18th club, whose next?

[BuffaloRules]

Team 18 announcement expected in September apparently…

 

[Centy Coast]

Magpies were a basket case and had no money. It's a wonder they made it as far as they did. By 1999 they were fielding a reserve grade team and running on the smell of an oily rag. Should have been punted in the eaely 1980s.

Chargers had money in the bank and made the finals in 1997.

Bears were strong on the field in the 90s, but lacked resources to compete off the field. The game was fully professional in 1999 and the Bears were operating on an outdated business model from fhe semi-professional era. The club's poor business model saw them fail to maintain a 50% stake in the Northern Eagles. The Bears didn't experience any success on the field since the 1920s and were no loss to the game.

After one a half years, the Dolphins are bigger, stronger and more popular than the Bears ever were in their 91 year history.

Crushers were a dud club and were given no assistance from News Ltd when the print media still had influence.

ARL set the four expansion clubs up to fail by forcing them to cover the travel and accommodation costs of broke NSWRL clubs.

We aren’t talking about the Dolphins, we are talking about the Rams, the Chargers, the Crushers, the Mariners and the Reds.
The Chargers were a basket case like their previous incarnations on the Gold Coast, even the Titans were horrible before the new owners came in.
The Chargers made the Finals in a piss weak ARL competition, who cares, where did they come in 1998 when the two competitions came together ?.
I would have loved to have seen the Bulldogs play Wynnum-Manly back in 1984, in those days the good clubs in the QRL would’ve given their NSWRL counterparts a decent challenge.

 

[Wb1234]

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We aren’t talking about the Dolphins, we are talking about the Rams, the Chargers, the Crushers, the Mariners and the Reds.
The Chargers were a basket case like their previous incarnations on the Gold Coast, even the Titans were horrible before the new owners came in.
The Chargers made the Finals in a piss weak ARL competition, who cares, where did they come in 1998 when the two competitions came together ?.

they had one million cash in the bank which wasn’t counted for the criteria on clubs being retained

 

[MugaB]

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That's more like it.

Triggered

 

[Pippen94]

Team 18 announcement expected in September apparently…

Who said?!

 

[MugaB]

. Brisbane Tigers are older than them you goose.

 

[Wb1234]

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[flippikat]

How do you explain Super League drawing larger attendances than ARL in 97?

Only three Super League clubs folded: Reds, Mariners and Rams.

Almost three times as many ARL clubs died: Crushers, Dragons, Steelers, Rabbitohs, Sea Eagles, Bears, Magpies and Tigers.

Exactly - well, died or merged anyway.

Super League had designs on a Melbourne team, and the Mariners (largely unloved in Newcastle) & Perth (bleeding red ink) were straightforward choices at the time to axe at the end of 1997 to effectively give the Storm a flying start at assembling a squad.

That's 2/3rds of Super League's own rationalization right there - and the only other club lost from Superleague was the Rams, which with only 2 years under their belt & being in AFL-land, pulling their funding & precipitating their demise was relatively easy compared to making tough calls on more established clubs.

Superleague/News Ltd won the war, and got the NRL to make tough choices that punished ARL-loyal clubs far more than Super League clubs.

 

[Wb1234]

Exactly - well, died or merged anyway.

Super League had designs on a Melbourne team, and the Mariners (largely unloved in Newcastle) & Perth (bleeding red ink) were straightforward choices at the time to axe at the end of 1997 to effectively give the Storm a flying start at assembling a squad.

That's 2/3rds of Super League's own rationalization right there - and the only other club lost from Superleague was the Rams, which with only 2 years under their belt & being in AFL-land, pulling their funding & precipitating their demise was relatively easy compared to making tough calls on more established clubs.

Superleague/News Ltd won the war, and got the NRL to make tough choices that punished ARL-loyal clubs far more than Super League clubs.

Don’t forget rugby league in China

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You want expansion so you get more teams you can watch once a year

I want expansion bc I want the game to grow

we are not the same

You want a NSWRL competition with a few token teams to bulk up its commercial value and provide more money for clubs in Sydney. But you won't want the competition to be run professionally. You'll want most of Sydney's nine clubs to play out of dilapidated suburban grounds with the draw rigged in their favour so they travel the least and have the best schedules and turnarounds, with the GF at Stadium Australia every year. You'll even push for dead Sydney clubs that were never successful to steal licences from expansion markets so you can have a 10th and 11th Sydney brand to watch.

Anyone with a brain knows that Queenslanders hate NSW and couldn't be f**ked into watching them play. Go look at the ratings in Brisbane to see my point. Adding the Bears won't do anything for ratings in Brisbane. The game already has 10 clubs in Sydney. There's only four teams in Queensland. That's not enough to cover the three FTA timeslots in Brisbane every round. Hence the reason Ch9 want a third Brisbane team. I'm sure you'll ignore this point and bring up something irrelevant and say "lol".

 

[Wb1234]

You want a NSWRL competition with a few token teams to bulk up its commercial value and provide more money for clubs in Sydney. But you won't want the competition to be run professionally. You'll want most of Sydney's nine clubs to play out of dilapidated suburban grounds with the draw rigged in their favour so they travel the least and have the best schedules and turnarounds, with the GF at Stadium Australia every year. You'll even push for dead Sydney clubs that were never successful to steal licences from expansion markets so you can have a 10th and 11th Sydney brand to watch.

Anyone with a brain knows that Queenslanders hate NSW and couldn't be f**ked into watching them play. Go look at the ratings in Brisbane to see my point. Adding the Bears won't do anything for ratings in Brisbane. The game already has 10 clubs in Sydney. There's only four teams in Queensland. That's not enough to cover the three FTA timeslots in Brisbane every round. Hence the reason Ch9 want a third Brisbane team. I'm sure you'll ignore this point and bring up something irrelevant and say "lol".

It’s not what I want

the nrl is a Sydney centric comp

not our fault your comp was so bad we had to create qld teams to join ours lol

if the brl was a decent comp it wouldn’t have needed to have teams from qld added to the nswrl

don’t blame us we are the one pushing expansion

LOGAN

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Exactly - well, died or merged anyway.

Super League had designs on a Melbourne team, and the Mariners (largely unloved in Newcastle) & Perth (bleeding red ink) were straightforward choices at the time to axe at the end of 1997 to effectively give the Storm a flying start at assembling a squad.

That's 2/3rds of Super League's own rationalization right there - and the only other club lost from Superleague was the Rams, which with only 2 years under their belt & being in AFL-land, pulling their funding & precipitating their demise was relatively easy compared to making tough calls on more established clubs.

Superleague/News Ltd won the war, and got the NRL to make tough choices that punished ARL-loyal clubs far more than Super League clubs.

There are delusional NSWRL fans on here who think their "side" won the Super League war. The only winner out of it was News Ltd. It got the content it needed to acquire customers for Foxtel in the Northern states. They got the broadcast rights for very cheap between 98-12. They're still getting the bigger end of the deal at broadcast negotiations.

The game has finally recovered from the fallout. Sadly, instead of capitalising on its growth, it is allowing the status quo in Sydney to keep the game in the 20th century and risk creating another Super League 2.0.

 

[flippikat]

if the brl was a decent comp it wouldn’t have needed to have teams from qld added to the nswrl

Hard to keep on being a quality competition when NSW clubs had a huge financial advantage (pokie machine money) that enabled them to tilt the player market in their favor.

 

[Wb1234]

Hard to keep on being a quality competition when NSW clubs had a huge financial advantage (pokie machine money) that enabled them to tilt the player market in their favor.

Nswrl was dominant from 1908

pokies came in the 1960s

any more excuses ?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

It’s not what I want

the nrl is a Sydney centric comp

not our fault your comp was so bad we had to create qld teams to join ours lol

if the brl was a decent comp it wouldn’t have needed to have teams from qld added to the nswrl

don’t blame us we are the one pushing expansion

LOGAN

Are you trolling or do you not know anything about history?

The reason the NSWRL became the national competition was because of gaming machine revenue. NSW was the only jurisdiction in the country that allowed licenced venues to generate revenue from gaming machines between the late 1950s and 1991. Queensland and Victoria didn't legalise gaming machines until 1991. Tasmania, ACT and Northern Territory followed suit in the late 90s.

Most of the Sydney clubs rely heavily on gaming machine revenue to survive in 2024. Some Sydney clubs struggle to generate $10m from football operations, but are able to reel in $50m from punters playing the pokies. Compare that to the Broncos who generate almost $50m from football operations and reel in $10-15m from gaming. Cowboys generate about $24m from football operations and about $15-18m from gaming.

Easts Tigers and Redcliffe Dolphins have probably worked themselves into a stronger position than every Sydney club since they gained access to pokies 30 years ago. It's proof that there wasn't anything special about the NSWRL and its clubs that allowed them to become the nucleus of the "national" competition. They just had the fortune of having access to gaming machine revenue for 30 years while the BRL clubs didn't.

 

[Wb1234]

Are you trolling or do you not know anything about history?

The reason the NSWRL became the national competition was because of gaming machine revenue. NSW was the only jurisdiction in the country that allowed licenced venues to generate revenue from gaming machines between the late 1950s and 1991. Queensland and Victoria didn't legalise gaming machines until 1991. Tasmania, ACT and Northern Territory followed suit in the late 90s.

Most of the Sydney clubs rely heavily on gaming machine revenue to survive in 2024. Some Sydney clubs struggle to generate $10m from football operations, but are able to reel in $50m from punters playing the pokies. Compare that to the Broncos who generate almost $50m from football operations and reel in $10-15m from gaming. Cowboys generate about $24m from football operations and about $15-18m from gaming.

Easts Tigers and Redcliffe Dolphins have probably worked themselves into a stronger position than every Sydney club since they gained access to pokies 30 years ago. It's proof that there wasn't anything special about the NSWRL and its clubs that allowed them to become the nucleus of the "national" competition. They just had the fortune of having access to gaming machine revenue for 30 years while the BRL clubs didn't.

I’ll repeat for those in the back

nswrl dominance from 1908
Pokie machines came in 1960

cmon come up with some better arguments this is bs

 

[Wb1234]

Brl clubs were broke

we created the broncos ignoring what the qrl wanted

we added the dolphins to the nrl

rl in qld is strong because of the nswrl lol

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

I’ll repeat for those in the back

nswrl dominance from 1908
Pokie machines came in 1960

cmon come up with some better arguments this is bs

Sigh.

The NSWRL's dominance between 1909 and 1918 was based on a fair chunk of the NSWRU's best players defecting to the NSWRL.

The QRU's players remained loyal until their competition shut down during WWI.

The interstate series between Queensland and NSW was heavily one-sided in the latter's favour until the former gained access to seasoned players from the QRU. Between 1918 and 1930 there was no rugby union competition in Brisbane. During this period Queensland were successful in the interstate series. At the time, players from Brisbane were just as likely to play in the Ipswich and Toowoomba competitions as they were to play in the NSWRL. Queensland was very decentralised back then.

Queensland experienced another period of success during the 1950s. Then the NSW Gov legalised gaming machines in the late 1950s and Queensland struggled until the BRL produced a golden generation of players in the late 1970s. It led to the advent of State of Origin.

Brl clubs were broke

we created the broncos ignoring what the qrl wanted

we added the dolphins to the nrl

rl in qld is strong because of the nswrl lol

The game in Queensland was struggling due to NSWRL raiding the shit out of the BRL. It made the interstate series a boring one-sided contest.

Two things saved the game in Queensland.

1. A golden generation of players from Queensland made their way through the grades in the BRL during the 1970s.

2. The introduction of State of Origin in 1980.​

The Sydney media and NSWRL laughed at the concept and called it a "non-event". That's right mate, if it was up to the NSWRL and Sydney media then Origin would have never been played and the game wouldn't be as big as it is today. But keep telling yourself that the game is in the position it is in due to the NSWRL.

The NSWRL clubs went into overdrive plundering the Origin stars from the BRL in the 1980s. BRL clubs went bankrupt trying to hold onto them because these players drew fans to club games. Unfortunately, they didn't have access to pokie machine revenue. Players defected to NSWRL clubs that had gaming machine revenue. Crowds for BRL games declined. Interest in BRL declined. It was a death spiral that the BRL couldn't survive. One that was caused by NSWRL taking advantage of their access to gaming machine revenue. To argue that gaming machines was not responsible for what happened in 1988 is just plain dumb and makes it impossible to take you seriously.

The NSWRL and Sydney RL fans were quite disgusting during the 1980s. In one instance the Australian Kangaroos coach refused to select players from the Queensland State of Origin team that smashed NSW. Australia lost as a result. Feral fans from Sydney booed Australian captain Wally Lewis as he led the Kangaroos onto the SCG and held up the trophy on stsge. There's no justification for that sort of narrow-minded pettiness. New South Welshmen were throwing a tantrum because the Queenslanders were better than them at rugby league, so they used their influence behind the scenes to punish them. They still do it today. It wasn't that long ago that the ARL sent a shit Sydney Roosters SG Ball team to Scotland to represent Australia at the Commonwealth Games RL Nines trial tournament, despite the Townsville Stingers defeating them in the national championships. Australia lost that tournament to PNG.

The Sydney-centric ARLC will always place the interests of Sydney RL ahead of the good of the game. Don't whinge when it creates apathy and resentment in Queensland and New Zealand. You cannot expect me to be an avid active supporter of the game when it is rigged in favour of Sydney RL clubs. Sadly, you and your mates on here only care about controlling the balance of power and couldn't care less about the long-term health of the game.

V'landys didn't bring in Brisbane 2 out of kindness for Queenslanders.

The Broncos, Cowboys and Titans were struggling on the field and it had an adverse impact on TV ratings. The broadcast rights were up for negotiation. Balance of power was in the hands of the broadcasters due to COVID-19. He had no choice but to strengthen the amount of content in Brisbane.

 

[Wb1234]

Sigh.

The NSWRL's dominance between 1909 and 1918 was based on a fair chunk of the NSWRU's best players defecting to the NSWRL.

The QRU's players remained loyal until their competition shut down during WWI.

The interstate series between Queensland and NSW was heavily one-sided in the latter's favour until the former gained access to seasoned players from the QRU. Between 1918 and 1930 there was no rugby union competition in Brisbane. During this period Queensland were successful in the interstate series. At the time, players from Brisbane were just as likely to play in the Ipswich and Toowoomba competitions as they were to play in the NSWRL. Queensland was very decentralised back then.

Queensland experienced another period of success during the 1950s. Then the NSW Gov legalised gaming machines in the late 1950s and Queensland struggled until the BRL produced a golden generation of players in the late 1970s. It led to the advent of State of Origin. The Sydney media and NSWRL laughed at the concept and called it a "non-event". That's right mate, if it was up to the NSWRL and Sydney media then Origin would have never been played and the game wouldn't be as big as it is today. But keep telling yourself that the game is in the position it is in due to the NSWRL.

1908 to 1960 nswrl dominance without poker machines

Come up with something intelligent this is getting really boring

 

[Milhouse2020]

Explaining the expansion of the NRL to a NSWRL supporter is like explaining molecular theory to a puppy dog.

And that's the way the cookie crumbles.