08 :: R16 MNF :: Raiders 24 Sharks 36 @ Canberra

[Timmah]

Not doubting or questioning your passion - I can see you have plenty (despite Bazal's funny yet cruel analysis), just sick of seeing the ref's copping it. They've always stuffed it up in one way or another for 100 long and painful years... I don't know why anyone expects it to change. I also don't think passion for your club is solely arguing til you're blue in the face about refereeing only... there's plenty more to passion than just that.

 

[skeepe]

Not doubting or questioning your passion - I can see you have plenty (despite Bazal's funny yet cruel analysis), just sick of seeing the ref's copping it. They've always stuffed it up in one way or another for 100 long and painful years... I don't know why anyone expects it to change. I also don't think passion for your club is solely arguing til you're blue in the face about refereeing only... there's plenty more to passion than just that.

I can agree with that. But facts are facts - Hampstead blundered out there tonight. I know it, Neil Henry knows it, and by the sounds of it even Robert Finch knows it. I realise it's not exclusive to the Raiders, but every damn week... the most frustrating thing is, over the last 4 weeks, the Raiders have done basically nothing different, yet have had penalty counts of 9, 0, 2 and 8 against them through nothing other than different interpretations. I really just don't understand it.

Great to see that you acknowledge that people like me are great for the game (although perhaps a tad less prone to ranting and raving, of course)... bloody hell, anybody who braved the frankly horrific conditions out there tonight is as passionate as they come.

 

[Timmah]

I can agree with that. But facts are facts - Hampstead blundered out there tonight. I know it, Neil Henry knows it, and by the sounds of it even Robert Finch knows it. I realise it's not exclusive to the Raiders, but every damn week... the most frustrating thing is, over the last 4 weeks, the Raiders have done basically nothing different, yet have had penalty counts of 9, 0, 2 and 8 against them through nothing other than different interpretations. I really just don't understand it.

Great to see that you acknowledge that people like me are great for the game (although perhaps a tad less prone to ranting and raving, of course)... bloody hell, anybody who braved the frankly horrific conditions out there tonight is as passionate as they come.

I'm still filthy on the Bean for costing us a try in Round 13 against Newcastle... that put a massive dent in our confidence and I know we didn't play well after it but that decision became a 12-point turn around... instead of being 2 up we ended up 10 down. Really frustrating but refereeing does that. They make mistakes that cost teams opportunities. At the end of the day the boys lacked the heart to go on with the job and Newcastle got the bikkies. Moving on... next week is another game. Imagine being a 'Dogs fan right now? :crazy:

On the conditions point, more of an anecdote... I'll never forget the night we played your mob in the semis in 2006. It poured exclusively for the 80 minutes and absolutely no time outside that. It was overcast and damp pre-match with no rain, it stopped at halftime, then poured until the 80th minute. I remember crouching under a blanket but it was worth it to see the team win a semi. 9631 sounded like a decent effort in the condition, better whether would've seen 13-14k, would've been a decent roles. Can't control the weather though

 

[VictorTheViking]

1. Benefit of the doubt goes to the attacking team, in this case it was the sharks.
2. They didn't show many replays on the coverage, not sure on this occasion .
3. Very stupid thing for Misi to do...
4. Didn't the Raiders player knock it out of his arms, then hit it into touch?
5. No you couldn't have been able to see if that was a try to Covell, it happened to quickly for anyone to accurately judge.

And there were clear forward passes for the Raiders first couple of tires...

Curiously, how can the sharks be attacking when they didnt have the ball to begin the play? Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team shouldn't even come into it given they didnt have the ball and were defending when the alleged (I say this because there was three sharks in there and couldnt see sh*t) incident happened.

Im miffed about the try to covell too, since when does having a hand on the side of the ball constitute downward pressure?

sh*t happens, we didnt deserve to win anyway, and even if you'd taken that covell try out, we'd have lost because of his kicking.

 

[Sea Eagle Scuba]

:lol: At skeepe thinking paranoid delusion is passion....

:lol: at the last ten minutes of this thread.

Funny analogy by Bazal. Timmah trying to be reasonable with Skeepe, when at the end of the day, not sugarcoating anything, he's the biggest f*cking crybaby on LU, and will be for a long long time yet. :lol:

 

[BWNB]

Curiously, how can the sharks be attacking when they didnt have the ball to begin the play? Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team shouldn't even come into it given they didnt have the ball and were defending when the alleged (I say this because there was three sharks in there and couldnt see sh*t) incident happened.

Im miffed about the try to covell too, since when does having a hand on the side of the ball constitute downward pressure?

sh*t happens, we didnt deserve to win anyway, and even if you'd taken that covell try out, we'd have lost because of his kicking.

Because they were in the Raiders half.

 

[Timmah]

Unfortunately he's right Victor, it's judged on the attacking half of the field, not who has the ball per se.

 

[Frailty]

Curiously, how can the sharks be attacking when they didnt have the ball to begin the play? Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team shouldn't even come into it given they didnt have the ball and were defending when the alleged (I say this because there was three sharks in there and couldnt see sh*t) incident happened.

Im miffed about the try to covell too, since when does having a hand on the side of the ball constitute downward pressure?

sh*t happens, we didnt deserve to win anyway, and even if you'd taken that covell try out, we'd have lost because of his kicking.

Attacking team is the team with territorial advantage. Cronulla had that throughout the entire sequence.

 

[skeepe]

Unfortunately he's right Victor, it's judged on the attacking half of the field, not who has the ball per se.

That really is an antiquated ruling. It has no place in the game anymore. That said, thems the rules and you gotta play by them. I still think that it was a clear-cut strip though.

 

[Frailty]

That really is an antiquated ruling. It has no place in the game anymore. That said, thems the rules and you gotta play by them. I still think that it was a clear-cut strip though.

I don't think there was any conclusive evidence to say it was or wasnt stripped. Benefit of the doubt was applied correctly in my opinion.

 

[coolumsharkie]

That really is an antiquated ruling. It has no place in the game anymore. That said, thems the rules and you gotta play by them. I still think that it was a clear-cut strip though.

ha ha you lost.

 

[Raider_69]

A few points imo

1. How they awarded that 2nd try is beyond me, hands all over the ball, that is surely enough doubt to rule no try. It was a disgraceful call.
2. Missi's shot was cheap and nasty, he should get 4-6 weeks for it imo
3. Covell's try was good, i was in Bay72 and saw it as it happened, immeidately my impression was he got it down in time. Replays imo showed he did. Nice effort
4. How did they rule knock on to justin carney when it was stripped him his hands? It should have been play on and id like to see the replay again but if it was play i dont think anyone grounded it until a raider after it bobled around in the in goal for about 10 seconds
5. The sharks got so many soft penalties i dont know where to begin, we were in control of the game, 12-0 and Hampstead gives them 3 VERY soft penalties, they score, the following set the justin carney strip... all of a sudden the sharks are in control and never really lost it from there

6. Bretty Kelly is rubbish

 

[Russell Crowe's Band]

Yeah kelly was ordinary. you guys missed monaghs for sure.

i think beans key moment was the set where we had 3 tackles infront of the posts and when about a meter. then he penalised you. got us out of jail. i think we then got another penalty for a high schot and then went and scored. its rare you see that as the away team.

but you still had ample opportunities at our line after good bombs from carney that we messed up.

 

[Raider_69]

Definitely RCB, we had our chances and in the end as Todd Carney said, we didnt capitalise but the fact we had to chase down more points then we should have only increased the pressure.

the turning point for mine was Brett Kelly bombing a try to make it 22-24 with a kick to come by not passing to an unmarked Bronx Goodwin, and then the next set the sharks score, and if im not mistaken the try was through brett kelly's misread in defence.
12 point turn around there... and thats the winning margin

 

[Jobdog]

Curiously, how can the sharks be attacking when they didnt have the ball to begin the play? Benefit of the doubt to the attacking team shouldn't even come into it given they didnt have the ball and were defending when the alleged (I say this because there was three sharks in there and couldnt see sh*t) incident happened.

Im miffed about the try to covell too, since when does having a hand on the side of the ball constitute downward pressure?

sh*t happens, we didnt deserve to win anyway, and even if you'd taken that covell try out, we'd have lost because of his kicking.

Unfortunately Victor, that's the problem with rugby league these days. There are too many grey areas in the game. Scoring tries, knock ons, strips being referred to video referees, the list goes on. All you need is to have a fingernail on the ball, not necessarily in control of it and it'll be awarded a try. I think that is the reason why people are starting to turn away from rugby league and support other sports such as rugby union |), the A-league and I suppose you could even throw AFL into it. One way the NRL can bring crowds back is to use common sense to most rulings and remove the above-mentioned grey areas in the game.

 

[*Paul*]

Jobdog, you have summed it up well. I was in the stand last night thinking "I'm sick of this, I just can't be bothered with it any more". The soft high tackles, the random yes-no strips, the no control tries, the golden point, the constant video reffing, the knockons are allowed if you're not playing at them, the union style play on after a knock then come back to it anyway, the interminable lecture after minor scuffles etc. etc, it just wears you down. And they're adding to each year, now we have this clinic at the scrum, christ knows what they'll think of next.

 

[Knights_Premiers]

It funny the Raiders fans make a list of all the calls that went against them in the game. They weren't good enough and they lost, it's as simple as that.

 

[cupid]

Who would of thought a Sharks vs Raiders game would be exicting?

 

[African Monkey]

It always had the makings to be a great game and last night it lived up to all the hype.

 

[no name]

Misi cleared by MRC.
Neil Henry facing a 10G fine.