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18th club, whose next?

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And they are genuine contenders lol. You think it would have increased this year if they were second bottom instead of second top?

There's a couple of things to address here.

  • Broncos had 30,221 members in 2022. This year they have 40,207.
  • Dolphins have 28,594
The total amount of members supporting a Brisbane club has more than doubled from 30,221 to 68,801 since the Dolphins were introduced.

It makes a mockery of the bullshit "diminishing returns" argument that is trotted out on here by the usual suspects.

Dolphins had almost as many members as the Broncos did last year, despite having a losing season.

If onfield form is going to have an impact on membership and attendance, what do you think will happen to the Melbourne Storm when they fall from grace and sit at the bottom of ladder?

How many people will sign up as members for a Perth-based NRL club and regularly attend games when it struggles on the field?

There's a lot of cognitive dissonance on here. The progressives only see negatives with Brisbane (and Sydney) and ignore all of the positives, yet they think new teams in Adelaide and Perth will win more games than they lose to create a mid-size supporter base like the Storm. The usual suspects have been death riding the Dolphins for years. The club has been more successful than the Storm and Raiders have ever been. And it didn't need a star-studded roster to achieve this success.

Storm have relied on a strong roster that has won more games than it has lost since 1998. If you want a Perth-based team to finish in the top four every year then the club will need to spend upwards of $30-40 million per annum to lure the best development officers and recruitment agents to the club so they can poach the best juniors before the other 17 clubs get them. That means having people all up the east coast of Australia on their payroll to attend junior RL games. Then the club will need to sign the best players and entice them to leave everything behind to move to the west coast. They club will need to sign the likes of Cam Munster, Brandon Smith, Val Holmes, Latrell Mitchell and a strong forward pack to succeed on the field from day one. It's just not going to happen.
 
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Yes AFL has mentioned Perth 3.
And Tasmania
Where else can AFL expand
Canberra AFLW team has been mentioned aswell
Brisbane 2nd team maybe 🤔

I just found a Fox Sports article championing a third Perth AwFuL team:

Adding a third club to a two-team market has its flaws, of course - would there really be enough fans to pick the new boys over the existing groups? But that’s where the specific location of the team will come into play.

For WA, the suggestion is Joondalup (north of Perth) or Mandurah (south) would be the best option, keeping the team central and able to play home games at Optus Stadium but still representative of a specific area.

In SA, the strong local connections with SANFL sides could see one of those clubs elevated to the national competition - Norwood was rumoured to be interested earlier this year.

[b{But broadly speaking there’s a much stronger case for another team in the west. WA is more populous and wealthy, with enough footy interest to warrant waiting lists just to be members[/b], while SA saw financial difficulties just a decade ago when Port Adelaide was at its lowest ebb.

Having a third team in WA also helps the league logistically. The 10th weekly game created by the 20th team’s inclusion could be part of a permanent Friday night double-header, with the Perth teams taking turns as host;

Even if not used in that way, having the extra game every fortnight in WA gives the AFL more options to take advantage of the time zone difference;

It also benefits the Eagles and Dockers, because they’ll likely play more games at home (assuming two derbies against the third team a year), while forcing the eastern teams to fly west more often.

And it takes advantage of Optus Stadium, a spectacular venue which could easily be used more often; it goes without saying you’d save plenty using an existing stadium rather than building a new one, or even renovating one, as some of the other 20th team options require.

The mayor of Joondalup, Albert Jacob told Ten News this week the area - with around half a million people - makes the most sense.

“If there’s to be a 20th license, WA makes a lot of sense, and if there’s a third team in WA, it should be in the northern corridor, and based at Joondalup,” he said.

“And most importantly from our point of view, we’ve invested heavily in HBF Arena (a multi-purpose venue including West Perth’s home ground) along with the state government, so we already have those purpose-made facilities.”


 

Tigerlaird

Juniors
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It's hard to say no to a third Brisbane team. It makes sense and having another Brisbane team will help more juniors reach the NRL level.

Having said that, I want to see a Perth, Adelaide and Hobart team in the comp.

The perfect scenario would be 24 teams

NSW - 10 teams
QLD - 6 teams
ACT - 1 team
Vic - 1 team
WA - 1 team
SA - 1 team
Tas - 1 team
NZ - 2 teams
PNG - 1 team
 

mongoose

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It's hard to say no to a third Brisbane team. It makes sense and having another Brisbane team will help more juniors reach the NRL level.

Having said that, I want to see a Perth, Adelaide and Hobart team in the comp.

The perfect scenario would be 24 teams

NSW - 10 teams
QLD - 6 teams
ACT - 1 team
Vic - 1 team
WA - 1 team
SA - 1 team
Tas - 1 team
NZ - 2 teams
PNG - 1 team
This guy said in another thread League was going to die in QLD and the Lions were bigger than the Broncos... these are the kind of fools who are advocating more Brisbane clubs.
 

Perth Red

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There's a couple of things to address here.

  • Broncos had 30,221 members in 2022. This year they have 40,207.
  • Dolphins have 28,594
The total amount of members supporting a Brisbane club has more than doubled from 30,221 to 68,801 since the Dolphins were introduced.

It makes a mockery of the bullshit "diminishing returns" argument that is trotted out on here by the usual suspects.

Dolphins had almost as many members as the Broncos did last year, despite having a losing season.

If onfield form is going to have an impact on membership and attendance, what do you think will happen to the Melbourne Storm when they fall from grace and sit at the bottom of ladder?

How many people will sign up as members for a Perth-based NRL club and regularly attend games when it struggles on the field?

There's a lot of cognitive dissonance on here. The progressives only see negatives with Brisbane (and Sydney) and ignore all of the positives, yet they think new teams in Adelaide and Perth will win more games than they lose to create a mid-size supporter base like the Storm. The usual suspects have been death riding the Dolphins for years. The club has been more successful than the Storm and Raiders have ever been. And it didn't need a star-studded roster to achieve this success.

Storm have relied on a strong roster that has won more games than it has lost since 1998. If you want a Perth-based team to finish in the top four every year then the club will need to spend upwards of $30-40 million per annum to lure the best development officers and recruitment agents to the club so they can poach the best juniors before the other 17 clubs get them. That means having people all up the east coast of Australia on their payroll to attend junior RL games. Then the club will need to sign the best players and entice them to leave everything behind to move to the west coast. They club will need to sign the likes of Cam Munster, Brandon Smith, Val Holmes, Latrell Mitchell and a strong forward pack to succeed on the field from day one. It's just not going to happen.
You miss3d off, “in my opinion” lol
 

Perth Red

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I just found a Fox Sports article championing a third Perth AwFuL team:

Adding a third club to a two-team market has its flaws, of course - would there really be enough fans to pick the new boys over the existing groups? But that’s where the specific location of the team will come into play.​
For WA, the suggestion is Joondalup (north of Perth) or Mandurah (south) would be the best option, keeping the team central and able to play home games at Optus Stadium but still representative of a specific area.​
In SA, the strong local connections with SANFL sides could see one of those clubs elevated to the national competition - Norwood was rumoured to be interested earlier this year.​
[b{But broadly speaking there’s a much stronger case for another team in the west. WA is more populous and wealthy, with enough footy interest to warrant waiting lists just to be members[/b], while SA saw financial difficulties just a decade ago when Port Adelaide was at its lowest ebb.​
Having a third team in WA also helps the league logistically. The 10th weekly game created by the 20th team’s inclusion could be part of a permanent Friday night double-header, with the Perth teams taking turns as host;​
Even if not used in that way, having the extra game every fortnight in WA gives the AFL more options to take advantage of the time zone difference;​
It also benefits the Eagles and Dockers, because they’ll likely play more games at home (assuming two derbies against the third team a year), while forcing the eastern teams to fly west more often.​
And it takes advantage of Optus Stadium, a spectacular venue which could easily be used more often; it goes without saying you’d save plenty using an existing stadium rather than building a new one, or even renovating one, as some of the other 20th team options require.​
The mayor of Joondalup, Albert Jacob told Ten News this week the area - with around half a million people - makes the most sense.
“If there’s to be a 20th license, WA makes a lot of sense, and if there’s a third team in WA, it should be in the northern corridor, and based at Joondalup,” he said.
“And most importantly from our point of view, we’ve invested heavily in HBF Arena (a multi-purpose venue including West Perth’s home ground) along with the state government, so we already have those purpose-made facilities.”
Yes a fox opinion piece, afl has never, ever, mentioned they are considering a third afl club In Perth.
Maybe in twenty years but certainly not before we hit 3.5mill and before dockers are selling out optus.
 
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This guy said in another thread League was going to die in QLD and the Lions were bigger than the Broncos... these are the kind of fools who are advocating more Brisbane clubs.

You said there's a conspiracy between Rugby Australia and the ARLC to not put an NRL team in Perth.

I have a theory which might be a bit tin foil hat but I reckon the NRL (news) has or had a secret agreement with ARU to stay out of WA to give the Force and Australian Rugby "space".

You also said Brisbane won't get a third team until the 2050s because of the Broncos' "powerbrokers" and "News Ltd"

So when the 2nd Brisbane team finally gets introduced do you think that they, the Broncos and Titans are going to be welcoming to a 3rd Brisbane club anytime soon? It will be another 30 years before they even entertain that idea. Will the NRL even exist in 30 years?

You're dreaming if you think the Broncos and News will allow a 3rd Brisbane team so an 18th team will most likely be Perth, Adelaide or NZ.

More of that conspiracy stuff about the game being restricted to its heartland, despite the Broncos not wanting to expand in its heartland, thus leading to the next team being from Adelaide, Perth or NZ.

it makes me wonder if there is some wider conspiracy to restrict RL to its heartland. Greenberg and Beattie just following orders from someone behind the scenes.
 
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Yes a fox opinion piece, afl has never, ever, mentioned they are considering a third afl club In Perth.
Maybe in twenty years but certainly not before we hit 3.5mill and before dockers are selling out optus.

'There is a consortium that wants to put a third team into Perth,' McGuire said on the Eddie and Jimmy podcast, which he co-hosts with retired Geelong premiership star Jimmy Bartel.

 

MugaB

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I really can’t be arsed to post all the sht Gould has come out with over the years but if you want to keep being influenced by him good on you, worlds full of sheep,
Not a sheep, your just a negative nancy, look how you react to goulds comments, PVLs comments, adbos comments, basically you are against anyone not on the perth bid bus, even im on it and know they'll get a licence by team 20, but when i bring up the bids fault, your sheepish one tunnel vision of "me against the world" cant hack it...
Tell me more about Nick Politis, coz i know he is not on your shìt list..... yet

Gus Gould saved this league from SLs influence over Newcastle which could have been the tipping point to how we view our game now, yes professionalism of the sport was always going to happen, but the way murdoch was doing it was fkd
Gus asks the tough questions to the arlc, like where are we going as a code, what do we look like in 20 years...
Gus is opinionated about many aspects of RL and expansion, he says things about png, perth and brisbane, you all grasp at one quote and roll wth it, ....just like sheep... as you have with Politis 20 team catch phrase "we should be in every market"
And they are all right we should be, but we don't have to be right now
 

mongoose

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You said there's a conspiracy between Rugby Australia and the ARLC to not put an NRL team in Perth.


You also said Brisbane won't get a third team until the 2050s because of the Broncos' "powerbrokers" and "News Ltd"



More of that conspiracy stuff about the game being restricted to its heartland, despite the Broncos not wanting to expand in its heartland, thus leading to the next team being from Adelaide, Perth or NZ.

bringing up posts from 2 years ago again, not sure what that has to do with anything...

You're making yourself look like a deranged idiot again. Bringing up the same old arguments over and over again, cherry picking quotes from commissioners and people in the media talking up Brisbane 3 but ignoring the times when they talk up any other locations. Your next move will be saying how undesirable Canberra is and how us Raiders fans are so threatened by another Brisbane team because we won't be able to poach the eyes out of QLD like it was 1987 again.
 

Wb1234

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Not a sheep, your just a negative nancy, look how you react to goulds comments, PVLs comments, adbos comments, basically you are against anyone not on the perth bid bus, even im on it and know they'll get a licence by team 20, but when i bring up the bids fault, your sheepish one tunnel vision of "me against the world" cant hack it...
Tell me more about Nick Politis, coz i know he is not on your shìt list..... yet

Gus Gould saved this league from SLs influence over Newcastle which could have been the tipping point to how we view our game now, yes professionalism of the sport was always going to happen, but the way murdoch was doing it was fkd
Gus asks the tough questions to the arlc, like where are we going as a code, what do we look like in 20 years...
Gus is opinionated about many aspects of RL and expansion, he says things about png, perth and brisbane, you all grasp at one quote and roll wth it, ....just like sheep... as you have with Politis 20 team catch phrase "we should be in every market"
And they are all right we should be, but we don't have to be right now
Wow mugs for a super league fan to admit Gus saved the game is excellent

and I agree if Newcastle had gone over the arl was stuffed
 

AdelaideSharky

Juniors
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Adelaide Rams welcome back 😊
I'd love that but where would they play?

Adelaide Oval is now too big and Coopers Stadium is too small.

There was talk of building a city stadium here but that government got booted out thanks to a scummy union campaign to get the jokers who f**ked the state up to begin with back in after one term in opposition.
 

Perth Red

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'There is a consortium that wants to put a third team into Perth,' McGuire said on the Eddie and Jimmy podcast, which he co-hosts with retired Geelong premiership star Jimmy Bartel.​
afl has never ever said a perth third club is a realistic short term option. I’m sure there’s a lot of wealthy people would want to own a third perth team, the other two make a lot of money, it’s a good Investment!
despite the two perth clubs being huge afl isn’t considering a third, same should be for nrl in brisbane.
there well may be a ‘northern’ afl club in perth in years to come, but it won’t be for a long time And not till afl has the final footprint it wants.
 

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