Organised crime and drugs in sport investigation part II

[magpie4ever]

You have to love Australia, our hero was Ned Kelly,everyone who is a crook is being victimized by the authorities. We love the underdog who cheated the system.

Okay nothing has been put on the table but it is obvious that things are not good at a more than a few clubs, so who do we turn on, the investigators.

We live in a strange world

Kelly (Irish) was and is a hero; because he argued his gang was taking on the pommy overlords - reading his letters he probably had a case. "SUCH IS LIFE".

 

[magpie4ever]

3 Players is nowhere near the hysteria that was expected to hit Manly, and all or some of those 3 might only be reserve graders

Reporter on Fox said at least one is a big name.

 

[Hooch]

ASADA are just trying to exercise the control over footballers that they do over Olympic athletes.

They're going to find that it's a totally difference scenario, and they have much less power. Olympic athletes basically cop the raw one from the AOC and everyone else. They have no power.

Ultimately this affair will be a blow to their credibility.

There are no grand revelations to come. They got briefed on the ACC report which centered around peptide use, and decided they wanted some of the glory.

That's all it is.

 

[El Diablo]

3 Players is nowhere near the hysteria that was expected to hit Manly, and all or some of those 3 might only be reserve graders

apparently not

big question is why is ASADA leaking information to the media yet they threaten Dave Smith with jail time if he opens his mouth?

could be someone at the ACC or in government too

 

[ceagle]

Reporter on Fox said at least one is a big name.

Did they say they were still being investigated or are expected to be charged?

 

[Miller was a legend]

3 Players is nowhere near the hysteria that was expected to hit Manly, and all or some of those 3 might only be reserve graders

Feel for guys. Particularly if high profile.

It's fugged being a fan

 

[Pete Cash]

That Manly one is a puzzler...if its not systematic how does ASADA know ? Did someone dob them in ? Did they import peptides and ASADA have been watching them ?

EDIT

Obviously unless they have failed a drug test but we would have heard about it

 

[Miller was a legend]

That Manly one is a puzzler...if its not systematic how does ASADA know ? Did someone dob them in ? Did they import peptides and ASADA have been watching them ?

EDIT

Obviously unless they have failed a drug test but we would have heard about it

ACC taps?

Wonder how long it goes back?

 

[ceagle]

That Manly one is a puzzler...if its not systematic how does ASADA know ? Did someone dob them in ? Did they import peptides and ASADA have been watching them ?

EDIT

Obviously unless they have failed a drug test but we would have heard about it

Who knows, but its a farce that this shit has been leaked to the media now the whole team will be painted guilty

 

[magpie4ever]

Did they say they were still being investigated or are expected to be charged?

The News Ltd reporter (not the author of the article) said at least one big name and it was reported ASADA had offered 6 month bans (take that with a grain of salt).

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...peptide-cjc-1295/story-e6frfgbo-1226595949936

Three players set to be targeted by ASADA over use of banned peptide CJC-1295

James Hooper EXCLUSIVE
The Daily Telegraph
March 12, 2013 11:00PM

Three Manly Sea Eagles players are set to be targeted by ASADA investigators over alleged use of a banned peptide.

THREE Manly players are in the crosshairs of anti-doping authorities over banned performance-enhancing peptide CJC-1295.

The Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority has told the Sea Eagles there is evidence to suggest three NRL stars face bans of up to two years.

ASADA has offered to reduce to the ban to six months in exchange for the players providing "substantial assistance".

At the Sea Eagles' Narrabeen headquarters yesterday, Manly coach Geoff Toovey maintained the club had no reason for alarm about any of its internal supplement programs or procedures despite being named as one of six NRL clubs under investigation.

But News Limited has been told Manly have been red-flagged by ASADA because three players allegedly sourced CJC-1295 away from the club's headquarters and without its consent or knowledge.

"We're one of the clubs named, so we're expecting (ASADA)," Toovey said.

"Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. All the players and the club are looking forward to playing football and getting it out of the way."

ASADA is expected to focus on the Sea Eagles in the next month, with Manly management instructed to offer its players the same deal 14 Cronulla players were presented last week.

Effectively, it is a six-month ban for an admission of guilt.

If players are prepared to come forward and co-operate under the "substantial assistance" anti-doping clause, they can plea-bargain a ban down to six months. Roll the dice and get found guilty and they risk being rubbed out of the NRL for two years.

Toovey maintained he had full confidence in the club's in-house supplements programs and procedures during the six-year period when sports scientist Stephen Dank was employed by the Sea Eagles from 2006 to 2010.

Dank says he never used performance-enhancing substances in the NRL.

 

[ceagle]

Substantial assistance? If all three admit guilt what do they need assistance with?

 

[Perth Red]

So I wonder if the players have any evidence the club lied to them about what they were taking? (Presuming they took something illegal of course). If not how are they going to prove they didn't know?

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

known knowns?

unknown unknowns?

better call donald rumsfeld.

 

[ceagle]

So I wonder if the players have any evidence the club lied to them about what they were taking? (Presuming they took something illegal of course). If not how are they going to prove they didn't know?

For the stuff to work it has to be injected 3 times each day. As if the players, if it did happen, wouldnt question something like that? Yeah the club should be at fault but the players should take some responsibility for it

 

[Loudstrat]

Think he is alluding to the possible scenario that would develop if we decided to stop drug testing in out code, not what is happening now.

Exactly. I also believe none of this would be unfolding if there was no PEDs being used at all in the NRL - the implosion of Cronulla would not happen for a start.

Criticism of others involved in this case is completely different. They aren't facing potential charges that could ruin their career.


And FFS , I've said one hundred times now , but people as stupid as you continue to ignore it.


I WANT DRUG CHEATS OUT! 2 YEARS IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME.

I WANT A FAIR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS

AND I WANT IT TO HAPPEN AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE WITHOUT COMPROMISING THE CASE


Get it ? You f*cking dunce.

No I dont. You are all on about bagging ASADA and the Government. You demand that it all be over within a matter of seconds, calling everyone incompetent - labelling it an anti NRL conspiracy. Clearly to anyone with a brain this will take a long time - and when the PED use investigation is over, there is the organised crime links and match fixing to be dealt with. Yet you demand this be fixed as quickly as it takes to play a f*cking computer game?

If you werent such a brainless twat you would realise this. That you reckon this is a Government conspiracy about the next election - yet crap on about players being innocent until proven guilty, proves 3 things:
1) You are a hypocrite
2) You believe there is nothing to find in this investigation, and
3) Your main motive is to stop the bad press that comes with it.

Mine, like ASADAs, is to do whatever it takes to rid the game of these bad elements. There is absolutely no f*cking way that you can say the same thing.

 

[Perth Red]

Substantial assistance? If all three admit guilt what do they need assistance with?

Maybe they are after the supplier and higher up the food chain?

 

[ceagle]

Maybe they are after the supplier and higher up the food chain?

but cjc wasnt illegal to supply until the govt put a recent ban on it after the scandal broke out

 

[Perth Red]

but cjc wasnt illegal to supply until the govt put a recent ban on it after the scandal broke out

Depends how you get your hands on it maybe?

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...r-doping-scandal/story-e6frfgbo-1226595910332

League bosses John Grant and Dave Smith to meet federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy over doping scandal

Andrew Webster
The Daily Telegraph
March 12, 2013 11:30PM

RUGBY league powerbrokers John Grant and Dave Smith will today square off with federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy over the ASADA doping scandal.

The game's chairman and chief executive have a round of meetings booked with numerous politicians in Canberra, including the Prime Minister's office and Opposition Leader Tony Abbott.

But it is the showdown with Lundy that is most critical as the NRL braces itself for further pain from the ASADA investigation that is expected to endure all season. Smith last met Lundy more than 10 days ago, and the heartache felt at Cronulla since then is certain to be discussed.

Yesterday, Smith said the NRL was working to support the Sharks - and confirmed the scandal was likely to spread to other clubs.

"The Cronulla players are part of an investigation that's under way," Smith said. "In the past four to five days we've seen a difficult situation for the Cronulla club, what we have done (is offer support). We are there for them right now."

Cronulla stood down coach Shane Flanagan and sacked four officials last Friday, leaving both players and staff in the lurch as they ponder the future of the club.

Smith said he thought the Cronulla board had acted decisively after conducting their own independent review.

Meanwhile, Lundy continues to come in for heavy criticism - even from within.

On the same day that her Labor Party colleagues savaged her during a caucus meeting over ASADA's handling of the doping affair, it emerged she had been similarly critical of the anti-doping agency over its handling of the Ian Thorpe drugs issue in 2007.

Lundy had blasted ASADA about its competence and processes after tests showing Thorpe had unusually high levels of testosterone were leaked to the media.

"ASADA's competence is now in question," she said in her capacity as opposition spokeswoman on sport. "This reflects badly on Australia's credibility and reputation as being tough on drugs in sport. ASADA's processes for investigations need to be crystal clear. For example, ASADA's ability to manage athlete confidentiality in accordance with the WADA code is once again in question.

"The public and the sport's community have a right to know that a proper process is driving the fight against doping in sport.

"It is a grave indictment on the processes and systems ASADA have in place when an athlete is forced to defend a violation that according to ASADA did not occur."

Asked if he was frustrated by the length of time of this current investigation, Smith said: "It's mid-investigation - it's not surprising that there's not a lot of fact. We're having to deal with a lack of information and a lack of facts. It's incredibly difficult. It's frustrating for me having to deal with it and frustrating for the fans and the people I've spoken to over the last couple of days."