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Wb1234

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NRL chief Andrew Abdo says the prospect of Sydney’s strongest-selling Kangaroos Test in more than 30 years has reinforced the NRL’s expansion bids to create a shorter season and a permanent calendar window for international rugby league.
A 30,000-strong, sold-out Commbank Stadium is on the cards for Sunday’s Pacific Championships final between Australia and Tonga, given strong ticket sales and an impressive fan turn-out for the island nation in recent years.

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The Kangaroos have rarely played in Sydney (their last Harbour City outing was a 2017 World Cup pool game against Lebanon at Allianz Stadium), partly due to fears of underwhelming crowds for late season internationals.
Not since the 1992 Ashes, when 40,141 fans packed into the old Sydney Football Stadium and only a few hundred tickets went unsold, has a Kangaroos Test sold as well as this weekend’s four-game fixture.
The Pacific Championships’ strong attendances have come despite the fact that numerous players missed the tournament through injury and burnout fears. The NRL and the RLPA are aligned in pursuing a shortened regular season.
Abdo said ongoing expansion talks and a 20-team NRL competition would allow for a shorter season to be taken into the next broadcast negotiations for 2027 and beyond and that greater emphasis could be placed on the international game.
Green and gold crowds: Kangaroos Test attendances in Sydney
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2008 v Fiji
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21,127
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15,855
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34,571
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27,325
27,325
24,953
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30,605
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26,023
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27,568
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40,141
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“We sold five or six thousand tickets [for Sunday’s finals] on Saturday alone and that shows the fans are really keen on this format and the international footy,” Abdo told this masthead.
“There’s Australia against Tonga but we’ve got four games next Sunday and we’ve sold around 20,000 tickets already. We’re expecting to get up into the high 20,000s and if all goes well, we could have a sell-out, which would be fantastic again for the international game.
“If and when expansion is approved by the ARL Commission, quality over quantity is so important when thinking about the season structure.
“Of course, additional teams in the premiership give us extra options when we think about the design of the year and how everything fits together.
Tongan fans dominated the Suncorp Stadium crowd in last month’s Test against Australia.
Tongan fans dominated the Suncorp Stadium crowd in last month’s Test against Australia.CREDIT: GETTY IMAGES
“We play a tough contact sport. So player well-being, rest, recovery, the length of the pre-season and the break, where we play Origin and how much football there is incredibly important.
“It’s front of mind when we do the draw every year and when we think about the next broadcast deal and the opportunity to have a modified season structure.
“But the international season has proven that a short, but meaningful competition drives value and drives interest.”
The NRL’s expansion plans were hobbled last month by a breakdown in talks with the leading Perth consortium behind the Western Bears bid and head office rejecting another seven NRL licence bids from New Zealand, Queensland and Fiji.
NRL bosses Andrew Abdo and Peter V’landys.
NRL bosses Andrew Abdo and Peter V’landys.CREDIT: NICK MOIR
Negotiations continue though with the WA government and bid teams from New Zealand’s South Island, while the introduction of Papua New Guinean franchise has the influential support of the federal government and a $600 million funding pledge.
Abdo’s support for a shorter season and increased focus on the international game follows similar comments from Kangaroos coach Mal Meninga and RLPA boss Clint Newton.
Newton told SEN Radio last week that a 22-game NRL season could strike a fair balance between content for broadcasters and ease the toll on players.
Tonga’s famed ‘sea of red’ in mass fan turn-outs has boosted Test attendances significantly in recent years.
Last month’s Test against Australia drew 33,196 fans at Suncorp Stadium. Another 22,363 turned out in Auckland for Saturday’s latest giant-killing upset of New Zealand.

Pacific Championships finals schedule at Commbank Stadium
11.40am: PNG Orchids v Fetu Samoa - women’s promotion/relegation playoff

1:50pm: Australian Jillaroos v New Zealand Kiwi Ferns - women’s final

4:05pm: Australian Kangaroos v Tonga XIII - men’s final

6:20pm: New Zealand Kiwis v PNG Kumuls - men’s promotion/relegation playoff

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Regular scenes of players crying while singing the national anthem and crowds breaking into a hymn during Tonga’s 25-24 triumph speak to a passion among players and fans of the Pacific nations like Samoa, Fiji and Papua New Guinea that Abdo sees as rugby league’s future.
“That mix of sport and a genuine celebration of culture has been very special to see,” Abdo said.
Talking about expansion in the NRL and NRLW gives an opportunity to grow the game and build up new fans in new regions and markets.
“But there’s also aspirations for growth in New Zealand and the Pacific especially too.
“It’s a credit to everyone coming together and saying ‘let’s really commit to the months of October and November for a consistent game plan for international games over the next couple of years’.”
 

Pippen94

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Yep the NRL would be shooting itself in the foot adding another SEQ team now with the Dolphins still brand new. They need time to build up their support base. Minimum 8 years away before a new team there.

I do think there should be a third Brisbane team. Dolphins should’ve been in the comp 10 years ago. It’s a travesty that Sydney had a second fumbleball team before Brisbane had a second nrl team.

Blame the broncos. Ipswich / Logan won't impact other teams. People here were saying dolphins would eat into broncos support.
 

Wb1234

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Se Qld has population of about 4 million. Perth about 2 million
one state, one club, one fanbase, one population
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So a Perth nrl club gets to claim all of wa but a London super league side only counts a few suburbs near its home ground ?

You are a hoot

So a Perth nrl club gets to claim all of wa but a London super league side only counts a few suburbs near its home ground ?

You are a hoot
 

MugaB

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why woudl you compare population of SEQ with a city? In fact why bother comparing them at all?
Same as you comparing SeQ with the whole state, and I'm not the one comparing, you guys are!
.... I just pointed out what was actually said
 
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South Island Kea boss David Moffett has called for an urgent meeting with NRL chief executive Andrew Abdo after revealing that their consortium included a $20 million licence fee in their expansion proposal and initially targeted Michael Maguire to be their head coach.
The Kea were one of three bids from the South Island – and eight in total – that were recently knocked back by the NRL because they were deemed below expectation by head office.
The NRL hasn’t closed the door on New Zealand but for the time being they are focused on striking a deal with the West Australian government to introduce a team in Perth, potentially in 2027.
Papua New Guinea is already locked in as part of the expansion process after the NRL struck a $600 million partnership with the federal government, with an announcement expected to be imminent.
Ideally, the NRL would introduce Perth and PNG before adding a 20th team on the South Island of New Zealand in the lead-up to the 2032 Olympics in Brisbane.
However, the process appears to have stalled after ARL Commission chair Peter V’landys indicated all the bid teams had work to do. Moffett wants to meet Abdo in an attempt to discover exactly what the ARL Commission want from the bid parties.
“We believe we know what is required of the of the NRL and so we’re working on that,” Moffett said.
“But what we really need is we need to meet with Andrew Abdo and talk through with Andrew just exactly what they’re looking for.
“To date, we’ve never been given an opportunity to do that. So in order for us to be able to actually put in a meaningful bid that the NRL will find attractive, we need an opportunity to sit down with Andrew and say, look, is this going to fly?
“If it’s not, then we’ll at least know that we’re not going to be able to reach the thresholds that they’re looking for.”
Moffett insists that the Kea bid will have unrivalled finances and facilities – a new stadium with a roof is due to open in Christchurch at the start of 2026.
In a sign of their financial muscle, Moffett confirmed that they had included a licence fee as part of their bid.
“We have the money,” Moffett said.
“We did find $20 million for a licence fee. We are still committed to providing financial certainty by way of institutional and stakeholder support.
“Now, what we’re also doing is we’re looking at various options whereby we can satisfy the NRL’s requirement on club member ownership. “But in order for us to be able to finalise that and give them comfort, we need to know what the target is.
“And at the moment, we’re not quite sure what (that is).”
Crucially, a team on the south island would give the NRL an instant rivalry given the presence of the Warriors in Auckland. The enmity between the south and islands is tangible.
“The rivalry between us and Auckland or between the South Island is legendary in this part of the world,” Moffett said.
“So if we have the Kea here playing the Warriors, if I had a license and I knew that our first game against the Warriors was going to be the opening game of the 2027 season, then I could put those tickets on sale now and I would I get 60,000 people lining up to buy tickets for a 30,000 seat stadium for that game. And that’s ongoing.”
 

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