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'16 | R2 | Thu | PEN 16-18 CBY | Pepper

R2: Panthers v Bulldogs

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ACTPanthers

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martielang said:
Anything said about DWZ being held by Reynolds at marker for the first M'bye try?

Tough game of footy. Enjoyed it immensely. Credit to Dogs for sticking to it, and credit to our boys for having a real crack given last week and the short turn around.

f**k me people will blame Griffin for anything. Even with the injuries we should probably be 2 - 0, and I think he got the side spot on last night. Imagine throwing TMM into the fire against a pack the size of the dogs?
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f**k me people will say anything to absolve blame - Griffin made shit decisions that cost the game in the end - Should probably be 2-0!? But we're not.... So we shouldn't be 2-0 at all - We are where we should be because we've lost 2 on the trot - What makes you think we "should be" 2-0?

What really get's me is when something is obviously wrong, and can be changed to make it better, but no one can mention it because it might hurt someones feelings - Something is wrong/not working with the staff, be that medical, strength and conditioning or the actual coaching staff - Something needs to change
 
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Peachey to 5/8 was a flop. The lack of any attacking gameplan whatsoever besides five hitups and kick is on the coach. There was more than one set we had inside the dogs 20m where we just took 5 hitups and then kicked. Im all for all playing it safe while carting the ball up the field but once you get into the attacking zone you have to have something to throw at the defence but we just had nothing. It was tackling practice for the dogs on there line.

Ivan Cleary coached better attack than that. There was some good signs but we wont win many games against top 8 teams playing that brand of footy that is for sure. When did we ever look like scoring besides off kicks?
 
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betcats said:
Peachey to 5/8 was a flop. The lack of any attacking gameplan whatsoever besides five hitups and kick is on the coach. There was more than one set we had inside the dogs 20m where we just took 5 hitups and then kicked. Im all for all playing it safe while carting the ball up the field but once you get into the attacking zone you have to have something to throw at the defence but we just nothing. It was tackling practice for the dogs on there line.

Ivan Cleary coached better attack than that. There was some good signs but we wont win many games against top 8 teams playing that brand of footy that is for sure. When did we ever look like scoring besides off kicks?
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What betcats said - Combine that with the Whare inclusion, playing Akauola for only 20 mins and then running out of interchanges late in the game - There were a few bad decisions made by hook last night.
 
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betcats said:
...once you get into the attacking zone you have to have something to throw at the defence but we just had nothing.
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As I recall it, this was exactly the problem two seasons back against the very same team that prevented us reaching the Grand Final. Not to mention all last season as well. It is a problem Hook has inherited.

We could really make use of a Preston Campbell circa 2003 in the halves right about now, but you can't make do with what you haven't got. Might be nearly time to give this TMM a run.
 
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ACTPanthers said:
What betcats said - Combine that with the Whare inclusion, playing Akauola for only 20 mins and then running out of interchanges late in the game - There were a few bad decisions made by hook last night.
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We're 2 games into the season, playing without your two most creative players and a spine that has never played/trained together in that formation. What did you expect? Honestly?

Peachey at 5/8th seemed like the right call. Many have called for him to be 5/8th for good this season. He didn't play well, everyone says what a terrible decision it was....

Whare gets passed fit to play by the medical team. Whare improves our team immensely when he plays..... Why the hell wouldn't you pick him?

Bloody hell we lost in the last 20 seconds, to a good side, after a 5 day turnaround having played in 35+ degree heat for round 1....

GRIFFIN OUT!
 
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TheFrog said:
As I recall it, this was exactly the problem two seasons back against the very same team that prevented us reaching the Grand Final. Not to mention all last season as well. It is a problem Hook has inherited.

We could really make use of a Preston Campbell circa 2003 in the halves right about now, but you can't make do with what you haven't got. Might be nearly time to give this TMM a run.
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We put 30 points on the dogs round one last year after a very disrupted offseason, the George Jennings try in that game in particular stands out as a beautiful set backline play.

I agree that we already had this problem last year but after two rounds it has been worse, not better. When did Hiku or Whare get the ball in good attacking field position last night? It just didn't happen. 5 hitups, kick. Occasionally we tried to go wide but it never came close to scoring.
 
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For a team missing 2 players out of their spine before the match and then losing a key player to injury and finished the match with a player really struggling through injury I thought it was a really good performance.

Penrith didn't go too bad either
 
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martielang said:
We're 2 games into the season, playing without your two most creative players and a spine that has never played/trained together in that formation. What did you expect? Honestly?

Peachey at 5/8th seemed like the right call. Many have called for him to be 5/8th for good this season. He didn't play well, everyone says what a terrible decision it was....

Whare gets passed fit to play by the medical team. Whare improves our team immensely when he plays..... Why the hell wouldn't you pick him?

Bloody hell we lost in the last 20 seconds, to a good side, after a 5 day turnaround having played in 35+ degree heat for round 1....

GRIFFIN OUT!
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No one is saying that but lets be realistic we lost to a good side that played pretty poorly. They made 8 errors compared to our 2 their completion rate was 67 percent ffs and they still made more linebreaks than us.

Whare only started running on Tuesday, im no doctor but it seemed pretty risky to play. He would of barely trained this week so no real test, it was a gamble and it failed.
 
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Dogs Of War said:
I'm sure they wouldnt have. They already had the 2 point break. The extra 2 doesn't really add much as seen by the end result. If they went for the try and scored it would have been game over.
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Yes I understand the logic behind it, but Bennett has always been a fan of the 2 points.
 
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One thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is the comparative fitness of the two sides. Penrith used 10 interchanges by the 70th minute. The Bulldogs used 7 for the match (with the 7th being in the final minute), lost Tolman early and Elliott didn't get a run so it was effectively a 15 man side. Yet Penrith forwards after a good start couldn't stay with them
 
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ek999 said:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is the comparative fitness of the two sides. Penrith used 10 interchanges by the 70th minute. The Bulldogs used 7 for the match (with the 7th being in the final minute), lost Tolman early and Elliott didn't get a run so it was effectively a 15 man side. Yet Penrith forwards after a good start couldn't stay with them
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Yeah but to be fair, they only had a 5 day turn around after playing a game in 35 degree heat. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were a bit drained.
 
ACTPanthers

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martielang said:
We're 2 games into the season, playing without your two most creative players and a spine that has never played/trained together in that formation. What did you expect? Honestly?

Peachey at 5/8th seemed like the right call. Many have called for him to be 5/8th for good this season. He didn't play well, everyone says what a terrible decision it was....

Whare gets passed fit to play by the medical team. Whare improves our team immensely when he plays..... Why the hell wouldn't you pick him?

Bloody hell we lost in the last 20 seconds, to a good side, after a 5 day turnaround having played in 35+ degree heat for round 1....

GRIFFIN OUT!
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Yeah, because we ALL said that... Jesus Christ :roll:

Is Griffin above criticism in your eyes? Are you related? I never said Griffin out.... EVER. So don't put words in my mouth.

Why wouldnt I pick Whare...? because he was injured - I was of the same opinion as you until it was pointed out he'd only started running a few days before the game - This wasn't a smart move, plain to see given he was walked off in the second half and we wasted an interchange on it. Is this really that hard to fathom?
 
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ek999 said:
One thing I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is the comparative fitness of the two sides. Penrith used 10 interchanges by the 70th minute. The Bulldogs used 7 for the match (with the 7th being in the final minute), lost Tolman early and Elliott didn't get a run so it was effectively a 15 man side. Yet Penrith forwards after a good start couldn't stay with them
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Ronnie Palmer is an incompetent old fool
 
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