Why ignore our history?

[Dennis Papaioannou]

Cat amongst the pigeons....

If WIN was to buy out St George Leagues Club, keep the colours, jersey, 6 games at Kogarah, but call the team the Southern Dragons, do they keep the 15 titles?

It won't matter because most of the fans will walk out.

 

[muzby]

It won't matter because most of the fans will walk out.

Most of the fans?

I’d say no..

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

15 Stg and 1 Stgi is correct..

It’s still 16 for St George..

Gone 180 degrees, I see.

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

Well there's no debate on your words "merger / JV." It is a JV. It is not a merger - never was.

Unfortunately people will make mistakes and call it a merger, that's OK because we are human and sometimes unaware. But there's no logic to persisting with the word merger when the difference has been pointed out.

Good, so there'll be no more of this 16 + 1 stuff, because that's how statisticians think when trying to deny us our history. We'll see how history pans out.

Then, there are so-called “journalists” who make the grievous mistake of using joint venture and merger in the same article.

As I’m sure you know, it’s either one or the other.

 

[muzby]

Gone 180 degrees, I see.

Not at all.. St George have won 16 premierships..

15 by themselves, one via their JV..

The current first grade licence has only won one, though..

 

[SaintPauli]

Cat amongst the pigeons....

If WIN was to buy out St George Leagues Club, keep the colours, jersey, 6 games at Kogarah, but call the team the Southern Dragons, do they keep the 15 titles?

Your just highlighting the complexities the NRL did not think off or prepare for. Big fail.for nrl.

 

[muzby]

Your just highlighting the complexities the NRL did not think off or prepare for. Big fail.for nrl.

I’m referring this one to my translator before I can answer it.

 

[Willow]

Most of the fans?

I’d say no..

So all of them?

 

[muzby]

So all of them?

Other way...

 

[Willow]

Other way...

It's all speculation, and little bit of fishing... I get that. But let's be fair dinkum.

Do you honestly think a new NRL franchise called the Southern Dragons owned by a Wollongong-based corporation would inherit a majority of the St George fan base?

Quite frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if your hypothetical has already been discussed and perhaps shelved for future reference. I sincerely hope not, because what a betrayal it would be to those supporters who have been here the longest.

 

[muzby]

It's all speculation, and little bit of fishing... I get that. But let's be fair dinkum.

Do you honestly think a new NRL franchise called the Southern Dragons owned by a Wollongong-based corporation would inherit a majority of the St George fan base?

Quite frankly, it wouldn't surprise me if your hypothetical has already been discussed and perhaps shelved for future reference. I sincerely hope not, because what a betrayal it would be to those supporters who have been here the longest.

May not inherit the entire legacy St George fan base but would take the majority of the current STGI supporter base..

Why do I believe this? A number of reasons, not limited to fan loyalty to the jersey & logo, which has strong pulling power.. Heritage, as you say..

In addition you have a supporter base that is accustomed to having games played down south.. 20 years of the JV means that there is now a generation of fans that have only known the Dragons as a part Wollongong team..

Add to that a further 18 seasons of Steelers and you have close to 40 years of 1st grade footy being played out of the gong.. Half a lifetime for the average punter..

I look at examples in that inferior code where they moved the South Melbourne Bloods to Sydney and the Fitzroy Lions to Brisbane.. Both clubs still have strong support down here, with new generations following family lines of support, even though the teams are based up north..

I even believe that the sharks will still have a strong following in Cronulla after they move them to Perth.. Even people from Bondi still follow the Roosters after they moved all the way from the Eastern Suburbs to Sydney City..

Ideally you don’t want it to happen as it would disenfranchise a number of people, but if such a situation arises, I believe a southern team would keep most of our current fan base..

 

[Saint_JimmyG]

May not inherit the entire legacy St George fan base but would take the majority of the current STGI supporter base..

Why do I believe this? A number of reasons, not limited to fan loyalty to the jersey & logo, which has strong pulling power.. Heritage, as you say..

In addition you have a supporter base that is accustomed to having games played down south.. 20 years of the JV means that there is now a generation of fans that have only known the Dragons as a part Wollongong team..

Add to that a further 18 seasons of Steelers and you have close to 40 years of 1st grade footy being played out of the gong.. Half a lifetime for the average punter..

I look at examples in that inferior code where they moved the South Melbourne Bloods to Sydney and the Fitzroy Lions to Brisbane.. Both clubs still have strong support down here, with new generations following family lines of support, even though the teams are based up north..

I even believe that the sharks will still have a strong following in Cronulla after they move them to Perth.. Even people from Bondi still follow the Roosters after they moved all the way from the Eastern Suburbs to Sydney City..

Ideally you don’t want it to happen as it would disenfranchise a number of people, but if such a situation arises, I believe a southern team would keep most of our current fan base..

You’ve really outdone yourself here, Sunshine.

 

[muzby]

You’ve really outdone yourself here, Sunshine.

Why’s that?

 

[SBD82]

Here’s a piece of history for the thread:



Obviously I know some of the bigger names. Would think that a couple of people in here would recognise many more than me.

 

[muzby]

Here’s a piece of history for the thread:

View attachment 33902

Obviously I know some of the bigger names. Would think that a couple of people in here would recognise many more than me.

How good does Langlands look in the Red W!?!?

 

[SBD82]

How good does Langlands look in the Red W!?!?

I like to refer to it as a Double Red V.

It’s a nice reflection of the fact that Wollongong supporters are twice as passionate.

 

[muzby]

I like to refer to it as a Double Red V.

It’s a nice reflection of the fact that Wollongong supporters are twice as passionate.

Interesting that this Wollongong team with those colours started in 1911..

10 full years of operation before St George (or is that St Veorge?) stole the colours and the design...

It’s time to bring it all home..

 

[SaintPauli]

Gone 180 degrees, I see.

100% correct. Now can someone explain it to NRL to show 16 titles to Stgi on their website.

 

[muzby]

100% correct. Now can someone explain it to NRL to show 16 titles to Stgi on their website.

I’ll do it..

 

[SaintPauli]

Please Do and post your reponse on this forum. Love to see it?

We may all use it. With your permission ofcourse Muzby.

Attentioned to CEO Brian Johnston?