be trying to go in the correct direction, there are certain people that may not be willing to work it out. You and many others would be surprised who falls under what category.

Personally, there are to many people in high places that don't so much look at what they can do for the game more for what the game may do for them in the future.

To many incorrect intentions.
Did you read my post? I didn't mention the details of the split at all. If you know something that the rest of us don't which invalidates my points, then please share it. I'd love to know how you could defend dictatorial administration and the exclusion of players from the national team. Don't just come on here making vague comments, because we've seen that far too many times before from the AMNRL. TBH your last point pretty much sums up what I have been saying this entire time, so I'm not sure why you are trying to take issue with my post.
 
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pennpool

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Did you read my post? I didn't mention the details of the split at all. If you know something that the rest of us don't which invalidates my points, then please share it. I'd love to know how you could defend dictatorial administration and the exclusion of players from the national team. Don't just come on here making vague comments, because we've seen that far too many times before from the AMNRL. TBH your last point pretty much sums up what I have been saying this entire time, so I'm not sure why you are trying to take issue with my post.

My last point was aimed at both sides.

I'm not at liberty to name names. It's simply not my position to do so.

No 'dictatorial administration' is being defended but it should be pointed out that some people on both sides, possibly don't have the games best intentions at heart.
 

PacificCoastRL

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My last point was aimed at both sides.

I'm not at liberty to name names. It's simply not my position to do so.

No 'dictatorial administration' is being defended but it should be pointed out that some people on both sides, possibly don't have the games best intentions at heart.
Why are you not at liberty to name names. If you know something to be the truth than you have nothing to fear. If it's the truth, it's the truth. I guess you could fear retribution from someone who doesn't want the truth known. You had some pretty strong words in an earlier post that you want us to believe are fact...maybe it's just fiction.
 

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My last point was aimed at both sides.

I'm not at liberty to name names. It's simply not my position to do so.

No 'dictatorial administration' is being defended but it should be pointed out that some people on both sides, possibly don't have the games best intentions at heart.
Maybe so, but at the moment only one side is relevant. If the AMNRL were replaced by someone equally corrupt then that would be an issue that would need to be dealt with, but at the moment the AMNRL are the ones in power and their actions are directly harming the sport. I haven't mentioned the USARL, I'm not particularly an advocate of theirs any more than that they appear to be a better run organization, but this is nothing to do with some sort of comparison or rivalry between two parties. This is to do with the fact that the AMNRL, the current recognized body for the sport in the USA, is totally unfit for purpose, and that their actions at present are doing both themselves and the sport a disservice.
 

gyallop

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EH A fact is something that is true an opinion is what some thinks of an issue. Simply because someone forms an opinion doesnt make that opinion a fact.
 

Bronco Rob

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My last point was aimed at both sides.

I'm not at liberty to name names. It's simply not my position to do so.

No 'dictatorial administration' is being defended but it should be pointed out that some people on both sides, possibly don't have the games best intentions at heart.

If you know so much pennpool how about letting us know about what's going on at the moment? Or does this 'non-dictatorial administration' not allow it's stakeholders to be afforded any information?

It's got me absolutely flabbergasted that there has been not a skerrick of information come from the AMNRL. Surely they know of the speculation and inuendo that has been stated and if there was nothing to worry about why would they not come out and explain the situation? We've got a WC in ten months in which they are a part of.
 

Evil Homer

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EH A fact is something that is true an opinion is what some thinks of an issue. Simply because someone forms an opinion doesnt make that opinion a fact.
So you think that an organization that is run on the whim and for the benefit of one guy and his mates without anyone else being able to have a say, that makes decisions based on personal relationships and that blacklists anyone that tries to question the status quo is fit for purpose?

You are seriously trying to tell me that the AMNRL is a good organization and one that is suitable for running RL in a nation like the United States?
 

gyallop

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To apply your typical response where did I say that.

All I am saying is let's not confuse fact with opinion no matter how strong the opinion.
 

Evil Homer

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To apply your typical response where did I say that.

All I am saying is let's not confuse fact with opinion no matter how strong the opinion.
'This is to do with the fact that the AMNRL, the current recognized body for the sport in the USA, is totally unfit for purpose, and that their actions at present are doing both themselves and the sport a disservice.'

Since that is the only reference I made to 'facts', I had presumed you were replying to this and not just making a completely random statement.

What I'm stating are facts though. It's not my opinion that the AMNRL is a dictatorship, it's not my opinion that they blacklist people, these are facts that are available for all to see.
 

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So you think that an organization that is run on the whim and for the benefit of one guy and his mates without anyone else being able to have a say, that makes decisions based on personal relationships and that blacklists anyone that tries to question the status quo is fit for purpose?

You are seriously trying to tell me that the AMNRL is a good organization and one that is suitable for running RL in a nation like the United States?

To be clear, the league isn't run by one guy and his mates. It is run by a committee, with representatives from each club, Each club rep has voting power and a say in league matters. I don't really see how the league benefits Nui or how any of the decisions that have been discussed benefit him. So your opinions are based on very little fact.

Not sure if the clubs have any say in how the National Team is run, (i doubt it), The methods of eligibility and selection of the Tomahawks is BS. However, no one has ever explained to me how this team is actually picked, (nor have I asked anyone associated with the team). This is the area that I see the most fault in and is where most of my criticisms lay. (I wonder if this is ever discussed at league meetings)

I am also not sure about the clubs involvement, or the leagues involvement with any private entities. The only time I have heard Grand Prix or Star group mentioned is on this board. Again, I have very very first hand knowledge,
 

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To be clear, the league isn't run by one guy and his mates. It is run by a committee, with representatives from each club, Each club rep has voting power and a say in league matters. I don't really see how the league benefits Nui or how any of the decisions that have been discussed benefit him. So your opinions are based on very little fact.
Really? What do they get to vote on? Apparently not the ownership of the league. How many members of the 'committee' are not personal friends with Niu? These are genuine questions BTW.
 
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