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18th club, whose next?

Perth Red

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Why do you rant and rave about the NRL being broadcast into Melbourne on 9Gem?

AwFuL is broadcast into Brisbane and Sydney on 7mate. It hasn't stopped the Lions from drawing an average of 48k viewers in Brisbane. AwFuL games in general draw 30k viewers in Brisbane.

Get it through your thick skull that rugby league is a minority sport in Melbourne and Perth. Stop making dumb excuses for the poor ratings and participation rate in these markets. It's got nothing to do with negligence on behalf of the ARLC and Ch9.
How much has afl invested in brisbane compared to nrl investment in perth and melbourne? Ever heard of RoI?
you’re literally showing us an example of why the nrl should be investing a lot more in wa and vic!
 

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“the profit before tax for the Group, for CY23, is expected to surge approximately 70% to 80% above the 2022 result of $4.7 million.”
I’m so glad they cut grassroots funding so news ltd could earn more money from the broncos!
 

Wb1234

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How much has afl invested in brisbane compared to nrl investment in perth and melbourne? Ever heard of RoI?
you’re literally showing us an example of why the nrl should be investing a lot more in wa and vic!
Afl in western Sydney or Gold Coast terrible roi
I’m so glad they cut grassroots funding so news ltd could earn more money from the broncos!
And you were arguing that they aren’t the most profitable football club in Australia

also argued that the extra arlc money to clubs wasn’t showing in their profits

owning an nrl club is a license to print money

just not in perf
 

Perth Red

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Investment has f**k all to do with people watching the game or not
Of course it has. Media attention, kids programs, schools programs, clubs with money to spend on marketing, on field success, and ticket subsidies. All plays a part in developing active fanbases.
 

Iamback

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Of course it has. Media attention, kids programs, schools programs, clubs with money to spend on marketing, on field success, and ticket subsidies. All plays a part in developing active fanbases.

What does a show on a secondary channel rate at 6pm?
 
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And how much have afl invested in brisbane?
probably $300-400mill.

Are you dumb enough to think the money AwFuL "invested" in Brisbane is the reason 48k people from the Brisbane market watch the Lions on 7mate?

Fumbleball was played in Brisbane before rugby league existed. The QAFL was a strong competition. You really don't know anything about rugby league and fumbleball in Brisbane.

It's insane to think the ARLC will invest $300-400m on Perth or Melbourne. It's even crazier to think an investment of that amount will convert fumbleball fans from Perth and Melbourne into rugby league fans. This is the problem with your stance on expansion. Your conclusions are based on faulty premisses that make no sense. You're not the only one who's guilty of it. The nutcase from Canberra has been dribbling the same shit for years.

Of course it has. Media attention, kids programs, schools programs, clubs with money to spend on marketing, on field success, and ticket subsidies. All plays a part in developing active fanbases.

The ARLC doesn't have the money to spend up big on "promotion" in Adelaide, Melbourne and Perth.

Do you think that posting the same tiresome shit on here for 15 years will lead to money appearing out of thin air?
 

Canard

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And to claim that QLD was some sort of AFL hotbed before the Bears arrived.

f**k me, is this Gills account?
 

mongoose

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And to claim that QLD was some sort of AFL hotbed before the Bears arrived.

f**k me, is this Gills account?
yeah the Brisbane 'Skase' Bears were a joke in the 80s and 90s. AFL had a very tiny profile in Brisbane up until 2001... You wouldn't dare mention you like AFL at any brisbane school during the 90s.
 

Canard

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yeah the Brisbane 'Skase' Bears were a joke in the 80s and 90s. AFL had a very tiny profile in Brisbane up until 2001... You wouldn't dare mention you like AFL at any brisbane school during the 90s.
The media coverage of the "southern" game was next to nothing, even after the Bears arrived.

There was a famous example of them losing by 200 points (or something like that), and the Courier-Mail didn't even print the scores, let alone give it any coverage.
 
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yeah the Brisbane 'Skase' Bears were a joke in the 80s and 90s. AFL had a very tiny profile in Brisbane up until 2001... You wouldn't dare mention you like AFL at any brisbane school during the 90s.

I went to school in Brisbane during the 1990s. Fumbleball wasn't popular at the primary school I attended, but it wasn't hated, either. The high school I attended had fumbleball in its curriculum.

The QAFL was a strong competiton.

The Brisbane Bears weren't a joke in 1996. They were pulling strong crowds at a run down Gabba with a winning team and were getting strong coverage from the Brisbane media. An average of 18k fans flocked to the Gabba in 1996 to watch the Bears. To put that into perspective, Melbourne drew an average of 17k at MRS in 2023. This is a fair comparison because the Bears and Storm finished in the top four in 1996 and 2023.


Wikipedia backs me up on fumbleball's long history in Queensland:

Australian rules football in Queensland (typically referred to as "AFL", or less frequently "Australian Football", "Aussie Rules" or "Australian Rules") was the first official football code played in 1866.[3] The Colony of Queensland was the second after Victoria to adopt Australian rules football, just days after the rules were widely published. For two decades it was the most popular football code, however a strong desire for representative football success saw Queenslanders favour British football variants for more than a century. As a result, Queensland is one of the two states to the east of the Australian cultural divide described as the Barassi Line. 120 years later in 1986 Queensland was the first state awarded a licence to have a club, the Brisbane Bears, in the national (AFL) competition, also its first privately owned club. However the Gold Coast based Bears had a detrimental effect until the 1993 redevelopment of the Brisbane Cricket Ground (Gabba). In contrast the Bears transformation into a Brisbane and traditional membership based club resulted in enormous growth, and a tripling of average AFL attendances by 1996.[4][5][6]


Christopher Skase hurt fumbleball in the late 1980s and early 1990s because he was a crook and based the team at Carrara.

Gold Coast Australian Football League campaigned to join the VFL in 1982.

QAFL applied to join the VFL in 1986.

A Gold Coast QAFL team called South Port Sharks applied to join AwFuL in 1996.

1982 – February 10. Gold Coast Australian Football league launches a campaign to have a VFL team based on the Gold Coast within five years.

1986 – May 22. QAFL President announces plans to introduce a team into Queensland. While wanting to field a Queensland side in its own right, they felt that having a relocated side was more likely.

1986 – July 1. VFL Commissioner reported in talks with consortium over possible team in Queensland

1986 – July 29. Kevin Bartlett writes that the national league wont get off the ground. (Football Limited pg 154)
1986, July 31. The VFL reaffirms its commitment to a national competition in 1987, with a preference for a team from Brisbane. The league was uncertain as to whether teams from SA or WA would be involved.

1986 – Fitzroy board approves an in principle move to Brisbane 5-3. It was later declared a “straw vote”.

1986 – August 19. Paul Cronin and the QAFL join forces for their bid, leaving Alistair Norwood (Jeans West) and John Brown out on their own. Cronin was providing most of the funding.

1986 – October 1. VFL Board of Directors approves teams from Western Australia and Queensland to join the VFL in 1987.

1986 – October 1. Richmond propose to play 11 games a year in Brisbane. (The Phoenix Rises pg. 78) Richmond, with the strong backing of president-elect Alan Bond, announced it was planning to play 11 away games in Brisbane from the 1987 season onwards, with 11 home games at the MCG.

1986 – October 4. Perth clothing millionare Allister Norwood withdraws from the bidding for a Queensland side.

1986 – October 7. A syndicate headed by Actor Paul Cronin and the QAFL wins the right to field a new team in Brisbane. The VFL directors vote is unanimous.

1986 – October 30. VFL Commission notes with concern that Skase intended to base the Bears in Carrara. The league specified that this cold only be a temporary arrangement.

1986, December 3. The new Queensland club is launched as the Brisbane Bears.

1989 – August 9. North Melbourne president Bob Ansett says he is considering an offer from a Queensland entrepreneur to buy the privately owned football club and relocate to Brisbane

1989 – November. Brisbane is effectively Broke. Mr Cronin had indicated that the companies involved in the Brisbane Bears structure could survive providing a capital injection of $3 million prior to Christmas and a further $3 million by February 1990 was provided. Mr Cronin further advised that none of the club’s existing creditors were likely to make a move against the club prior to Christmas, however they needed the League’s co-operation to bring forward its December distribution entitlement of $100,000 in order that staff salaries could be met.

1990 – February 16. Pelerman finalises his takever and formally takes control of Brisbane.

1992 – Reuben Pelerman voluntarily returns Brisbane to the AFL and subsequently to a member owned structure.

1996 - Southport (QAFL) make a bid for an AFL license, but are denied

1996 – May 13. A Brisbane merger offer is formally rejected by the Fitzroy board.

1996 – June 24. The Brisbane Bears are contacted by Fitzroy and advised to submit their best merger offer to Fitzroy for consideration.

1996 – July 3. The Fitzroy board re-opens merger discussions with the Brisbane Bears. The Bears are told that the merger door with Fitzroy is “open half an inch”

1996 – July 4. AFL Presidents’ Meeting rejects the Fitzroy-North Melbourne merger. After a meeting between the administrator of Fitzroy and the AFL commission, the AFL commission recommends a Bears-Fitzroy merger. North Melbourne withdraws from the merger race. A reconvened AFL presidents’ meeting endorses the AFL commission’s recommendation of a Brisbane Bears-Fitzroy merger.

1996 – November 1. Brisbane Lions officially launch.

1998 – A Commission is launched into the improving football in Queensland resulting in the formation of AFL Queensland.


 

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