How are Storm the most popular club?

[t-ba]

Can you explain what a bandwagon fan is?

By the way I'm a Man City, NY Yankees, All-Blacks, LA Lakers, Tampa Bay Bucs fan.....................................................................................................................

Often thinking about the Dude in China I knew who became a massive Arsenal fan.

In 2004.

Womp Womp.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

As opposed to getting them from the English Super League?

The problem with guys like you and Perth Dred is that you have your own narrow narrative but you pretend that you've got a broad view because it serves the purpose of your narrow perspective.

Let me put it in easy terms. There are 16 clubs, and the ESL if you like. Junior players are produced by these entities or their Junior bases or areas they are associated with. Some stay at these clubs but most move on to another club, or the ESL. You then get a mix of local produce, imported product and players you developed from an older age.

The problem with Melbourne is that they are a consumer of players and not a producer. When they start producing players from scratch from Melbourne/Victoria come back and talk to me about successful expansion.

 

[Perth Red]

Can you explain what a bandwagon fan is?

By the way I'm a Man City, NY Yankees, All-Blacks, LA Lakers, Tampa Bay Bucs fan.....................................................................................................................

Ask the 50k sharks fans who went to the GF but hadn't been seen before or since.

 

[Perth Red]

The problem with guys like you and Perth Dred is that you have your own narrow narrative but you pretend that you've got a broad view because it serves the purpose of your narrow perspective.

Let me put it in easy terms. There are 16 clubs, and the ESL if you like. Junior players are produced by these entities or their Junior bases or areas they are associated with. Some stay at these clubs but most move on to another club, or the ESL. You then get a mix of local produce, imported product and players you developed from an older age.

The problem with Melbourne is that they are a consumer of players and not a producer. When they start producing players from scratch from Melbourne/Victoria come back and talk to me about successful expansion.

I dont disagree that Victoria should be producing more NRL players by now, heck we have managed to produce 5 or 6 with no money and no team from WA in last few years. Problem lies in the out dated notion that it is the NRL clubs job to spend vast sums of money on jnr RL in the hope that 0.1% of them kids will come through and make it to the big time.
That's all well and dandy if you've got a pokie den that's got to spend a mill or two on grassroots to justify their evil existence but if you're a top tier professional sports business, funding kids to play the sport at a grassroots is not your role or your priority. Maybe we should be asking why the ARLC has done such a terrible job growing Jnr numbers in Victoria in the same way the AFL has done in NSW???
Storms job is to find the best 16 year old kids out there and turn them into NRL players, its hard to argue they dont do a good job at that. Be nice if they had a decent layer of 16 year old talent in Victoria to do that with but until the ARLC properly funds Jnr RL and increases participation nationally that wont happen.

 

[Jim Rockford]

Can you explain what a bandwagon fan is?

By the way I'm a Man City, NY Yankees, All-Blacks, LA Lakers, Tampa Bay Bucs fan.....................................................................................................................

A fan whose devotion to their team is solely dependent on the success (or lack thereof)of said team. Also, someone whose criteria for selecting a team to support is only if they are currently dominant and will continue to be dominant.Finally, someone who stops supporting a team when lean times hit and switch allegiances to whoever is the top team at the time.

 

[Canard]

A fan whose devotion to their team is solely dependent on the success (or lack thereof)of said team. Also, someone whose criteria for selecting a team to support is only if they are currently dominant and will continue to be dominant.Finally, someone who stops supporting a team when lean times hit and switch allegiances to whoever is the top team at the time.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I dont disagree that Victoria should be producing more NRL players by now, heck we have managed to produce 5 or 6 with no money and no team from WA in last few years. Problem lies in the out dated notion that it is the NRL clubs job to spend vast sums of money on jnr RL in the hope that 0.1% of them kids will come through and make it to the big time.
That's all well and dandy if you've got a pokie den that's got to spend a mill or two on grassroots to justify their evil existence but if you're a top tier professional sports business, funding kids to play the sport at a grassroots is not your role or your priority. Maybe we should be asking why the ARLC has done such a terrible job growing Jnr numbers in Victoria in the same way the AFL has done in NSW???
Storms job is to find the best 16 year old kids out there and turn them into NRL players, its hard to argue they dont do a good job at that. Be nice if they had a decent layer of 16 year old talent in Victoria to do that with but until the ARLC properly funds Jnr RL and increases participation nationally that wont happen.

Big rant about pokie dens again.

'You' as in the storm were sponsored by Crown, the biggest and most diabolical of the pokie dens for years.

And as for funding, how much money do you want the nrl to throw at Melbourne? Use the funds gifted to 'you' over the years by the NRL and news limited to invest in junior infrastructure.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

The problem with guys like you and Perth Dred is that you have your own narrow narrative but you pretend that you've got a broad view because it serves the purpose of your narrow perspective.

Let me put it in easy terms. There are 16 clubs, and the ESL if you like. Junior players are produced by these entities or their Junior bases or areas they are associated with. Some stay at these clubs but most move on to another club, or the ESL. You then get a mix of local produce, imported product and players you developed from an older age.

The problem with Melbourne is that they are a consumer of players and not a producer. When they start producing players from scratch from Melbourne/Victoria come back and talk to me about successful expansion.

The problem with you is you assume...

 

[soc123_au]

I dont disagree that Victoria should be producing more NRL players by now, heck we have managed to produce 5 or 6 with no money and no team from WA in last few years. Problem lies in the out dated notion that it is the NRL clubs job to spend vast sums of money on jnr RL in the hope that 0.1% of them kids will come through and make it to the big time.
That's all well and dandy if you've got a pokie den that's got to spend a mill or two on grassroots to justify their evil existence but if you're a top tier professional sports business, funding kids to play the sport at a grassroots is not your role or your priority. Maybe we should be asking why the ARLC has done such a terrible job growing Jnr numbers in Victoria in the same way the AFL has done in NSW???
Storms job is to find the best 16 year old kids out there and turn them into NRL players, its hard to argue they dont do a good job at that. Be nice if they had a decent layer of 16 year old talent in Victoria to do that with but until the ARLC properly funds Jnr RL and increases participation nationally that wont happen.

Darwin has produced more NRL players than Victoria. You are missing the point on what it means to produce players because you feel the need to mention the evil pokie dens at every opportunity. Kind of ironic from a supporter of a club that were sponsored by a f**king casino, but anyway.

An expansion club should be something for young local kids to aspire to play for, getting them to choose to play that sport over any others. Those kids are already rusted on RL players before the evil pokie money gets anywhere near them. Kids in Sydney and QLD dream of playing for their team from the time their hands are big enough to hold a ball. Kids in NZ dream of playing for the All Blacks, not because the NZRU ply them with pokie money, but because they are a gun team. Melbourne has a gun team, casino support yet Victorian kiddies grow up wanting to be fisted in the boggers or whatever it is they do in fumble ball. For such a successful team to have so little impact on stopping kids from playing a spud sport like alf makes them a failure as a proper expansion team. They should be ashamed and you should be ashamed too.

 

[Perth Red]

Big rant about pokie dens again.

'You' as in the storm were sponsored by Crown, the biggest and most diabolical of the pokie dens for years.

And as for funding, how much money do you want the nrl to throw at Melbourne? Use the funds gifted to 'you' over the years by the NRL and news limited to invest in junior infrastructure.

not sure you're point? I dont have a say in who sponsors the teams I support! Id rather we didn't have Crown sponsor us, or the betting company that sponsors my SL team.
No rant just pointing out that without pokie dens most of the NSW clubs Jnr activity wouldnt exist. Its not the NRL clubs revenue that's paying for these jnrs coming through Sydney areas.
The NRL has 'thrown' money at the NRL club, not rugby league in Melbourne. Hence why the NRL club is so successful and the grassroots isn't. Like I said it isnt the Storm's job to get kids playing RL.

So to answer that one. more, much more!

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Not 70s. Producing players doesn't mean the whole team are local players, it means that you have laid the groundwork for a club.

Melbourne are like a dairy farmer who buys all his cattle.

Well by that rationale the Raiders aren't that much different - the Storm have just been far more successful at it.

The Canberra Milk Farmers.

The last time the Raiders made the grand final in 2019 their team

Nicol Klokstad - NZ
Cotric - Cooma NSW
Croker - Goulburn NSW
Leilua - Sydney Metro, NSW
Rapana - NZ/Qld
Wighton - Orange NSW
Sezer - Sydney Metro NSW
Papalii - Qld
Hodgson - UK
Soliola - NZ
Bateman - UK
Whitehead - UK
Tapine - NZ
Simonsson - Sydney Metro, NSW (Harold Mats for raiders one season)
Guler - Sydney Metro, NSW
Horsborough - Qld
Lui - Qld

Cotric n Croker the only 2 who'd count as groundwork from the local juniors. Being a real narc though - none were from the ACT.

Not much different to the last time they won a comp in 1994. 1 from the ACT (Clyde), but will count Daley Mullins Croker n Furner for a grand total of 5.

Mullins - Young, NSW
Nagas - Northern Rivers, NSW
Meninga - Qld
Wiki - NZ
Nadruku - Fiji
Daley - Junee, NSW
Stuart - Queanbeyan Rugby Union
Pongia - NZ
S Walters - Qld
Osborne - Sydney Metro NSW
Furner - Queanbeyan
Croker - Crookwell, NSW
Clyde - Belconnen ACT
Westley - Qld
Hetherington - Who knows?

Yea there's junior leagues in the ACT - not being that stupid. But when it comes to buying players for first grade rather than breeding em - the Storm aren't alone.

 

[Perth Red]

Darwin has produced more NRL players than Victoria. You are missing the point on what it means to produce players because you feel the need to mention the evil pokie dens at every opportunity. Kind of ironic from a supporter of a club that were sponsored by a f**king casino, but anyway.

An expansion club should be something for young local kids to aspire to play for, getting them to choose to play that sport over any others. Those kids are already rusted on RL players before the evil pokie money gets anywhere near them. Kids in Sydney and QLD dream of playing for their team from the time their hands are big enough to hold a ball. Kids in NZ dream of playing for the All Blacks, not because the NZRU ply them with pokie money, but because they are a gun team. Melbourne has a gun team, casino support yet Victorian kiddies grow up wanting to be fisted in the boggers or whatever it is they do in fumble ball. For such a successful team to have so little impact on stopping kids from playing a spud sport like alf makes them a failure as a proper expansion team. They should be ashamed and you should be ashamed too.

Storm have done a good, nay great, job of lifting the profile of RL in Melbourne and giving something for kids to aspire to. That's their job done. They cant make kids want to play RL and in an AFL obsessed city they are never going to on their own.
Having Jnr clubs throughout the city, development officers in schools, kids carnivals, cheap regos etc etc is the job of the ARLC, and they are doing it badly. When they took over the VRL it became their responsibility. ARLC swould put less than $1mill a year into Victoria RL, AFL put 20 times that amount into NSW AFL grassroots. You reap what you sow.

Whilst not conventional the realty is the Storm are doing a cracking job at bringing players into the NRL. 22 of the clubs 32 man squad made their NRL debuts for the Storm. Compare that to a club with a lot longer existence, a massive Jnr catchment and massive pokie den like Eels who only have 15 players who made their NRL debuts with them out of their current squad.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

Storm have done a good, nay great, job of lifting the profile of RL in Melbourne and giving something for kids to aspire to. That's their job done. They cant make kids want to play RL and in an AFL obsessed city they are never going to on their own.

Whilst not conventional the realty is the Storm are doing a cracking job at bringing players into the NRL. 22 of the clubs 32 man squad made their NRL debuts for the Storm. Compare that to a club with a lot longer existence, a massive Jnr catchment and massive pokie den like Eels who only have 15 players who made their NRL debuts with them out of their current squad.

22 out of the squad is pretty impressive.

And Combined with...

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Especially for a side that's played sweet FA games at home in the last 2 years... that's pretty impressive too.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

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not sure you're point? I dont have a say in who sponsors the teams I support! Id rather we didn't have Crown sponsor us, or the betting company that sponsors my SL team.
No rant just pointing out that without pokie dens most of the NSW clubs Jnr activity wouldnt exist. Its not the NRL clubs revenue that's paying for these jnrs coming through Sydney areas.
The NRL has 'thrown' money at the NRL club, not rugby league in Melbourne. Hence why the NRL club is so successful and the grassroots isn't. Like I said it isnt the Storm's job to get kids playing RL.

So to answer that one. more, much more!

It is the storm's job to get kids to play rugby league, it is the reason they exist, every success they have creates new fans which creates new players. Without kids playing there's no players and so no club.

The storm are being propped up by other clubs as far as juniors are concerned. And seeing you believe it's pokie money paying for junior development at Sydney clubs it shows how hypocritical you are - you're quite happy to take those players developed by pokie money it seems.

 

[Canard]

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It is the storm's job to get kids to play rugby league, it is the reason they exist

This is in no way a piece of arbitrary criteria you pulled out of your arse to win an argument on the internet.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Well by that rationale the Raiders aren't that much different - the Storm have just been far more successful at it.

The Canberra Milk Farmers.

The last time the Raiders made the grand final in 2019 their team

Nicol Klokstad - NZ
Cotric - Cooma NSW
Croker - Goulburn NSW
Leilua - Sydney Metro, NSW
Rapana - NZ/Qld
Wighton - Orange NSW
Sezer - Sydney Metro NSW
Papalii - Qld
Hodgson - UK
Soliola - NZ
Bateman - UK
Whitehead - UK
Tapine - NZ
Simonsson - Sydney Metro, NSW (Harold Mats for raiders one season)
Guler - Sydney Metro, NSW
Horsborough - Qld
Lui - Qld

Cotric n Croker the only 2 who'd count as groundwork from the local juniors. Being a real narc though - none were from the ACT.

Not much different to the last time they won a comp in 1994. 1 from the ACT (Clyde), but will count Daley Mullins Croker n Furner for a grand total of 5.

Mullins - Young, NSW
Nagas - Northern Rivers, NSW
Meninga - Qld
Wiki - NZ
Nadruku - Fiji
Daley - Junee, NSW
Stuart - Queanbeyan Rugby Union
Pongia - NZ
S Walters - Qld
Osborne - Sydney Metro NSW
Furner - Queanbeyan
Croker - Crookwell, NSW
Clyde - Belconnen ACT
Westley - Qld
Hetherington - Who knows?

Yea there's junior leagues in the ACT - not being that stupid. But when it comes to buying players for first grade rather than breeding em - the Storm aren't alone.

You can comprehend English right?
As I said clubs are a combination of local juniors and imports nothing about 'breeding' juniors for the exclusive use of a club.It's a simple concept illustrated by your research, although your compression of geography and history needs work.

As I said, you're a pretender, you try to portray himself as broad minded but only to push your opinion which is narrow and unoriginal.

 

[Bring back John Fifita]

You can comprehend English right?
As I said clubs are a combination of local juniors and imports nothing about 'breeding' juniors for the exclusive use of a club.It's a simple concept illustrated by your research, although your compression of geography and history needs work.

As I said, you're a pretender, you try to portray himself as broad minded but only to push your opinion which is narrow and unoriginal.

I can comprehend both English and your bullshit.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

I can comprehend both English and your bullshit.

Goodnight

 

[Pantherjim.]

Ah f*ck em!

If Melbournians want to follow a team with no local juniors, mostly transplanted Queenslanders, New South Welshmen etc, purely because of “success” be my guest.

I’d rather follow a team who has endured the humiliation of the wooden spoon as well as the premiership winning glory years, simply because they have the best local talent nursery in the competition. Hence why I’ve followed them since the 1980’s when we moved to the area.

 

[Dodgy]

Listening to Whateley and Dwayne Russell on SEN Melbourne laying the boots into the nrl for allowing the PF/AFL GF clash was reason enough for me to actually go against Melbourne at any possible opportunity.