The AMNRL no longer exist

[gyallop]

You already know the facts so why do you need to ask any questions?

 

[Poul]

I would much rather sponsor the American Youth Rugby League Associations U23 Competition, or the USARL.

AAMOI what sponsorships might you have available for the AYRLA U23 9s?

 

[pennpool]

Why are you not at liberty to name names. If you know something to be the truth than you have nothing to fear. If it's the truth, it's the truth. I guess you could fear retribution from someone who doesn't want the truth known. You had some pretty strong words in an earlier post that you want us to believe are fact...maybe it's just fiction.

Why are you not at liberty to name names? I think I was clear on that when I stated that it is not my position to do so, no?

 

[PacificCoastRL]

Why are you not at liberty to name names? I think I was clear on that when I stated that it is not my position to do so, no?

But if it's the truth...Oh, never mind...Good answer...you should get into politics.

 

[gyallop]

No EH should as frustrating and as fixated on the one issue he is I admire his skill of deflection and reflection in a debate...he would make a champion wrestler , no one can pin him down!

There is nothing to be gained by naming names on internal issues on forums , its very hard to verify the truth and if some one says something loud enough people whose only connection is what they read assume it to be fact.

This thread started with a statement of fact , the AMNRL no longer exist, and that was quickly correctly identified as a baseless opinion.

 

[Bronco Rob]

If you know so much pennpool how about letting us know about what's going on at the moment? Or does this 'non-dictatorial administration' not allow it's stakeholders to be afforded any information?

It's got me absolutely flabbergasted that there has been not a skerrick of information come from the AMNRL. Surely they know of the speculation and inuendo that has been stated and if there was nothing to worry about why would they not come out and explain the situation? We've got a WC in ten months in which they are a part of.

Pennpool, do you flick over some posts as you haven't replied to mine. I'm not having a go, I truly want to hear if you know what's going on seen you appear to have some knowledge of what's going on in the inner sanctum of the AMNRL?

 

[pennpool]

Pennpool, do you flick over some posts as you haven't replied to mine. I'm not having a go, I truly want to hear if you know what's going on seen you appear to have some knowledge of what's going on in the inner sanctum of the AMNRL?

I didn't ignore you rob. I was merely enlightening certain people that they don't know as much as they think they do. Again, I have no authority to comment on any of the actual goings on so I don't know why other people feel, even from so far away, feel they should be the leading voice on the matter.

 

[Evil Homer]

No EH should as frustrating and as fixated on the one issue he is I admire his skill of deflection and reflection in a debate...he would make a champion wrestler , no one can pin him down!

I haven't 'deflected' anything, only stated the truth, it's difficult for anyone to win an argument when they are clearly in the wrong and trying to defend indefensible issues.

 

[gyallop]

'This is to do with the fact that the AMNRL, the current recognized body for the sport in the USA, is totally unfit for purpose, and that their actions at present are doing both themselves and the sport a disservice.'

Since that is the only reference I made to 'facts', I had presumed you were replying to this and not just making a completely random statement.

What I'm stating are facts though. It's not my opinion that the AMNRL is a dictatorship, it's not my opinion that they blacklist people, these are facts that are available for all to see.

Deflection...the challenged "fact" AMNRL is totally unfit for purpose is now deflected to another set of opinions dressed up as facts to support the first "fact'

 

[gyallop]

Maybe so, but at the moment only one side is relevant. If the AMNRL were replaced by someone equally corrupt then that would be an issue that would need to be dealt with, but at the moment the AMNRL are the ones in power and their actions are directly harming the sport. I haven't mentioned the USARL, I'm not particularly an advocate of theirs any more than that they appear to be a better run organization, but this is nothing to do with some sort of comparison or rivalry between two parties. This is to do with the fact that the AMNRL, the current recognized body for the sport in the USA, is totally unfit for purpose, and that their actions at present are doing both themselves and the sport a disservice.

Deflection.

 

[gyallop]

So you think that an organization that is run on the whim and for the benefit of one guy and his mates without anyone else being able to have a say, that makes decisions based on personal relationships and that blacklists anyone that tries to question the status quo is fit for purpose?

You are seriously trying to tell me that the AMNRL is a good organization and one that is suitable for running RL in a nation like the United States?

Deflection

 

[gyallop]

I haven't 'deflected' anything, only stated the truth, it's difficult for anyone to win an argument when they are clearly in the wrong and trying to defend indefensible issues.

This itself is a deflection.

We all get your point , in your opinion Niu is corrupt and the AMNRL is a disgrace and shouldnt hold the sanctioning rights but you dont have to keep jamming that down everyones throat repeatedly at every chance.

I was actually trying to give you a compliment.

So given the depth of your passion for the USA game ( in my opinion based on your comments) are you intending to try to meet Niu at the RLWC and voice your concerns and give him some constructive help? Pennpool might be able to help arrange a meeting with his connections.

 

[Evil Homer]

What? In all the posts you've quoted I was responding directly to points raised. Do you know what 'deflection' is? It doesn't mean things you don't agree with or don't have any answer to.

Deflection...the challenged "fact" AMNRL is totally unfit for purpose is now deflected to another set of opinions dressed up as facts to support the first "fact'

No, they are not opinions. It's not an opinion that the AMNRL blacklists people, it is a totally indisputable fact that is clear as day to anyone who cares to look. It is not an opinion that the AMNRL is a dictatorial organization and trying to dispute this or play it off as an opinion or something I've made up is just an insult to everyone's intelligence, because anyone can look into the organization and clearly see that it is an autocracy. Maybe you need to go and read the dictionary and learn what 'deflection' and 'opinions' are before embarrassing yourself any further.

 

[Evil Homer]

This itself is a deflection.

We all get your point , in your opinion Niu is corrupt and the AMNRL is a disgrace and shouldnt hold the sanctioning rights but you dont have to keep jamming that down everyones throat repeatedly at every chance.

No, my opinion is that the AMNRL in its current form is not a suitable organization to run the sport in the USA. I couldn't care less who is in charge, this isn't a personal issue. And I will continue to raise the issue when relevant until it is resolved. As I've said before, I honestly don't care too much about the AMNRL's internal actions, at the end of the day they are still working to develop the sport and I could probably forgive their misoperation if they weren't excluding players from the national team. That's my issue, that they are actively victimizing and trying to harm another body (and by extension the sport) because of their own spite. If this stopped and control of the national team was handed to a neutral body then I would be quite happy for the AMNRL to go off and do whatever they liked.

I was actually trying to give you a compliment.

So given the depth of your passion for the USA game ( in my opinion based on your comments) are you intending to try to meet Niu at the RLWC and voice your concerns and give him some constructive help? Pennpool might be able to help arrange a meeting with his connections.

I doubt I would make much difference if Niu was unwilling to listen to the RLIF. But no, this isn't a personal issue, in fact it seems as though one of the major problems here is that Niu is unable to separate personal matters from the issues at hand, hence basing national team selections on 'loyalty'. I will continue to point out that what is happening is wrong, and if the AMNRL don't like the truth then they should do something about it.

 

[gyallop]

What? In all the posts you've quoted I was responding directly to points raised. Do you know what 'deflection' is? It doesn't mean things you don't agree with or don't have any answer to.No, they are not opinions. It's not an opinion that the AMNRL blacklists people, it is a totally indisputable fact that is clear as day to anyone who cares to look. It is not an opinion that the AMNRL is a dictatorial organization and trying to dispute this or play it off as an opinion or something I've made up is just an insult to everyone's intelligence, because anyone can look into the organization and clearly see that it is an autocracy. Maybe you need to go and read the dictionary and learn what 'deflection' and 'opinions' are before embarrassing yourself any further.

Yes a deflection is not dealing with the topic and like here throwing up a red herring by asking me if I know what the term means and then returning to a self serving circular reasoning by using an unproven point to prove a point. Two classic deflections in one short message.

 

[gyallop]

No, my opinion is that the AMNRL in its current form is not a suitable organization to run the sport in the USA. I couldn't care less who is in charge, this isn't a personal issue. And I will continue to raise the issue when relevant until it is resolved. As I've said before, I honestly don't care too much about the AMNRL's internal actions, at the end of the day they are still working to develop the sport and I could probably forgive their misoperation if they weren't excluding players from the national team. That's my issue, that they are actively victimizing and trying to harm another body (and by extension the sport) because of their own spite. If this stopped and control of the national team was handed to a neutral body then I would be quite happy for the AMNRL to go off and do whatever they liked.I doubt I would make much difference if Niu was unwilling to listen to the RLIF. But no, this isn't a personal issue, in fact it seems as though one of the major problems here is that Niu is unable to separate personal matters from the issues at hand, hence basing national team selections on 'loyalty'. I will continue to point out that what is happening is wrong, and if the AMNRL don't like the truth then they should do something about it.

If you dont like something have the courage to change it or your just another irelevant belligerent key board bore.

 

[Evil Homer]

Yes a deflection is not dealing with the topic and like here throwing up a red herring by asking me if I know what the term means and then returning to a self serving circular reasoning by using an unproven point to prove a point. Two classic deflections in one short message.

But I have quite explicitly dealt with all the relevant topics, and that is clear for everyone to see. If for some reason you mistakenly think that I have dodged or avoided any topics, then point them out and I will deal with them again.

If you dont like something have the courage to change it or your just another irelevant belligerent key board bore.

The truth is not irrelevant. I am not in a position to change the way the AMNRL operates. The only person who can do that is David Niu.

 

[deal.with.it]

EH, while I agree with a lot of your points, due to my personal opinion, you do have a tendency to deflect the true question and just re-state your opinions.
You don't actually know for a fact the organisational structure of the AMNRL.
The Sharks players have stated that there is an AMNRL committee (arguably consisting of Niu loyalists, but not proven) and each team is represented and can vote, and that the AMNRL have tried to regroup with the USARL, but they don't want to.
My personal opinion, not fact, is that Illfield and McGough have a lot to do with this.

Yes the T-hawks selection part you are right about, but this is hotly debated whether it is right or wrong. When you think about how many domestic players will actually be chosen in the WC, i think Niu is right to select the best 4-5 domestics from the AMNRL.

 

[Evil Homer]

EH, while I agree with a lot of your points, due to my personal opinion, you do have a tendency to deflect the true question and just re-state your opinions.
You don't actually know for a fact the organisational structure of the AMNRL.
The Sharks players have stated that there is an AMNRL committee (arguably consisting of Niu loyalists, but not proven) and each team is represented and can vote, and that the AMNRL have tried to regroup with the USARL, but they don't want to.
My personal opinion, not fact, is that Illfield and McGough have a lot to do with this.

You are missing the point, the merits or otherwise of the USARL administrators are totally irrelevant to this discussion. I'm not arguing for the USARL, I'm arguing against the dictatorial running of the AMNRL. If they have an elected committee that operates fairly and democratically then that is totally contrary to everything we have heard previously. If Niu wants to call his group of mates a 'committee' then whatever, that doesn't wash. Either way, I would be interested to know the nature of this 'committee' but so far we haven't had a response so we're just speculating. Like I said though, if you think I've somehow deflected or not dealt with any issues that anyone has raised then please point them out and I'll deal with them again. As far as I'm concerned that's complete and utter BS and a pretty pathetic attempt to take the discussion in a different direction and avoid addressing the issues at hand.

Yes the T-hawks selection part you are right about, but this is hotly debated whether it is right or wrong. When you think about how many domestic players will actually be chosen in the WC, i think Niu is right to select the best 4-5 domestics from the AMNRL.

There isn't any debate about whether or not it's wrong. I'm not talking about the World Cup squad, I'm talking about the fact that for the last two years, USARL players and USARL players alone have been barred from playing for the national team, despite the fact that they comprise the majority of the domestic playing base in the USA. National team selection should be done by a neutral, unbiased body and their duty would be to select the best domestic players from throughout the USA, not just the players that Niu deems are 'loyal' to him.

 

[PacificCoastRL]

Homer - don't even waste your time debating with these people. By the end of 2013 you will have been proven right. I can guarantee you that. A little birdie has told me some things, and I know I can take them to the bank. And before any of you ask - I'm not at liberty to say.