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Rumoured Signings and General Dribble XIII

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hindy111

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Ideal for a year? Why?
Unless we can win the comp next year it would just be a waste of money.Same reason Gould cleared out guys who wouldn't be there when penrith are actualy ready to submit a genuine threat on the comp
 

Eels Dude

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Ideal for a year? Why?
Unless we can win the comp next year it would just be a waste of money.Same reason Gould cleared out guys who wouldn't be there when penrith are actualy ready to submit a genuine threat on the comp

Might teach some of our younger players to play with a bit of fire and passion for starters, which could be especially useful for a pack like ours which is lacking a bit of experience and an enforcer. Which older players did Gould clear out? He just got rid of Jennings, Lewis and Coote because they were taking up way to much salary cap space for what he deemed they were worth.
 

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Ideal for a year? Why?
Unless we can win the comp next year it would just be a waste of money.Same reason Gould cleared out guys who wouldn't be there when penrith are actualy ready to submit a genuine threat on the comp

because there's no one better available and we are thin in the forwards
 

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Might teach some of our younger players to play with a bit of fire and passion for starters, which could be especially useful for a pack like ours which is lacking a bit of experience and an enforcer. Which older players did Gould clear out? He just got rid of Jennings, Lewis and Coote because they were taking up way to much salary cap space for what he deemed they were worth.

and signed up brent kite for exactly the same reason
 

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Might teach some of our younger players to play with a bit of fire and passion for starters, which could be especially useful for a pack like ours which is lacking a bit of experience and an enforcer. Which older players did Gould clear out? He just got rid of Jennings, Lewis and Coote because they were taking up way to much salary cap space for what he deemed they were worth.
or he might teach them to put cheap shots on people during games then claim the nrl is trying to rub them out of the game when they get sighted for their actions (all while crying foul play when a fly lands on him).
 

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because there's no one better available and we are thin in the forwards

We've got heaps of depth in the forwards, especially in the middle where O'Donnell plays.

We already have to fit these guys into the top 17:
Mannah
Lussick
Mossop
Allgood
Moimoi
Terepo
Paulo
Paulo

Whichever of those miss out will be in Wenty with:

Ualesi
Santi
Alvaro
Ryan
Harrison

If O'Donnell could still play effectively on the edge (like Gareth Hock) then he would be a good signing, but we already have enough props/locks competing for the five or six spots in the top 17.
 

Craig Johnston

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We've got heaps of depth in the forwards, especially in the middle where O'Donnell plays.

We already have to fit these guys into the top 17:
Mannah
Lussick
Mossop
Allgood
Moimoi
Terepo
Paulo
Paulo

Whichever of those miss out will be in Wenty with:

Ualesi
Santi
Alvaro
Ryan
Harrison

If O'Donnell could still play effectively on the edge (like Gareth Hock) then he would be a good signing, but we already have enough props/locks competing for the five or six spots in the top 17.

a good example of where club supporters over-rate their own players.

i'm a massive fan of our next crop but lussick still has a ways to go before he's at rep level. terepo and tanginoa aren't established first graders yet. FF is on the decline and the rest (paulo santi etc) are either developing squad players that don't need the expectations we're lumping on them or just useless hence why we're getting rid of them.

LOD can still play on the edges, he's not visibily slower than any other chooks forward. he simply filled a role in their premiership side thanks to the derth of ESTABLISHED backrow options that they already have. he can play both roles and with mongrel.

it's too much to expect our young forwards to "learn the ropes" on their own
 

Poupou Escobar

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and signed up brent kite for exactly the same reason

Brent Kite has won two premierships as a key member of the squad and has never played less than 21 games in a season. He represents good value.

Luke O'Donnell has only twice played more than 20 games (2004-05) and is known for injuries and suspensions. He went alright this year (19 games) but compared to previous years it looks like a bit of a flash in the pan. There's a reason the Chooks didn't want to keep him.
 

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Brent Kite has won two premierships as a key member of the squad and has never played less than 21 games in a season. He represents good value.

Luke O'Donnell has only twice played more than 20 games (2004-05) and is known for injuries and suspensions. He went alright this year (19 games) but compared to previous years it looks like a bit of a flash in the pan. There's a reason the Chooks didn't want to keep him.

who gives a shit about 10 years ago, he played as much as brent kite did last season, and is equally as decorated at representative level if not more respected.

the chooks do want him,....on the chump change left over by SBW and minichello resigning. that says nothing about his ability, as neither does brent kite being "pushed" out of manly.
 

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a good example of where club supporters over-rate their own players.

Well mate, it's just as easy to overrate the players in other squads, especially when they win all the time. Look how we all overrate Justin Horo now that he's in a strong squad. At Parra he was gash.

i'm a massive fan of our next crop but lussick still has a ways to go before he's at rep level. terepo and tanginoa aren't established first graders yet. FF is on the decline and the rest (paulo santi etc) are either developing squad players that don't need the expectations we're lumping on them or just useless hence why we're getting rid of them.

We're not getting rid of guys because they're useless; we're getting rid of them because we have too many fringe players competing for spots when a better balanced squad has a clear separation between first graders and backups. We have a lot of guys who are too good to be backups but not good enough to be first graders. Luke O'Donnell will soon be in this category if he's not already.

LOD can still play on the edges, he's not visibily slower than any other chooks forward.

The edges aren't so much about speed as lateral movement, and LOD has been goneskis in that area for years. He hasn't played out wide since about 2009. Everyone would get past him just like they get past Fui (still a very quick forward) when he plays on the edges.

he simply filled a role in their premiership side thanks to the derth of ESTABLISHED backrow options that they already have. he can play both roles and with mongrel.

it's too much to expect our young forwards to "learn the ropes" on their own

We have a few experienced forwards: Moimoi and Smith have been around forever, and Mannah and Mossop have both played 100+ games. The only thing O'Donnell could teach them is how to be a merkin, and it (aggression) is not really something that can be taught to adults. Most of our young forwards are church boys. They just don't have it in them.
 

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who gives a shit about 10 years ago, he played as much as brent kite did last season, and is equally as decorated at representative level if not more respected.

the chooks do want him,....on the chump change left over by SBW and minichello resigning. that says nothing about his ability, as neither does brent kite being "pushed" out of manly.

The point is Brent Kite was signed by Penrith in March. Luke O'Donnell is still looking for a home for next year and it's nearly November. He's hardly in high demand except by fans of a club that is desperate for any signing whatsoever.
 

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Well mate, it's just as easy to overrate the players in other squads, especially when they win all the time. Look how we all overrate Justin Horo now that he's in a strong squad. At Parra he was gash.



We're not getting rid of guys because they're useless; we're getting rid of them because we have too many fringe players competing for spots when a better balanced squad has a clear separation between first graders and backups. We have a lot of guys who are too good to be backups but not good enough to be first graders. Luke O'Donnell will soon be in this category if he's not already.



The edges aren't so much about speed as lateral movement, and LOD has been goneskis in that area for years. He hasn't played out wide since about 2009. Everyone would get past him just like they get past Fui (still a very quick forward) when he plays on the edges.



We have a few experienced forwards: Moimoi and Smith have been around forever, and Mannah and Mossop have both played 100+ games. The only thing O'Donnell could teach them is how to be a merkin, and it (aggression) is not really something that can be taught to adults. Most of our young forwards are church boys. They just don't have it in them.

That is the biggest reason I feel he would be good value. We have some young forwards with some ability and size, and they have the potential to be aggressive (Darcy Lussick being the prime example). But perhaps having O'Donnell teach Lussick, Perepo, Tanginoa and Paulo how to physically dominate their opponents using aggression could take us that one step further.

I have a lot of respect for blokes like Mannah, Smith and even oldies like Hindmarsh and Cayless. But you need at least one forward who looks to dominate the ruck by either hitting hard in attack and defence (in his younger days, this role suited Fui to a tee) or being an absolute merkin. Most Premiers recently had at least one player in their squad fitting this description:

* 2001 had Ben Kennedy;
* 2002 had Adrian Morley (I would LOVE to have a bloke like this in the Blue and Gold);
* 2003 had Joel Clinton;
* 2004 Reni Maitua for the merkin and SBW for the physical dominance;
* 2005 had Bryce Gibbs as the merkin;
* 2006 had Tonie Carroll (and Neville Costigan early in the season);
* 2007 had Mick Crocker;
* 2008 had Josh Perry for the merkin and Anthony Watmough for the physicality;
* 2009 had Sika Manu;
* 2010 had Neville Costigan, Jeremy Smith and Beau Scott;
* 2011 had Anthony Watmough (and Steve Matai);
* 2012 had Jason Ryles for the merkin and Richie Fa'aoso for the physicality;
* 2013 had SBW for the physicality, Luke O'Donnell and Jarred Warea-Hargraves for the merkin.

In conclusion, I think we need a merkin or two.
 
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Nobody seems to have noticed last time I posted the question....so I'll ask again....from where are we getting the cap space required to (potentially) sign O'Donnell? Without offloading contracted players....aren't we right on the cap (or a touch over)?
 

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Nobody seems to have noticed last time I posted the question....so I'll ask again....from where are we getting the cap space required to (potentially) sign O'Donnell? Without offloading contracted players....aren't we right on the cap (or a touch over)?

Mate i don't think we are potentially signing LOD.
It's only forumites wishing we would that is driving this thread.
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If he was to come in order to teach a bit of merkin to the young church boys then I wouldn't mind him missing half a season through injury and/or suspension. This gives the churches a chance to step in every now and then and show what they have learnt without having the burden of doing it for an entire season.

The question then becomes whether what we pay him is worth half a season of playing plus a little bit of education for the younger boys.
 
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As long as the club factors in his 5 weeks suspension per year, plus 5 weeks of injury lay offs, I'd be happy for them to sign LOD for a half season if the price is right, though I suspect he'd want to be paid for the full year.
 

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Nobody seems to have noticed last time I posted the question....so I'll ask again....from where are we getting the cap space required to (potentially) sign O'Donnell? Without offloading contracted players....aren't we right on the cap (or a touch over)?

Release hayne???
 

Poupou Escobar

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In conclusion, I think we need a merkin or two.

It would be nice if they could f**king play too, plus actually make it on the field.

Carl Webb had plenty of merkin about him, as well as twice the ability of Luke O'Donnell.

Still got injured and lost all his fitness.

Lussick and Allgood both have plenty of merkin in them. Neither is a world beater but Lussick is better than O'Donnell and Allgood is at about the same level (as LOD).
 
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