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18th club, whose next?

Perth Red

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So far weve had tigers, souths and Ipswich Jets howl it down. Johns, Gallen and Richie disagree with 20 teams. Not heard much positivity for Politis's idea so far?

Gallen:
So, Peter V'landys says we could have an 18th team by 2025, and 20 teams by 2032.
Wow.
Expansion is going to happen. We can't change that. I can whinge and bitch and moan all I want, but it's inevitable.

I can see an 18th team, everyone knows that's coming, but 2025 is pretty soon. And 20 teams? That's a stretch.
On a possible 18th team for 2025, if that's going to happen we need to know who it's going to be within the next couple of months, because they're going to need time to put everything in place.

Remember, players can start negotiating for 2025 from November 1 this year. The Dolphins had a similar timeframe and never came up with a marquee signing, and that was with the attraction of Wayne Bennett.
I've got no doubt that one of the reasons that talk of expansion has suddenly hit the headlines is the fact that the Dolphins are 2-0.

If the Dolphins were 0-2 there might be a bit more caution, we'd probably be hearing that expansion isn't that good. But remember, there's only one Wayne Bennett, and he's 73-years-old!

If we get to 20 teams, that's another three coaches and 90 players we need to find.

I can accept 18, but to get to 20 by 2032 you're looking at a new team every 3-4 years, and I think that's a bridge too far.
I don't think there's enough talent to expand that quickly, although the Dolphins are making me look a bit silly with two wins from two matches. But it's a long season, let's not get carried away with their form after two games.


If we're going to have an 18th team in 2025, we need to make that call before the Dolphins have even finished their first season, and I think that's a rush to judgement.

We're already seeing the impact of the Dolphins entering the comp, because every single squad has been depleted a bit.

We've now got 30 more players than we did last year, and you only have to look at Melbourne - they had a few players out and they got pumped by the Bulldogs.

The flipside to all of this is the amount of money in the game.

If the players want to keep getting paid the money they're currently earning, which is significant, there's going to have to be a reason to justify the large broadcasting deals that are being signed, and if that requires another team, we're just going to have to do it and stop worrying about it.

But I'd like to take a close look at junior league before we make a call. Are the numbers growing in a such a way that we can justify having the extra teams? We need that really solid foundation to ensure the top of the pyramid is strong.

Are we putting enough into junior footy, especially in the country? We can't just focus on the big boys at the top of the game, it's about getting the structure below the NRL right.

 

Wb1234

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If Ch9/Stan go it alone Fox will be looking for another FTA partner to bid with.
550 million you watch
So far weve had tigers, souths and Ipswich Jets howl it down. Johns, Gallen and Richie disagree with 20 teams. Not heard much positivity for Politis's idea so far?

Gallen:
So, Peter V'landys says we could have an 18th team by 2025, and 20 teams by 2032.
Wow.
Expansion is going to happen. We can't change that. I can whinge and bitch and moan all I want, but it's inevitable.

I can see an 18th team, everyone knows that's coming, but 2025 is pretty soon. And 20 teams? That's a stretch.
On a possible 18th team for 2025, if that's going to happen we need to know who it's going to be within the next couple of months, because they're going to need time to put everything in place.

Remember, players can start negotiating for 2025 from November 1 this year. The Dolphins had a similar timeframe and never came up with a marquee signing, and that was with the attraction of Wayne Bennett.
I've got no doubt that one of the reasons that talk of expansion has suddenly hit the headlines is the fact that the Dolphins are 2-0.

If the Dolphins were 0-2 there might be a bit more caution, we'd probably be hearing that expansion isn't that good. But remember, there's only one Wayne Bennett, and he's 73-years-old!

If we get to 20 teams, that's another three coaches and 90 players we need to find.

I can accept 18, but to get to 20 by 2032 you're looking at a new team every 3-4 years, and I think that's a bridge too far.
I don't think there's enough talent to expand that quickly, although the Dolphins are making me look a bit silly with two wins from two matches. But it's a long season, let's not get carried away with their form after two games.


If we're going to have an 18th team in 2025, we need to make that call before the Dolphins have even finished their first season, and I think that's a rush to judgement.

We're already seeing the impact of the Dolphins entering the comp, because every single squad has been depleted a bit.

We've now got 30 more players than we did last year, and you only have to look at Melbourne - they had a few players out and they got pumped by the Bulldogs.

The flipside to all of this is the amount of money in the game.

If the players want to keep getting paid the money they're currently earning, which is significant, there's going to have to be a reason to justify the large broadcasting deals that are being signed, and if that requires another team, we're just going to have to do it and stop worrying about it.

But I'd like to take a close look at junior league before we make a call. Are the numbers growing in a such a way that we can justify having the extra teams? We need that really solid foundation to ensure the top of the pyramid is strong.

Are we putting enough into junior footy, especially in the country? We can't just focus on the big boys at the top of the game, it's about getting the structure below the NRL right.

you think Paul Gallen is an expert on expansion ?

joey wasn’t a fan of adding the dolphins

indeed he wants the nrl to be cut down to 12 teams
 

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Two weeks into the 2023 NRL season and the story that has captured the imagination like no other has been that of the remarkable early success of the Dolphins. The expansion team sit top of the ladder, having become just the third new outfit in 113 years – after the Brisbane Broncos and the Melbourne Storm – to win their opening two games.

So followed calls to further expand the competition, according to the Daily Telegraph, which reported that the ARL Commission is planning an expansion to 20 teams by 2032. ARLC chair Peter V’landys has never been backwards in shaking up the status quo and is driven by a desire to dominate.

The question now not only centres around whether can the NRL expand to 20 teams, but also whether the risk associated with such an expansion would be worth the potential rewards.

The story of the Dolphins – who were widely criticised for not signing a marquee player and started the year as the wooden spoon favourites – has been a boon for the NRL, but expansion is no certainty of success. Each case needs to be examined on its merits.

The adulation currently being directed at the Dolphins is deserved, but they have had some significant advantages. The club has a long history in a rugby league heartland in a city that loves the game arguably more than any other. They entered the NRL as the richest club in the league and signed arguably the greatest coach the game has known. But they received no salary cap advantages from HQ, nor did the NRL force clubs to release players.

It is not a model that will work elsewhere, and the NRL must look significantly at the framework surrounding expansion before committing to it. Rugby league has a long history of leaving expansion teams to their own devices.

But an 18th team, at least, seems entirely natural. First though, the NRL first needs to be clear on its reasons for expansion and what it needs to commit to in terms of support for any new franchise.

Additional broadcast revenue clearly informs decision-making here – more teams equals more games equals more advertising and subscription revenue. There also seems to be a desire to expand the game’s footprint both nationally and internationally. The Olympic Games, to be held in Brisbane in 2032, is seen as a great opportunity to showcase rugby league as Australia’s true national game.


Yet the risks are plentiful. Financial stability is the most obvious sticking point, so too talent depth, with the NRL needing to bring in pathways to get an additional 100-odd players up to standard.

The NRL finds itself in an excellent place at the moment when it comes to competitive balance. An expansion team sits atop the table. In the 16 games this season, 11 have been decided by 10 points or fewer. Parity is one of the NRL’s great selling points and expanding too quickly puts that at risk. In 1995, the most comparable year, the Cowboys conceded 60 twice and the Crushers scored three tries in their first four games. Four of the 20 teams won four games or fewer.

Location for any new addition to the NRL will also be critical. There has been talk about bringing in a Pasifika or a Papua New Guinean team – potentially based in Cairns or overseas. PNG would likely have their nose ahead given the Hunters have been around for a decade in the Q-Cup, but given the expense of flying entire teams to Pacific islands for games and the cultural differences of Fiji, Tonga and Samoa, there are serious flaws to that plan, despite its positive intentions.

Perth would be a logical choice for an 18th team, given it is a well-populated city that embraces its sporting franchises. The Reds existed for three years and were hardly a failure before becoming a victim of the Super League war. Western Australia is perhaps also the best fit for a revival of the Bears franchise, as there is no benefit in adding a new franchise to the already cluttered New South Wales market.

But the NRL cannot seriously look at expanding further into New Zealand, where the Warriors have not been a success on or off the field. The country has embraced them, but they have failed to make any serious inroads into rugby union’s preeminence in the country. It is also becoming increasingly difficult for the Warriors to not only attract big-name players but also to keep the best of their own young talent. Given the logistical and economic realities of New Zealand, it is hard to see how plonking a franchise in Wellington or Christchurch would work.

These are heady times for the NRL. Expansion is certainly an option, but it comes with significant risk and the league needs to tread with care.

 

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So far weve had tigers, souths and Ipswich Jets howl it down. Johns, Gallen and Richie disagree with 20 teams. Not heard much positivity for Politis's idea so far?

Gallen:
So, Peter V'landys says we could have an 18th team by 2025, and 20 teams by 2032.
Wow.
Expansion is going to happen. We can't change that. I can whinge and bitch and moan all I want, but it's inevitable.

I can see an 18th team, everyone knows that's coming, but 2025 is pretty soon. And 20 teams? That's a stretch.
On a possible 18th team for 2025, if that's going to happen we need to know who it's going to be within the next couple of months, because they're going to need time to put everything in place.

Remember, players can start negotiating for 2025 from November 1 this year. The Dolphins had a similar timeframe and never came up with a marquee signing, and that was with the attraction of Wayne Bennett.
I've got no doubt that one of the reasons that talk of expansion has suddenly hit the headlines is the fact that the Dolphins are 2-0.

If the Dolphins were 0-2 there might be a bit more caution, we'd probably be hearing that expansion isn't that good. But remember, there's only one Wayne Bennett, and he's 73-years-old!

If we get to 20 teams, that's another three coaches and 90 players we need to find.

I can accept 18, but to get to 20 by 2032 you're looking at a new team every 3-4 years, and I think that's a bridge too far.
I don't think there's enough talent to expand that quickly, although the Dolphins are making me look a bit silly with two wins from two matches. But it's a long season, let's not get carried away with their form after two games.


If we're going to have an 18th team in 2025, we need to make that call before the Dolphins have even finished their first season, and I think that's a rush to judgement.

We're already seeing the impact of the Dolphins entering the comp, because every single squad has been depleted a bit.

We've now got 30 more players than we did last year, and you only have to look at Melbourne - they had a few players out and they got pumped by the Bulldogs.

The flipside to all of this is the amount of money in the game.

If the players want to keep getting paid the money they're currently earning, which is significant, there's going to have to be a reason to justify the large broadcasting deals that are being signed, and if that requires another team, we're just going to have to do it and stop worrying about it.

But I'd like to take a close look at junior league before we make a call. Are the numbers growing in a such a way that we can justify having the extra teams? We need that really solid foundation to ensure the top of the pyramid is strong.

Are we putting enough into junior footy, especially in the country? We can't just focus on the big boys at the top of the game, it's about getting the structure below the NRL right.

Gallen is an obvious AFL troll
 

Wb1234

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Wayne bennett should be made coach of team 18 for 3 years before moving on to team 19 then 20

it will guarantee each team gets off to a good start
 

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@Perth Red
This has probably already been answered multiple times, but do we have any idea what the WA Govt/McGowan are offering as incentive for a Perth side?
no, nothing has been stated officially. Just that they are very committed to making it happen. My wishlist would be:
1. $150mill to be spent on HBF Park
2. $30-50million for a NRLWA and Pirates HQ and CofE
3. $1-2million a year for Jnr and womens participation (via tourism WA sponsorship of the club)
4. $75k a game lease for HBF Park

If we could land that it would be massive for the game here and help with club viability

We've had $10bill of budget surpluses so those figures are chicken feed to the WA Govt
 

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There is a huge fear of The Dolphins on big footy. I expect they will be suicidal if another NRL club appears in Queensland, as this will effectively be the death keel for fumbleball there
How will a Pacifika club in Cairns impact AFL in Brisbane or GC? Or are you talking in a decade plus when Brisbane3 might be an option?

I am expecting AFL to throw some serious more coin at Qlnd over the next decade. Probably $50mill a year plus out of the new money they are getting.
 

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no, nothing has been stated officially. Just that they are very committed to making it happen. My wishlist would be:
1. $150mill to be spent on HBF Park
2. $30-50million for a NRLWA and Pirates HQ and CofE
3. $1-2million a year for Jnr and womens participation (via tourism WA sponsorship of the club)
4. $75k a game lease for HBF Park

If we could land that it would be massive for the game here and help with club viability
50k rental rest is spot on

Perth nrl team to keep bar and other sales at the ground for league games
 

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So far weve had tigers, souths and Ipswich Jets howl it down. Johns, Gallen and Richie disagree with 20 teams. Not heard much positivity for Politis's idea so far?

Gallen:
So, Peter V'landys says we could have an 18th team by 2025, and 20 teams by 2032.
Wow.
Expansion is going to happen. We can't change that. I can whinge and bitch and moan all I want, but it's inevitable.

I can see an 18th team, everyone knows that's coming, but 2025 is pretty soon. And 20 teams? That's a stretch.
On a possible 18th team for 2025, if that's going to happen we need to know who it's going to be within the next couple of months, because they're going to need time to put everything in place.

Remember, players can start negotiating for 2025 from November 1 this year. The Dolphins had a similar timeframe and never came up with a marquee signing, and that was with the attraction of Wayne Bennett.
I've got no doubt that one of the reasons that talk of expansion has suddenly hit the headlines is the fact that the Dolphins are 2-0.

If the Dolphins were 0-2 there might be a bit more caution, we'd probably be hearing that expansion isn't that good. But remember, there's only one Wayne Bennett, and he's 73-years-old!

If we get to 20 teams, that's another three coaches and 90 players we need to find.

I can accept 18, but to get to 20 by 2032 you're looking at a new team every 3-4 years, and I think that's a bridge too far.
I don't think there's enough talent to expand that quickly, although the Dolphins are making me look a bit silly with two wins from two matches. But it's a long season, let's not get carried away with their form after two games.


If we're going to have an 18th team in 2025, we need to make that call before the Dolphins have even finished their first season, and I think that's a rush to judgement.

We're already seeing the impact of the Dolphins entering the comp, because every single squad has been depleted a bit.

We've now got 30 more players than we did last year, and you only have to look at Melbourne - they had a few players out and they got pumped by the Bulldogs.

The flipside to all of this is the amount of money in the game.

If the players want to keep getting paid the money they're currently earning, which is significant, there's going to have to be a reason to justify the large broadcasting deals that are being signed, and if that requires another team, we're just going to have to do it and stop worrying about it.

But I'd like to take a close look at junior league before we make a call. Are the numbers growing in a such a way that we can justify having the extra teams? We need that really solid foundation to ensure the top of the pyramid is strong.

Are we putting enough into junior footy, especially in the country? We can't just focus on the big boys at the top of the game, it's about getting the structure below the NRL right.

I dont understand how people like Gallen cant see that Perth will bring in more juniors. It will add to the pool , not diminish it.
 

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no, nothing has been stated officially. Just that they are very committed to making it happen. My wishlist would be:
1. $150mill to be spent on HBF Park
2. $30-50million for a NRLWA and Pirates HQ and CofE
3. $1-2million a year for Jnr and womens participation (via tourism WA sponsorship of the club)
4. $75k a game lease for HBF Park

If we could land that it would be massive for the game here and help with club viability

We've had $10bill of budget surpluses so those figures are chicken feed to the WA Govt
Any chance of getting Twiggy interested or is he strictly toffball?
 

Perth Red

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Any chance of getting Twiggy interested or is he strictly toffball?
nah kick and clap man. Might have been an opportunity if Force had have remained outside or NRL had got on the front foot 5 years ago, but now they are back in he wants to own the whole sport lol

Theres other mining magnates in town, Ive heard a rumour of a company with mines in Qlnd, WA and PNG who are very keen, but just a rumour at this stage.
 

Wb1234

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nah kick and clap man. Might have been an opportunity if Force had have remained outside or NRL had got on the front foot 5 years ago, but now they are back in he wants to own the whole sport lol

Theres other mining magnates in town, Ive heard a rumour of a company with mines in Qlnd, WA and PNG who are very keen, but just a rumour at this stage.
Mines in png you say

wow didn’t know they had big mines in png owned by Australian companies
 

macca_saint

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He should the force are doing nothing on or off the field

they don’t need him anyway cash converters and others are around
Surely there is some other mining giant over in WA who would be interested in having their name on the jersey of a team in the most watched sport in the country?
 

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