18th club, whose next?

[AlwaysGreen]

Are you sure they weren't talking about Hull?

 

[Centy Coast]

Are you sure they weren't talking about Hull?

Hull ?, they haven’t been relevant since Peter Sterling played for them.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

For all its evils in foreign policy if you have money and are single America kills living in Australia

Australia has boring nightlife mostly and 80 percent are people bored af in their marriages

it’s almost a nation full of Karen’s and Kevin’s lol

Too many religious nutcases in America.

The sports they play are stupid.

The food they eat is shit.

 

[final say]

Too many religious nutcases in America.

The sports they play are stupid.

The food they eat is shit.

Racist

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

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I cannot imagine why rugby league players aren't keen on relocating to Port Moresby...

 

[Chris Reid]

For all its evils in foreign policy if you have money and are single America kills living in Australia

Australia has boring nightlife mostly and 80 percent are people bored af in their marriages

it’s almost a nation full of Karen’s and Kevin’s lol

Is that your excuse as to why women want nothing to do with you Wally?

 

[final say]

Is that your excuse as to why women want nothing to do with you Wally?

Is that you te kah ?

 

[Chris Reid]

Is that you te kah ?

No it isn't Gobsmacked.. ask your mate Wally

 

[final say]

No it isn't Gobsmacked.. ask your mate Wally

Who are you then?

 

[Wb1234]

Too many religious nutcases in America.

The sports they play are stupid.

The food they eat is shit.

Dunno I could get into nfl and nba

 

[Wb1234]

Who are you then?

Alt alt alt

Soccer fan from the Gold Coast whose angry the Gold Coast United a league club got killed off

 

[Chris Reid]

Alt alt alt

Soccer fan from the Gold Coast whose angry the Gold Coast United a league club got killed off

Yea let's go with that to! Tekah the soccer fan from the GC that's upset that the GC A League team got killed off!
You blokes are all over it

 

[The Great Dane]

Brisbane Lions

The Bears aren't offering to sell their IP and most of their valuable assets to a local entity in Perth, nor would they ever do so willingly and unlike Fitzroy they aren't in administration and being forced to sell against their will.

Even if Norths could be coerced into selling no pre-existing local entity exists in Perth that's in a position to purchase the Bears IP, and if such an entity ever does exist it'd surely be better to give them the chance to make a go of it for themselves...

The Brisbane Bears weren't even after the Lions brand anyway. Put simply they wanted first dibs on the players but the AFL made sure it all came as a package deal. Fitzroy and the majority of Fitzroy's fanbase also had a confrontational relationship with the Brisbane Lions for years after the "merger" and their relationship, though much better than it was in the 90s and 00s, is still strained to this day. Fitzroy only threatens legal action against the Lions every now and then these days lol, but that's an aside.

Sydney Swans

I would fully support one of the current NRL sides relocating to Perth if they wished to, but that isn't on the table.

Neither Fitzroy's situation or the Swans relocation is even within the ball park of being analogous to the proposal that the Bears should be gifted first dibs on an expansion team on the other side of the country just because it'd hit some geriatrics in Sydney in the feels.

 

[The Great Dane]

I got a feeling the backers are gonna do this.

Most of the blokes like Cumins will almost certainly walk away, or at the very least heavily reduce their involvement in the sport, but the Bears don't want them there anyway so it doesn't really matter.

The real question is are the WA government stupid and/or desperate enough to back a Perth Bears bid. I have it on good authority that they'd prefer a WA owned and operated club, but have expressed that they'd be willing to compromise just to get it done. So the question then becomes how much are they willing to compromise.

 

[The Great Dane]

Yeah because the Perth Bears don't do both

What would be best for the club in each market will inevitably contradict. So when it comes time to make the decisions the needs of one market will inevitably supersede the other, and anybody that trusts the Bears to do what's best for the sport in WA are naive at best.

It'd basically be most of the worst elements of a merger but without the dysfunction of having factions competing for control of the club internally, which might weirdly be a good thing in this case. It wouldn't be ideal, but you'd want somebody positioned to represent Perth/WA's interests and to actively oppose the worst excesses of the Bears. In other words a dysfunctional merger would be better than a complete nonstarter lol.

Either way it'd be a bad outcome for everyone involved, except for the dozen or so Bears fans that are still kicking and the out of touch boomers in the Sydney establishment who lack a conscience and are comfortable selling the future in pursuit of their own self-gratification in the present.

Maybe it could work if a way could be found to separate the Bears IP from the club itself, but that isn't realistic.

 

[Colk]

What upsets me about Americans is their wilful ignorance and blind support for Israel. Gun crime is through the roof over there, yet the average Yank will chuck a tantrum and go blue in the face if anyone suggests it should be harder for nutjobs to get their hands on an automatic rifle. Their answer to all of the school shootings is to have a group prayer and buy more guns.

American "artists" bore me shitless with their simplistic tunes. Most of them are popular not because of their music, but because they're sexualised by the record companies and pushed down the throats of teeny boppers. Taylor Swift cannot sing for shit and her songs are boring, yet the teeny boppers cannot get enough of the drip because the media has shoved her down everyone's throat. There are truly skilled artists from continental Europe that most Australians have never heard of because the media in this country only promotes Yankee shit.

There are people in Australia who worship dumb boring Yankee sports like gridiron for no other reason than they're played in America. I worry about this country.

Mate not that I think this is particularly relevant to any discussion but you tend to generalise a lot.

They do have a gun culture but it’s very simplistic to say every American is the same. State power is very significant over there, so they have quite liberal areas and quite conservative areas. To be frank, the difference between those areas is much starker than here.

On “art”, American music, literature or movies etc isn’t just popular culture or Taylor Swift. They have inarguably had the biggest influence on all of these areas from the middle of the last century and they have produced an absolute plethora of great artists in all types of areas. Just on music alone - blues, rock n roll, jazz, punk, grunge, soul, R&B all came from the States. There has been plenty of crap but I’d add that a lot of popular culture is crap no matter where it comes from. So I find it strange for somebody to say that all American art is crap.

On the European music thing, again what you are pointing to is the stratification of music or different art forms. I’ve discovered some cracking Spanish, German, Italian and French rock bands but I’m not expecting to them to be played on radio because it is not in English and it is a bit weird and I have some weird taste. Some things are just too peculiar to be played on commercial radio and there aren’t many really popular bands that have done really outsider or complex work that has ever been played on commercial radio. It just is what it is.

On the last point, I don’t like gridiron but I could understand why somebody would. Outside of something absolutely deplorable like fumbleball, I can understand why people have different tastes and like different things. For example, I like baseball and you might hypothetically like ice hockey. You probably think baseball is boring but I think something like ice hockey is non sensical.

All in all, I don’t really understand why people get upset about people liking different things. If we all liked the same things or thought the same way, it would be pretty boring

 

[Perth Red]

Most of the blokes like Cumins will almost certainly walk away, or at the very least heavily reduce their involvement in the sport, but the Bears don't want them there anyway so it doesn't really matter.

The real question is are the WA government stupid and/or desperate enough to back a Perth Bears bid. I have it on good authority that they'd prefer a WA owned and operated club, but have expressed that they'd be willing to compromise just to get it done. So the question then becomes how much are they willing to compromise.

They’ve said they will back whoever gets the license. I’m not sure they are really going to dictate the who or how.

the rubber will hit the road when cumins group talks to bears and decides if it’s workable or not.
If not then there could be two rival bids,
or nrl could dictate a partnership, which would no doubt end in acrimony and tears for sure. Forced marriages rarely work out.

I reckon it will all come down to how strong the cumins consortium bid is. If they are confident they can show the nrl they have the start up money, the bank guarantee and a decent development strategy then I have no doubt they wont want a bar of the bears. He’s pretty much said as much.

 

[The Great Dane]

They’ve said they will back whoever gets the license. I’m not sure they are really going to dictate the who or how.

the rubber will hit the road when cumins group talks to bears and decides if it’s workable or not.
If not then there could be two rival bids,
or nrl could dictate a partnership, which would no doubt end in acrimony and tears for sure. Forced marriages rarely work out.

I reckon it will all come down to how strong the cumins consortium bid is. If they are confident they can show the nrl they have the start up money, the bank guarantee and a decent development strategy then I have no doubt they wont want a bar of the bears. He’s pretty much said as much.

I know for a fact that the Bears have had some discussions with people from Perth already. Aside from the government I don't know who those were with or if they included Cumins though.

Depending on the audience the Bears have said both that they'll work with anyone and that they'd only consider a merger if the NRL directs them to and fully intend going it alone. They keep repeating that they won't compromise on their 'non-negotiables' though, and I can't see Cumins agreeing to them or blokes like Sackson at the NRL WA being happy with them either.

Frankly I can't see the Bears pursuing a merger unless PVL forces their hand. It'd be totally out of character.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Dunno I could get into nfl and nba

Gridiron has too many boring stoppages. The padding they wear looks ridiculous. The offensive linesmen, defensive linesmen and line backers are just big fat f**ks. The players spend most of the time standing in a huddle or sitting on their arse. People on here make fun of rugby union, but it's not as stop start and involves far more
continuous action.

I tried getting into basketball a couple years ago. Too monotonous. Up and down. Annoying courtside announcer alongside shit music being blasted through the arena.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Mate not that I think this is particularly relevant to any discussion but you tend to generalise a lot.

They do have a gun culture but it’s very simplistic to say every American is the same. State power is very significant over there, so they have quite liberal areas and quite conservative areas. To be frank, the difference between those areas is much starker than here.

On “art”, American music, literature or movies etc isn’t just popular culture or Taylor Swift. They have inarguably had the biggest influence on all of these areas from the middle of the last century and they have produced an absolute plethora of great artists in all types of areas. Just on music alone - blues, rock n roll, jazz, punk, grunge, soul, R&B all came from the States. There has been plenty of crap but I’d add that a lot of popular culture is crap no matter where it comes from. So I find it strange for somebody to say that all American art is crap.

On the European music thing, again what you are pointing to is the stratification of music or different art forms. I’ve discovered some cracking Spanish, German, Italian and French rock bands but I’m not expecting to them to be played on radio because it is not in English and it is a bit weird and I have some weird taste. Some things are just too peculiar to be played on commercial radio and there aren’t many really popular bands that have done really outsider or complex work that has ever been played on commercial radio. It just is what it is.

On the last point, I don’t like gridiron but I could understand why somebody would. Outside of something absolutely deplorable like fumbleball, I can understand why people have different tastes and like different things. For example, I like baseball and you might hypothetically like ice hockey. You probably think baseball is boring but I think something like ice hockey is non sensical.

All in all, I don’t really understand why people get upset about people liking different things. If we all liked the same things or thought the same way, it would be pretty boring

The only reason American artists are so successful is because American culture is beamed across the globe.

I'm not talking about European bands singing in languages other than English. Most of the European bands I listen to sing in English more often than not. I listen to a lot of alternative rock and metal. The bands from Europe are by far the biggest and best in this genre and are followed in large numbers across South America, yet most turkeys in Australia would only recognise a shitty American band called Evanescence. There are superior bands with far more talented vocalists such as Within Temptation, Tristania and Lacuna Coil, yet you won't hear them very often on the radio. The bitch from Evanescence cannot sing to save her life. Vibeke Stene, Cristina Scabbia and Sharon den Adel are truly talented artists that don't get the recognition they deserve in Australia.

Other great bands from Europe that sing in English include The Scorpions and The Gathering.

Guns N Roses have terrible music. Axl Rose cannot sing for shit and sounds like some one is electrocuting his nuts. It hasn't stopped them from being successful due to their nationality. Their songs are regularly blasted at NRL games. The only song of theirs that is decent is November Rain.

Bruce Springsteen has the most boring music on the planet. Neil Diamond never produced a decent song, yet wankers across Australia and England sing that boring as f**k "Sweet Caroline" at sports matches.

Aussies need to grow the f**k up and stop being hive creatures who worship Yankee shit. There's always some spastic wearing a Yankees cap or Lakers singlet because they think it makes them cool.

Pommy music has been just as shit since the 1990s, FWIW.

Joh Daly used to be paid money to come out to the Australian Open, despite being mediocre. That's jow desperate Aussies are to be liked by Yanks.

Yankee TV shows follow the same tired formula and aren't worth watching. Their movies are f**ken stupid and full of dumb tropes. Yet wankers across this country line up in droves to see them.

This year people on this board were pulling their cocks because V'landys took a couple of games to Las Vegas. The local media didn't give a shit and referred to it as "rugby".