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Team 18 announcement expected in September apparently…
We aren’t talking about the Dolphins, we are talking about the Rams, the Chargers, the Crushers, the Mariners and the Reds.Magpies were a basket case and had no money. It's a wonder they made it as far as they did. By 1999 they were fielding a reserve grade team and running on the smell of an oily rag. Should have been punted in the eaely 1980s.
Chargers had money in the bank and made the finals in 1997.
Bears were strong on the field in the 90s, but lacked resources to compete off the field. The game was fully professional in 1999 and the Bears were operating on an outdated business model from fhe semi-professional era. The club's poor business model saw them fail to maintain a 50% stake in the Northern Eagles. The Bears didn't experience any success on the field since the 1920s and were no loss to the game.
After one a half years, the Dolphins are bigger, stronger and more popular than the Bears ever were in their 91 year history.
Crushers were a dud club and were given no assistance from News Ltd when the print media still had influence.
ARL set the four expansion clubs up to fail by forcing them to cover the travel and accommodation costs of broke NSWRL clubs.
they had one million cash in the bank which wasn’t counted for the criteria on clubs being retainedWe aren’t talking about the Dolphins, we are talking about the Rams, the Chargers, the Crushers, the Mariners and the Reds.
The Chargers were a basket case like their previous incarnations on the Gold Coast, even the Titans were horrible before the new owners came in.
The Chargers made the Finals in a piss weak ARL competition, who cares, where did they come in 1998 when the two competitions came together ?.
Team 18 announcement expected in September apparently…
Exactly - well, died or merged anyway.How do you explain Super League drawing larger attendances than ARL in 97?
Only three Super League clubs folded: Reds, Mariners and Rams.
Almost three times as many ARL clubs died: Crushers, Dragons, Steelers, Rabbitohs, Sea Eagles, Bears, Magpies and Tigers.
Don’t forget rugby league in ChinaExactly - well, died or merged anyway.
Super League had designs on a Melbourne team, and the Mariners (largely unloved in Newcastle) & Perth (bleeding red ink) were straightforward choices at the time to axe at the end of 1997 to effectively give the Storm a flying start at assembling a squad.
That's 2/3rds of Super League's own rationalization right there - and the only other club lost from Superleague was the Rams, which with only 2 years under their belt & being in AFL-land, pulling their funding & precipitating their demise was relatively easy compared to making tough calls on more established clubs.
Superleague/News Ltd won the war, and got the NRL to make tough choices that punished ARL-loyal clubs far more than Super League clubs.
You want a NSWRL competition with a few token teams to bulk up its commercial value and provide more money for clubs in Sydney. But you won't want the competition to be run professionally. You'll want most of Sydney's nine clubs to play out of dilapidated suburban grounds with the draw rigged in their favour so they travel the least and have the best schedules and turnarounds, with the GF at Stadium Australia every year. You'll even push for dead Sydney clubs that were never successful to steal licences from expansion markets so you can have a 10th and 11th Sydney brand to watch.You want expansion so you get more teams you can watch once a year
I want expansion bc I want the game to grow
we are not the same
It’s not what I wantYou want a NSWRL competition with a few token teams to bulk up its commercial value and provide more money for clubs in Sydney. But you won't want the competition to be run professionally. You'll want most of Sydney's nine clubs to play out of dilapidated suburban grounds with the draw rigged in their favour so they travel the least and have the best schedules and turnarounds, with the GF at Stadium Australia every year. You'll even push for dead Sydney clubs that were never successful to steal licences from expansion markets so you can have a 10th and 11th Sydney brand to watch.
Anyone with a brain knows that Queenslanders hate NSW and couldn't be f**ked into watching them play. Go look at the ratings in Brisbane to see my point. Adding the Bears won't do anything for ratings in Brisbane. The game already has 10 clubs in Sydney. There's only four teams in Queensland. That's not enough to cover the three FTA timeslots in Brisbane every round. Hence the reason Ch9 want a third Brisbane team. I'm sure you'll ignore this point and bring up something irrelevant and say "lol".
There are delusional NSWRL fans on here who think their "side" won the Super League war. The only winner out of it was News Ltd. It got the content it needed to acquire customers for Foxtel in the Northern states. They got the broadcast rights for very cheap between 98-12. They're still getting the bigger end of the deal at broadcast negotiations.Exactly - well, died or merged anyway.
Super League had designs on a Melbourne team, and the Mariners (largely unloved in Newcastle) & Perth (bleeding red ink) were straightforward choices at the time to axe at the end of 1997 to effectively give the Storm a flying start at assembling a squad.
That's 2/3rds of Super League's own rationalization right there - and the only other club lost from Superleague was the Rams, which with only 2 years under their belt & being in AFL-land, pulling their funding & precipitating their demise was relatively easy compared to making tough calls on more established clubs.
Superleague/News Ltd won the war, and got the NRL to make tough choices that punished ARL-loyal clubs far more than Super League clubs.
Hard to keep on being a quality competition when NSW clubs had a huge financial advantage (pokie machine money) that enabled them to tilt the player market in their favor.if the brl was a decent comp it wouldn’t have needed to have teams from qld added to the nswrl
Nswrl was dominant from 1908Hard to keep on being a quality competition when NSW clubs had a huge financial advantage (pokie machine money) that enabled them to tilt the player market in their favor.
Are you trolling or do you not know anything about history?It’s not what I want
the nrl is a Sydney centric comp
not our fault your comp was so bad we had to create qld teams to join ours lol
if the brl was a decent comp it wouldn’t have needed to have teams from qld added to the nswrl
don’t blame us we are the one pushing expansion
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I’ll repeat for those in the backAre you trolling or do you not know anything about history?
The reason the NSWRL became the national competition was because of gaming machine revenue. NSW was the only jurisdiction in the country that allowed licenced venues to generate revenue from gaming machines between the late 1950s and 1991. Queensland and Victoria didn't legalise gaming machines until 1991. Tasmania, ACT and Northern Territory followed suit in the late 90s.
Most of the Sydney clubs rely heavily on gaming machine revenue to survive in 2024. Some Sydney clubs struggle to generate $10m from football operations, but are able to reel in $50m from punters playing the pokies. Compare that to the Broncos who generate almost $50m from football operations and reel in $10-15m from gaming. Cowboys generate about $24m from football operations and about $15-18m from gaming.
Easts Tigers and Redcliffe Dolphins have probably worked themselves into a stronger position than every Sydney club since they gained access to pokies 30 years ago. It's proof that there wasn't anything special about the NSWRL and its clubs that allowed them to become the nucleus of the "national" competition. They just had the fortune of having access to gaming machine revenue for 30 years while the BRL clubs didn't.
I’ll repeat for those in the back
nswrl dominance from 1908
Pokie machines came in 1960
cmon come up with some better arguments this is bs
Brl clubs were broke
we created the broncos ignoring what the qrl wanted
we added the dolphins to the nrl
rl in qld is strong because of the nswrl lol
1908 to 1960 nswrl dominance without poker machinesSigh.
The NSWRL's dominance between 1909 and 1918 was based on a fair chunk of the NSWRU's best players defecting to the NSWRL.
The QRU's players remained loyal until their competition shut down during WWI.
The interstate series between Queensland and NSW was heavily one-sided in the latter's favour until the former gained access to seasoned players from the QRU. Between 1918 and 1930 there was no rugby union competition in Brisbane. During this period Queensland were successful in the interstate series. At the time, players from Brisbane were just as likely to play in the Ipswich and Toowoomba competitions as they were to play in the NSWRL. Queensland was very decentralised back then.
Queensland experienced another period of success during the 1950s. Then the NSW Gov legalised gaming machines in the late 1950s and Queensland struggled until the BRL produced a golden generation of players in the late 1970s. It led to the advent of State of Origin. The Sydney media and NSWRL laughed at the concept and called it a "non-event". That's right mate, if it was up to the NSWRL and Sydney media then Origin would have never been played and the game wouldn't be as big as it is today. But keep telling yourself that the game is in the position it is in due to the NSWRL.