14 six again restarts against the Dragons

[Dragons4me]

I know it's only early days with this but if the league don't find a way to explain it and make it clear to everyone then it's a game killer.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Poor discipline?

 

[hewi]

Poor discipline?

Maybe players not fit enough and trying to slow down the play the ball. Only a trial of mainly backup forwards so next week is the big test against the bunnies, however if we do this then it will be very very ugly.

 

[muzby]

Poor discipline.

Too many blokes trying to McInness it out there yesterday.

No one to blame but ourselves.

 

[jeffdragon]

Sometimes refs go overboard.
So parra didn't do it?
Of course they did.
The camera was focused on the play,.couldn't see the ref many times rule 6 again .

 

[Dragon David]

Sometimes refs go overboard.
So parra didn't do it?
Of course they did.
The camera was focused on the play,.couldn't see the ref many times rule 6 again .

I wonder if many other teams in the coming up trial games will have one team pinged more than the other as a form of practise thing for the refs. It was just so amazing to see us pinged so much and overall took its toll against us. I think we got pinged more than the Sharks in the first trial as well. If we are genuinely making this mistake then our coaching staff better start looking at ways to reduce this indiscretion immediately.

 

[epDragon62]

Hook has probably gone into the refs and said "I want you to ping my blokes for 6 again repeatedly so the know the pain it causes and helps them build physical resilience..."; no?

 

[SnowDragon]

Problem I had watching is that I had no idea on why they made the calls most the time. I heard a call for hand on the ball once, and assume a few were slowing the play the ball, but as a spectator I didn’t see much difference between the sides... maybe decent commentators and better filing/production will help?

as long as the team knows why and they can address it, then this is what trials are for.

 

[Reddragon]

The rule has a lot of rugby about it. The whistle is blown but no one knows really why. Thought this last season too.
It's good if it opens the game up, but if it's unbalanced, like in this trial, it can destroy a game too.

 

[Dragons4me]

Problem I had watching is that I had no idea on why they made the calls most the time. I heard a call for hand on the ball once, and assume a few were slowing the play the ball, but as a spectator I didn’t see much difference between the sides... maybe decent commentators and better filing/production will help?

as long as the team knows why and they can address it, then this is what trials are for.

And that's my point. It's purpose is to speed the game up which it will so there's little time to give the reason for the repeat set. It will come into genuine scrutiny when it seems to favour one side over the other. It can significantly change a game.
I guess we'll see how much noise it generates over the coming weeks. I think it will.

 

[muzby]

The rule has a lot of rugby about it. The whistle is blown but no one knows really why. Thought this last season too.
It's good if it opens the game up, but if it's unbalanced, like in this trial, it can destroy a game too.

I’d rather us just work on our discipline.

If we’re a well coached side we should be able to work on defending without giving away set restarts.

 

[Slippery Morris]

Do you think it was the new rule now that teams get 6 again if they are caught offside hence why Saints copped so many? They brought this in to speed the game as teams were deliberately offside to get a penalty against them and slow the game down.

14 - 0 was pretty one sided and I did not see much difference in how long Saints were in tackles compared to Parra.

 

[boardlumps62]

To me six again is a bullshit rule. But who am I to say when it seems accepted by those in charge of NRL, the coaches and even Freddie and Gus.
It's taken the game away from its roots and moved it closer to Touch

 

[muzby]

To me six again is a bullshit rule. But who am I to say when it seems accepted by those in charge of NRL, the coaches and even Freddie and Gus.
It's taken the game away from its roots and moved it closer to Touch

We certainly defended like we were playing touch last year

 

[possm]

I know it's only early days with this but if the league don't find a way to explain it and make it clear to everyone then it's a game killer.

I'd say that Gentle has been coaching our players to slow down in the tackle. I'm sure that they will realise that this wont't work und the current rules. I would rather see all players being coached more on tackling technique

We also need a sound degencive structure.

 

[Slippery Morris]

I hate how there is no consistency in the calls with the 6 again and is easy for a game to be manipulated by the ref. I usually find a team gets punished in the first half by the ref until a team gets a couple of tries lead. And then at the back end of the game when the game is more or less over, the ref's even the ledger by giving the team that was caned earlier soft penalties. So when they look at the overall performance coaches can't whinge as the penalty count is evened out even though the damage was done early.

 

[Dragsters]

FWIW, there were 3 different refs during yesterday's trial that had about 25 mins each...

 

[muzby]

FWIW, there were 3 different refs during yesterday's trial that had about 25 mins each...

Says even more that it’s a team discipline thing rather than bias against us..

 

[Reddragon]

I’d rather us just work on our discipline.

If we’re a well coached side we should be able to work on defending without giving away set restarts.

This is beside the point; it's about the rule and not just Saints games. No one knows why the whistle is blown, whether for or against your own team, which used to be the common complaint about rugby.

 

[Reddragon]

And that's my point. It's purpose is to speed the game up which it will so there's little time to give the reason for the repeat set. It will come into genuine scrutiny when it seems to favour one side over the other. It can significantly change a game.
I guess we'll see how much noise it generates over the coming weeks. I think it will.

You hit the nail on the head; because play resumes so quickly, there's no scrutiny.
The trail yesterday showed the problem when one team is penalised more than another; it determines the game. If this happened in an NRL game, there would be a week of screaming about the rules. Hopefully it won't be this lopsided again.