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Yet the Central Coast Mariners are two time A League Premiers and also won the other two titles this season plus look at the Central Coast talent running around in the NRL atm.
Who are the Central Coast Tigers ?.

I had Tigers on the brain. I meant Central Coast Bears.

There's a post on Reddit purported to be an email from the Central Coast Mariners chairman. It says the club has finished every season at a financial loss.

Mariners currently operating at a $2M loss

An insightful email to CCM members from the chair Rich Peil

"Dear Mariners Community,

Happy New Year. I hope 2023 is off to a great start for you all.

I’m sure that, like me, you are excited and proud of the team’s current position on the ladder, and the attractive brand of attacking football we are playing with the youngest roster in the league (many home-grown academy players). I can assure you this is driven by the hard work put in by Nick Montgomery, Sergio Raimundo and all their staff, and that none of this is by chance.

A major commitment of mine for 2023 is to be even more open & honest with you, the Mariners community, on everything about the club. As part of this commitment to transparency, I plan to communicate directly with you all from time to time on key issues, including whenever it becomes necessary to ‘set the record straight’, and also when I need your help. This message falls into both categories.

It is very easy for us all to gauge the ‘health’ of the club from a pure football perspective, simply by looking at how well we are playing and the results we are achieving on the field. We are a **very** healthy club through this lens, despite having the lowest budget. The Mariners’ financial health though is much harder for fans to gauge, and candidly, there are some misconceptions circulating that I think are important to clarify. So here are some key **facts**:

To my knowledge, the Mariners have never made a financial year profit. The club has finished every financial year at a loss, since its inception.

For the 2022/23 financial year, based on our latest forecasts, we expect to lose over $2,000,000. This is the absolute, bottom-line figure including income from player transfers, and even achieving this result is dependent upon the club meeting some targets that frankly aren’t certain. This $2,000,000+ will be paid by myself personally, driven from my desire to secure the long term future of the Mariners here on the Central Coast and my passion for Australian Football – this can’t be achieved without everyone’s support.

Asset-wise, the Mariners football club does not own any land, buildings, property or facilities. Although they have our logo and signage, the club’s head office, training grounds and facilities are all **leased**, and we pay rent to third parties to use and occupy them. We are, however, grateful to Mike Charlesworth for providing the club a concessional rent rate on the training ground at Tuggerah.

I’m sharing this information for two main reasons. Firstly, to clear up the misbelief held by some in our community that the Mariners are ‘asset rich’, which is simply not the case. Secondly, and more importantly, to provide you with honest context to underpin the second half of this communication: me asking you for your help.

We are working on some promising initiatives at the club right now to hopefully improve its economics, including new partnerships and passive income ventures. I’m optimistic that most of these will succeed. However, alone, they will not solve the problem; that will only happen with your support, particularly in the following 3 areas:

**Fill the Stadium:** Our major goal at the club is to have at least 8,000 proud, loud & passionate Mariners fans at every home game. This must be achieved within the next 2 seasons for the future stability of the club. To those of you who already come to home games, sincerely, thank you for your support. To everyone in our community though, my ask is this: please encourage everyone you know to come to matches. Friends, family, colleagues, customers, neighbours, randoms in the street, anyone and everyone. The best way to grow our game attendance is through your word of mouth. We recently had 6,914 people at our game against Adelaide, if every attendee convinced just one person to come with them, we would be back to our ‘heyday’ crowds of over 12,000 people. Please bring your friends and family to the games, we really would like all ‘coasties’ to be part of the game day euphoria!

**Grow the Family:** In the coming weeks, we’ll be announcing a revamp to our existing membership structure, to pave the way for more supporters to join the Mariners family, particularly non-attending Mariners fans. Whilst CCM is undoubtedly a Central Coast team, you don’t have to live on the coast to love and support our club. Over the next 3 years we hope to build a membership base of over 10,000 non-attendee supporters, each paying a mere $3 per month. Individually, these financial contributions will be small, but collectively, they have the potential to be huge for our club. More details will follow soon, but my plea for your help in this space is simple: encourage everyone you know to join the Mariners family. If you can’t get them to games, get them to enjoy in the Mariners magic from home.

**Drive Business Partnerships:** There are approximately 25,000 businesses operating on the Central Coast, across a wide range of industries. Some of you will own these businesses, or be employed by them, or be customers of them. My third plea is to ask that you help us garner further support from the business community. If you own a business and you’re capable of supporting our great club, please [click here](https://l.e.ccmariners.com.au/ls/click?upn=N9WffP-2BN68QYIz9k64j5jtZ-2BI16BAgUpaG45pGKmGjfuIE9cqNLCR-2Fm7N0-2BEmBgcm-2BqC6a0Td6uRNuxhwSa8ag-3D-3DpSPp_iN-2BqGVShnWxHD1GQM-2BzPDrSDwSRjA-2Fej8SQD2euxUR-2FUCR3pH090ry8qo9-2FqeKq7pyUg90YmmMngz87AQ0-2Ft7Sn5m3ygcWGsH3nth99L3NPkqpxuNacwNj39QFat-2FSZaGHCsq-2BAcn0-2BuH3nrYDsI69NQE2YeI-2FN0BrGZgu3nlnASpnNZiFZChF2JqnahPVHKz8nW93lt5hQjx2HymSEAJudD7nbe37jhSJ33W9XB0K08hhXDWwrWajVk7jmYumfGbOABVfvPM29lMx8VVqZdFkWEZ4GECKxaY-2BjP7wujjh6HyjlrImeryTbGDmYiSsJfohu10O9KlLUDphBgoLV0t5jCfoLdEM2g4qfqQu9Xv159O7-2BKTtAC77BaUq3koSDKvCIN1jXDQd2iuIvmONwrYzkGU226-2Fdg3OClZsFmBZn6iW8VZsvAD5dOyURpsYgyA3jTapjEc7im5qTfuNaynlN7pCPk-2FsP5EuwnJsCtrVn1Lmt-2Fjo1KrrzkV6wFmSLFr2rLD9ngDb8jNQ-2FJz5e7wgx9ri4JA-2FQ-2FZSStp8Oo99WbLISrd8jyvceqXb1p98WlVLs5XUC2a87tmgFRlEqs6SQooK-2B5zJ95D-2F242mWRUKKxZ-2F6LyJjj1leond1yb-2Bf9M7QAJmKL2eXpWFCSdfbZIW8bUSKxdRm22eYin4kcGPbc-3D). If you work for a local business, or are a frequent customer of one, please encourage the business to get on board and feel free to share this email with them. A business doesn’t have to be huge or spend massive dollars to be involved. We have sponsorship options for as little as $2500 which give the business great value in return (whether in advertising or hospitality, or both). Candidly, every cent helps.

I know what it’s like to get asked for help and I know it can be fatiguing. However, I’m hopeful that this open & honest request will show you why it’s needed, and also show how you can support us non-financially too, by spreading the word and encouraging others to join & support the Mariners community.

The Mariners are the only national sporting team on the Central Coast, and I hope you agree it is essential that it lives on in a sustainable manner. Our recent on-field success and incredible player development stories are proof that the club is poised for an exciting future. If we work together, I’m confident we can achieve the extraordinary, stabilize the financial position of the club, and continue to compete to bring home the Champions Trophy.

Thank you for reading this and for your continued support. I look forward to seeing you at our next home game.

Yours faithfully,

Rich Peil

Chair - Central Coast Mariners FC"

 
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Forgot to mention Newcastle wests owns seven … yes that’s right seven other licensed premises

and funded the clubs centre of excellence from Their own funds rather than bumming off the taxpayer
That's nice. Doesn't change the fact the Cowboys draw better ratings on Foxtel.

Don't take my word for it. Wookie has the data on his site.

Brisbane were also dominant on Foxtels set top box programming, averaging 288,000 per game

Sth Sydney 270,000
Melbourne 267,000
Nth Queensland 259,000
Penrith 257,000​

 

Wb1234

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That's nice. Doesn't change the fact the Cowboys draw better ratings on Foxtel.

Don't take my word for it. Wookie has the data on his site.

Brisbane were also dominant on Foxtels set top box programming, averaging 288,000 per game​
Sth Sydney 270,000​
Melbourne 267,000​
Nth Queensland 259,000​
Penrith 257,000​

Wow two Sydney clubs getting similar ratings to a club representing the whole of Brisbane

good stuff
 

Wb1234

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I had Tigers on the brain. I meant Central Coast Bears.

There's a post on Reddit purported to be an email from the Central Coast Mariners chairman. It says the club has finished every season at a financial loss.

Mariners currently operating at a $2M loss​
An insightful email to CCM members from the chair Rich Peil​
"Dear Mariners Community,​
Happy New Year. I hope 2023 is off to a great start for you all.​
I’m sure that, like me, you are excited and proud of the team’s current position on the ladder, and the attractive brand of attacking football we are playing with the youngest roster in the league (many home-grown academy players). I can assure you this is driven by the hard work put in by Nick Montgomery, Sergio Raimundo and all their staff, and that none of this is by chance.​
A major commitment of mine for 2023 is to be even more open & honest with you, the Mariners community, on everything about the club. As part of this commitment to transparency, I plan to communicate directly with you all from time to time on key issues, including whenever it becomes necessary to ‘set the record straight’, and also when I need your help. This message falls into both categories.​
It is very easy for us all to gauge the ‘health’ of the club from a pure football perspective, simply by looking at how well we are playing and the results we are achieving on the field. We are a **very** healthy club through this lens, despite having the lowest budget. The Mariners’ financial health though is much harder for fans to gauge, and candidly, there are some misconceptions circulating that I think are important to clarify. So here are some key **facts**:​
To my knowledge, the Mariners have never made a financial year profit. The club has finished every financial year at a loss, since its inception.​
For the 2022/23 financial year, based on our latest forecasts, we expect to lose over $2,000,000. This is the absolute, bottom-line figure including income from player transfers, and even achieving this result is dependent upon the club meeting some targets that frankly aren’t certain. This $2,000,000+ will be paid by myself personally, driven from my desire to secure the long term future of the Mariners here on the Central Coast and my passion for Australian Football – this can’t be achieved without everyone’s support.​
Asset-wise, the Mariners football club does not own any land, buildings, property or facilities. Although they have our logo and signage, the club’s head office, training grounds and facilities are all **leased**, and we pay rent to third parties to use and occupy them. We are, however, grateful to Mike Charlesworth for providing the club a concessional rent rate on the training ground at Tuggerah.​
I’m sharing this information for two main reasons. Firstly, to clear up the misbelief held by some in our community that the Mariners are ‘asset rich’, which is simply not the case. Secondly, and more importantly, to provide you with honest context to underpin the second half of this communication: me asking you for your help.​
We are working on some promising initiatives at the club right now to hopefully improve its economics, including new partnerships and passive income ventures. I’m optimistic that most of these will succeed. However, alone, they will not solve the problem; that will only happen with your support, particularly in the following 3 areas:​
**Fill the Stadium:** Our major goal at the club is to have at least 8,000 proud, loud & passionate Mariners fans at every home game. This must be achieved within the next 2 seasons for the future stability of the club. To those of you who already come to home games, sincerely, thank you for your support. To everyone in our community though, my ask is this: please encourage everyone you know to come to matches. Friends, family, colleagues, customers, neighbours, randoms in the street, anyone and everyone. The best way to grow our game attendance is through your word of mouth. We recently had 6,914 people at our game against Adelaide, if every attendee convinced just one person to come with them, we would be back to our ‘heyday’ crowds of over 12,000 people. Please bring your friends and family to the games, we really would like all ‘coasties’ to be part of the game day euphoria!​
**Grow the Family:** In the coming weeks, we’ll be announcing a revamp to our existing membership structure, to pave the way for more supporters to join the Mariners family, particularly non-attending Mariners fans. Whilst CCM is undoubtedly a Central Coast team, you don’t have to live on the coast to love and support our club. Over the next 3 years we hope to build a membership base of over 10,000 non-attendee supporters, each paying a mere $3 per month. Individually, these financial contributions will be small, but collectively, they have the potential to be huge for our club. More details will follow soon, but my plea for your help in this space is simple: encourage everyone you know to join the Mariners family. If you can’t get them to games, get them to enjoy in the Mariners magic from home.​
**Drive Business Partnerships:** There are approximately 25,000 businesses operating on the Central Coast, across a wide range of industries. Some of you will own these businesses, or be employed by them, or be customers of them. My third plea is to ask that you help us garner further support from the business community. If you own a business and you’re capable of supporting our great club, please [click here](https://l.e.ccmariners.com.au/ls/click?upn=N9WffP-2BN68QYIz9k64j5jtZ-2BI16BAgUpaG45pGKmGjfuIE9cqNLCR-2Fm7N0-2BEmBgcm-2BqC6a0Td6uRNuxhwSa8ag-3D-3DpSPp_iN-2BqGVShnWxHD1GQM-2BzPDrSDwSRjA-2Fej8SQD2euxUR-2FUCR3pH090ry8qo9-2FqeKq7pyUg90YmmMngz87AQ0-2Ft7Sn5m3ygcWGsH3nth99L3NPkqpxuNacwNj39QFat-2FSZaGHCsq-2BAcn0-2BuH3nrYDsI69NQE2YeI-2FN0BrGZgu3nlnASpnNZiFZChF2JqnahPVHKz8nW93lt5hQjx2HymSEAJudD7nbe37jhSJ33W9XB0K08hhXDWwrWajVk7jmYumfGbOABVfvPM29lMx8VVqZdFkWEZ4GECKxaY-2BjP7wujjh6HyjlrImeryTbGDmYiSsJfohu10O9KlLUDphBgoLV0t5jCfoLdEM2g4qfqQu9Xv159O7-2BKTtAC77BaUq3koSDKvCIN1jXDQd2iuIvmONwrYzkGU226-2Fdg3OClZsFmBZn6iW8VZsvAD5dOyURpsYgyA3jTapjEc7im5qTfuNaynlN7pCPk-2FsP5EuwnJsCtrVn1Lmt-2Fjo1KrrzkV6wFmSLFr2rLD9ngDb8jNQ-2FJz5e7wgx9ri4JA-2FQ-2FZSStp8Oo99WbLISrd8jyvceqXb1p98WlVLs5XUC2a87tmgFRlEqs6SQooK-2B5zJ95D-2F242mWRUKKxZ-2F6LyJjj1leond1yb-2Bf9M7QAJmKL2eXpWFCSdfbZIW8bUSKxdRm22eYin4kcGPbc-3D). If you work for a local business, or are a frequent customer of one, please encourage the business to get on board and feel free to share this email with them. A business doesn’t have to be huge or spend massive dollars to be involved. We have sponsorship options for as little as $2500 which give the business great value in return (whether in advertising or hospitality, or both). Candidly, every cent helps.​
I know what it’s like to get asked for help and I know it can be fatiguing. However, I’m hopeful that this open & honest request will show you why it’s needed, and also show how you can support us non-financially too, by spreading the word and encouraging others to join & support the Mariners community.​
The Mariners are the only national sporting team on the Central Coast, and I hope you agree it is essential that it lives on in a sustainable manner. Our recent on-field success and incredible player development stories are proof that the club is poised for an exciting future. If we work together, I’m confident we can achieve the extraordinary, stabilize the financial position of the club, and continue to compete to bring home the Champions Trophy.​
Thank you for reading this and for your continued support. I look forward to seeing you at our next home game.​
Yours faithfully,​
Rich Peil​
Chair - Central Coast Mariners FC"​
That loss is now closer to 4 million pa with the cut in a league grant distribution lol
 
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Everybody in PNG is getting membership for free courtesy of Aussie taxpayers provided they don't talk to China.
Most Papuans won't be able to watch their team play on TV.

By recent estimates only 13% of PNG’s population is connected to reliable electricity, predominantly in urban areas. This places PNG’s rate of energy poverty among the highest globally, comparable with countries in Sub-Saharan Africa [3], [4].

 

Iamback

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I don't know. You'd hope so. But I think people are being dazzled by this 600mill figure and think in 10 years time png will be self sufficient.
There's no evidence of that over the last 49 years of independence.

I trust the greed of the clubs to do their homework on this. They want their revenue to grow so will do their checks to ensure the case is solid
 

Iamback

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Are you serious, or just defending it because you think it should be against the rules to criticise stupid claims?

The only way they ever get to 1m members is if they give memberships away with birth certificates.

I think memberships are a flawed metric anyway, Do I think they will have 1m paying members? no chance BUT NRL clubs now hand out memberships.

So I can how the club can get those figures, particularly with the govt involvement and wanting to improve Education.

Maybe they use membership as an incentive for attending school or something similar

I expect Perth will have some handouts too ftr, It is how these things usually work
 

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