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'12 | R2 | Fri | Broncos 26-28 Cowboys | Suncorp

Round 2 result: Broncos v Cowboys


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Big Pete

Referee
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Corey Parker had a shocker? Really? That 140+m, 33 tackles & 10pts defines the word "shocker"? Parker was close to Brisbane's best.

Some are harsh judges.

By his own standards definitely.

Made some crucial mistakes and some silly passes, miss timed a lot of his runs and his mistakes in defence lead to 3 tries to the Cowboys.
 

typicalfan

Coach
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Corey Parker had a shocker? Really? That 140+m, 33 tackles & 10pts defines the word "shocker"? Parker was close to Brisbane's best.

Some are harsh judges.
Is there a stat that records rolling the red carpet out for the attacking player to stroll through? He would get a few of them.

Stats don't tell the story, he was average.
 

AuDragon

Juniors
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Corey Parker had a shocker? Really? That 140+m, 33 tackles & 10pts defines the word "shocker"? Parker was close to Brisbane's best.

Some are harsh judges.
He worked as hard as always, had his kicking boots on, but made crucial mistakes that led directly to Cowboys tries.

The main problem with the refs is consistency. The criteria for the penalties against the Broncos in the first half that gave the Cows a leg up, disappeard in the second half against the Cows.

Regardless, I don't like using the refs as scape goats, and the Broncos players have to shoulder the responsibility for the loss with some very ordinary defense in the middle of the ruck.
 

Kiwi

First Grade
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I prefer not to dwell on any negatives from that game, there were not many and it was one hell of a game. The cowboys are definate title contenders if they keep that form going. The broncos can definately build on this and improve. Norman and Wallace are showing some good signs that they can form a strong halves partnership.
 

typicalfan

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He worked as hard as always, had his kicking boots on, but made crucial mistakes that led directly to Cowboys tries.

The main problem with the refs is consistency. The criteria for the penalties against the Broncos in the first half that gave the Cows a leg up, disappeard in the second half against the Cows.

Regardless, I don't like using the refs as scape goats, and the Broncos players have to shoulder the responsibility for the loss with some very ordinary defense in the middle of the ruck.
I agree with this, there is no point blaming the ref when your own side makes enough mistakes to lose the game. A bit like the Sharks last week, despite a few dodgy calls they got the opportunity to win in GP and didn't take it, Tigers did. It kind of makes the argument that the refs cost you the game redundant.
 

chrisD

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The main problem with the refs is consistency. The criteria for the penalties against the Broncos in the first half that gave the Cows a leg up, disappeard in the second half against the Cows.

That's crap, in the second half when the Broncos weren't camped on the Cows tryline on the back of all but 1 (third mans milking failure) of the 50/50 calls they were strolling 10m before a Cows defender would touch them and then playing the ball far faster than is the norm.
 

beads6

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Corey Parker had a shocker? Really? That 140+m, 33 tackles & 10pts defines the word "shocker"? Parker was close to Brisbane's best.

Some are harsh judges.

While others watched the game you clearly just followed the stats on NRL.com :crazy:
 

Big Pete

Referee
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I agree with this, there is no point blaming the ref when your own side makes enough mistakes to lose the game. A bit like the Sharks last week, despite a few dodgy calls they got the opportunity to win in GP and didn't take it, Tigers did. It kind of makes the argument that the refs cost you the game redundant.

Just to be clear I don't think anyone is blaming the refs. for the result.

In fact I think it's a cop-out when fans blame the referees. But beave brought up the Thaiday knock on call and I thought I'd indulge myself. I thought there were some interesting decisions and I completely disagree that the ref. let the game flow - anything over 10 penalties means the ref. had to go to the whistle too much.

But really, there were contentious calls both ways. I raised most of the Broncos ones but from a Cowboys perspective they were hard done by with the Winterstein knock on which looked like a strip. from Wallace, Hoffman could have been pulled up for making a mess of a clearing kick late in the game and Norman may have held Bowen off the ball (although I don't know how the video ref. could have ruled on that one, tough to argue intentions).

In the end it was a good game of football and the Cows just wanted the result more. Some very good signs for them, in particular Thompson & Tamou who impressed me with a couple of strong touches.
 

typicalfan

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Yeah I was making a general comment, the Tigers v Sharks example was probably the best that springs to mind maybe aimed more at coaches who do it than fans. Furner was the same, Raiders play smart in the last 5 minutes then they don't lose.
 

wibble

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Yeah I was making a general comment, the Tigers v Sharks example was probably the best that springs to mind maybe aimed more at coaches who do it than fans. Furner was the same, Raiders play smart in the last 5 minutes then they don't lose.

Well your "general comment" sounds like a dig at Sharks fans for being justifiably upset at their team being denied another chance to wrap up or stuff up the game on their own merits.

Your argument that "the refs cost a team the game argument is redundant" is redundant; just because people don't fully qualify every statement with something like "well, my team had a player wrongly sent off, 2 fair tries disallowed and the opposition were given two tries, but we did drop the ball once and if we'd held onto it we might not have lost by 1, so really even though multiple factors contribute to a game and I'm justifiably aggrieved at the referee's performance, we have to acknowledge our game wasn't perfect" doesn't mean that fans can't be concerned at the fairness their team is being given in a close competition, when they have a few games in a season influenced by poor decisions.

Obviously there are elements of confirmation bias (only seeing things that agree with your view) and disconfirmation bias (not seeing things that oppose your view) when we discuss refereeing, but if referees could remain genuinely unbiased themselves (and if they could home team advantage would mean a lot less) then there would be no point in coaches discussing refereeing. They would ask players to concentrate on the one thing they can control (their own performances) rather than ask referees to scrutinize their decisions. But since referees are not inhuman decision making machines, coaches (and fans expect them to via forums etc) do pressure them to get decisions right (at least when wrong decisions would go against their team).

In regards to this game, I thought the refereeing was pretty good. I don't think Griffin (from the press conference) was thrilled with the benefit of the doubt decision, but was able to accept it. His concerns were the soft Broncos defense, but I do think the Cowboys attack contributed as much as the Broncos defense (except maybe Parker's miss on Bowen at the end).

The Cowboys looked better at their best, and worse at their worst, than the Broncos. JT and Bowen are stupidly dangerous in attack with just a few chances, but the Cowboys dropped it a lot still trying to get those chances.

A lot of poor wing and fullback play in the game leading to tries- it is remarkable how often fullback/winger errors result in tries.

The Broncos look like 80% of an almost unstoppable team. They just need some experience, spark, and direction to get there (in other words, another Lockyer- or Wallace to really step up as has been noted here). But I don't think anyone doubts they will get there if they can keep the team together for a few years.
 

Desert Qlder

First Grade
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Just managed to catch a replay of the match after avoiding the result for 24 hours.

A solid performance built on the work of the front row rotation. Still plenty of elements of ill-discipline with the ball in hand evident again in this match, but this is really the only negative that can be drawn. North Queensland were overall the better side for the majority of the match, and deserved the victory. That's not to take anything away from Brisbane. They moved the ball well and their young players are stepping up in the absence of Lockyer. Peter Wallace is a good link man and his touches in a couple of their tries were classy.

All that said, when the side was not making errors, the NQ forwards laid a terrific platform for the rest. The charges from Scott, A Sims and particularly Tamou were relentless and far more effective than their Bronco counterparts. The domination of this side of the came came in contrast to Brisbane's willingness to move the ball around more. In the end, the North Queensland approach was more effective. Tamou is on the way to becoming a premier prop in the game. His swift progression and maturity level are evident. No longer are we seeing a young hothead out there, rather a young bull who isn't shirking the workload. I thought he was hard done by not getting Man of the Match.

Others to stand out for mine was Cooper, particularly in defense, but he still runs good lines for Thurston that ask questions of the defense. Payne and Segs made a terrific contribution with their combination this week, their service allowed the forwards to do their work effectively. Thompson was lively also, a couple of jinking runs caught the defense off guard, and his tackling was superb as usual. He's still criminally under-utilised, in all facets of attack and in sharing the kicking duties. Lastly, Tate was a rock, and he obviously recovered from the rib injury well, showing no ill-effects.

Thurston is still looking dusty, but had some nice touches. He's come out of the blocks slow so far this season but I'm not particularly concerned. Especially when Bowen is looking so dangerous. I'm sure opposition defenses fancy themselves at shutting down those two but they still have a few tricks in the bag. We can only hope Bowen continues to lurk like he did last night and that his pace is allowed to flourish. Bloody hell it's marvellous watching him at full flight.

The only problem I had with this game was the period from the Gash bomb try through to about the 55 minute mark. We were particularly poor during this period and if Brisbane hadn't been so ill-disciplined they would have blown us away. It's a brutal assessment. But it's these periods that will cost the club dearly against quality opposition. Truly speaking we were lucky to win the game. When the side is good, they can be quite dominant, as they were for most of the match. But when they are bad, they are absolutely insipid and so far behind the opposition. This period basically cost us a clear 18 points, with a bombed try and two for the Broncs. It was our night though last night, with a number of pieces of luck, so it didn't cost us in the end. But luck is not always going to be on our side.

Ashley Graham bombed a certain try. Would Kalifa have done the same? That's all I'll say about that.

It was good to again beat Brisbane at home, they sure have some unlikeable players. Much can be taken from the match. But so much work needs to be done about the attitude towards ball control.
 

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