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18th club, whose next?

Iamback

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Of course they will. No east coast club wants 6pm Friday or 8pm Thursday either. Every club gets a couple of games each year not at ideal times. Maybe not the Broncos....

Yes so you have them pushing for most games on Pay TV.

Those on FTA will be on a secondary channel not in Prime Time - up against the News which tops ratings in every market.

So not sure any FTA network is keen for that
 

Bukowski

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Yes so you have them pushing for most games on Pay TV.

Those on FTA will be on a secondary channel not in Prime Time - up against the News which tops ratings in every market.

So not sure any FTA network is keen for that
Maybe it allows them to have a 7pm kick off for east coast games and then a 7pm kick off Perth game on a Friday. More friendlier time for the clubs to get crowds and it's not up against news anywhere.
All I know is the NRL are putting a ch9 game in Perth on a Friday. Neither organisation can be that against it.
 

Iamback

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Who in Perth hasn’t already got foxsports or Kayo

both afl and nrl fans will have it

so a Perth nrl team will add wa subscribers how ?

hence my question earlier.

Say ch9 still has the rights

Perth v Broncos

It is going to be on Gem at 6pm in Perth
No one in Sydney will care.

So they are worse off even with the new market to sell ads too.

9th game is worth something of course but no actual market brings anything special to demand being chosen
 

Iamback

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Maybe it allows them to have a 7pm kick off for east coast games and then a 7pm kick off Perth game on a Friday. More friendlier time for the clubs to get crowds and it's not up against news anywhere.
All I know is the NRL are putting a ch9 game in Perth on a Friday. Neither organisation can be that against it.

Ch9 prefers NSW v QLD for higher ratings.

Ch10 would be the same.

Of course they aren't against it, Not sure they are pushing for any market
 

Canard

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Who in Perth hasn’t already got foxsports or Kayo

both afl and nrl fans will have it

so a Perth nrl team will add wa subscribers how ?
Then RL is f**ked in Australia, if there is no ability to increase subs for TV.

Of course, this is bullshit, given how all there games are on FTA.
 

Canard

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Again this is where google can help

Force play their Friday night games at 7pm

Scorchers always play late our time

Wildcats like scorchers are the 2nd game on at night

No one watch A League anyway

You realise the AFL sides over there have very very few Weeknight games?

West Coast have none for the next season

It will interesting if that changes when ch7 has set games it has to show
West Coast have no mid week games because they are shit.

They have had multiple ones per season previously though.

You're being disingenuous
 

Bukowski

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Ch9 prefers NSW v QLD for higher ratings.

Ch10 would be the same.

Of course they aren't against it, Not sure they are pushing for any market
I bet they arnt pushing for f**ken PNG!!
Ch 7 would be the same as ch9. But they don't dictate to to sports where to expand, I'm sure they try though.
 

Iamback

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I bet they arnt pushing for f**ken PNG!!
Ch 7 would be the same as ch9. But they don't dictate to to sports where to expand, I'm sure they try though.

I don't think any Network calls up and says 'we need you to put a team in x'

Stupid journos going for lazy stories do though
 

Wb1234

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hence my question earlier.

Say ch9 still has the rights

Perth v Broncos

It is going to be on Gem at 6pm in Perth
No one in Sydney will care.

So they are worse off even with the new market to sell ads too.

9th game is worth something of course but no actual market brings anything special to demand being chosen
Nz2 does

brisbane 3 does

png and Perth offer zero for tv
 

Perth Red

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Do you have anything useful to add to the conversation, or are you just going to make petty personal attacks to deflect attention away from the subject?

My point is a media analyst who has worked with the NRL on previous broadcast deals doesn't believe the NRL will benefit from having a "national" footprint. You're more than welcome to explain why you disagree with his position.
Politis does. So do we go with smith who’s been part of getting nrl sht deals or a successful businessman like politis? Hmmmm
 
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Didn't Butthurtski say a few months ago that a Perth-based team might need to take games to Perth Stadium due to PRS only having 20k seats?

Does he really think a Perth-based team can host a game at 6pm AWST on a Thursday or Friday night and draw 20k fans through the gate?
 

Perth Red

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The man who holds the key to TV sport
By Roy Masters
April 22, 2010 — 3.00am
SHOW ME THE MONEY
Broadcasting rights fees are the lifeblood of professional sport in Australia and, along with its close relation, sponsorship, contributes 60 to 80 per cent of total revenue.​
More than $350 million in TV income pumps through Australian sport annually, with one player involved in all the big contracts, either the current deals, or negotiations for the next rights fee package.​
He is Colin Smith, a 50-year-old Melburnian, who, despite his surname being the most common in the English-speaking world, is the only Smith common to the caller ID's of the phones of Australia's top sporting officials.​
He logs more air miles than most pilots, crossing the country as the boss of LEK's regional Sports, Gaming, Media and Entertainment division, as well as recently linking up with the former Cricket Australia and ICC boss, Mal Speed, to form Global Media and Sports, a firm specialising in negotiating broadcasting deals for sports.​
Smith worked on the biggest TV deal in sporting history - the AFL's five-year, $780 million contract - in tandem with Ben Buckley, who is now the chief executive of the FFA.​
Buckley and Smith lodged the AFL's initial claim for rights fees to the Channel Seven-Ten consortium at only 4 per cent of the sum the then Channel Nine boss, Kerry Packer lodged, forcing Seven-Ten to meet it under their first and last rights clause.​
Smith is advising the NRL chief executive, David Gallop, on rugby league's next broadcasting contract, which hopes to deliver parity with the AFL.​
Smith helped ARU chief John O'Neill with the soon-to-be-announced SANZAR rights, and helped Cricket Australia boss James Sutherland with the last TV deal and is involved in the next round of rights. Thoroughbred racing, including the AJC, VRC and Queensland Racing, consult with Smith and AOC chairman, John Coates, has engaged him on digital rights.​
Even exotic deals - advising PNG on the broadcasting value it can bring to the NRL as a possible new franchise and preparing a brief for ANZ Stadium on the likely TV income of a possible hybrid rules match between the Kangaroos and Wallabies - are on his desk.​
The big professional sports are lining up like formula one cars at the grid, as anticipated changes to the federal government's anti-siphoning rules are expected to favour the cash-strapped free-to-air broadcasters.​
Rugby union media rights are first out, with the Wallabies and Super 15 deals soon to be announced. The AFL is next, with its contract concluding in 2011, followed by the NRL a year later. Cricket is the last of the big sports to finish existing deals.​
Smith rejects claims his multiplicity of deal-making exposes him to accusations of conflict of interest, saying, ''I am acting for the sport, and not the sport and the broadcaster at the same time. If I was doing the AFL and the NRL at the same time, it would be a problem.''​
Smith is convinced all sports will receive more from their next broadcasting deals. ''I am very confident that the leading professional sports will continue to grow. Popular sports guarantee TV audiences. The fragmentation of audiences across more channels on free-to-air and pay TV, and now through broadband, will ensure an increase in overall audiences watching the game and holding it for longer.''​
Nor does he see an increase in one sport's rights income necessarily being at the expense of another, although it seems certain Channel Nine - desperate to hold NRL rights - will not pitch seriously for AFL, leaving the Seven-Ten consortium as the only bidder.​
He cites NRL as an ''excellent TV product'' and notes Gallop is considering unbundling the existing rights of the Telstra premiership, State of Origin and Four Nations tournament, although Channel Nine believes its first-and-last rights deal prevents the NRL from doing this.​
Of rugby union, he says: ''The new SANZAR Melbourne team in Australia's second-largest market, together with a guaranteed finalist from the five Australian teams, will give the competition a real boost. Last year, the Waratahs effectively disappeared off our TV screens for three weeks because they were playing in South Africa after midnight in Australia. This will happen less under the new contract.''​
Of cricket: ''The international runaway success of the Twenty20, especially IPL, is a clear indicator the market has adopted another form of cricket. Similarly, the success of the KFC Big Bash this season, with the inclusion of international players, has been a big success.''​
However, the Australian sports market is highly competitive, with more national leagues per million of population than any other nation.​
''There are clubs that are financially challenged,'' Smith said, pointing to Super 14's Queensland Reds, recently taken over by the ARU; the A-League's North Queensland Fury being bailed out by FFA; the AFL's Port Adelaide, which sought a merger with a more cashed-up second-tier club; and NRL team Cronulla's ongoing problems with the bottom line.​
''The picture for the football codes is rosy only while all teams are competitive and guaranteeing an audience to TV.''​
Smith is a gold medal-winning rower, winning Australia's first ever World Championship in the lightweight fours at Lucerne in 1974. He subsequently won medals at the following three World Championships and, as chairman of Rowing Australia, he will lead the sport to the London Olympics.​
While he may have multiple oars in the water at once, he is confident he can negotiate the murky waters of Australian TV, with its history of conspiring to depress rights fees to sport.​
Haha, yeh sounds just like someone we should be basing our future decisions on

“Of rugby union, he says: ''The new SANZAR Melbourne team in Australia's second-largest market, together with a guaranteed finalist from the five Australian teams, will give the competition a real boost. “
 

Wb1234

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Didn't Butthurtski say a few months ago that a Perth-based team might need to take games to Perth Stadium due to PRS only having 20k seats?

Does he really think a Perth-based team can host a game at 6pm AWST on a Thursday or Friday night and draw 20k fans through the gate?
Butthurski

omg
 

Bukowski

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Haha, yeh sounds just like someone we should be basing our future decisions on

“Of rugby union, he says: ''The new SANZAR Melbourne team in Australia's second-largest market, together with a guaranteed finalist from the five Australian teams, will give the competition a real boost. “
Let's listen to that guy.
 
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