18th team still possible this tv deal

[Colk]

AFL doesnt average 70k why do you expect RL to average higher?

Live TV erroded game day attendances

Didnt you notice the return of 40-50k crowds once scheduling was improved at ANZ?

Someone has to be a bottom 4 team, those clubs always have a drop in attendances. You are seeing that with the Broncos in Brisbane. Soon as a team is out of the running crowds drop

The covid effect on attendances will be felt for years to come

I think GROTD was addressing your point that stadium quality and capacity was a significant reason that AFL have greater crowds than the NRL, so for example Docklands has a capacity of 50k, thus AFL teams get crowds close to that figure. They also get crowds of 80k at some of their games.

I think your argument is incredibly simplistic. Yes scheduling has been a problem and yes Melbourne is much easier to get around, so those factors play into it but crowds are very poor in Sydney. I think we are downplaying significantly the cultural factors, league supporters don’t turn up to games and AFL supporters do.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Yes but in the reverse the variations in Sydney will be greater

Except they're not and you're just making it up as you go along. An article was posted on here in 2020 which showed that the drop off in the national ratings when the Broncos don't play is far greater than when Sydney teams don't play.

Why do you think Ch9 have so many Broncos games on a Friday night?

Here's another article confirming how important the Broncos are to the broadcasters.

No Cookies | The Courier Mail

No Cookies

www.couriermail.com.au

I'll see if I can find the other one.

 

[Perth Red]

I think GROTD was addressing your point that stadium quality and capacity was a significant reason that AFL have greater crowds than the NRL, so for example Docklands has a capacity of 50k, thus AFL teams get crowds close to that figure. They also get crowds of 80k at some of their games.

I think your argument is incredibly simplistic. Yes scheduling has been a problem and yes Melbourne is much easier to get around, so those factors play into it but crowds are very poor in Sydney. I think we are downplaying significantly the cultural factors, league supporters don’t turn up to games and AFL supporters do.

It’s not just a Sydney v melbourne thing though is it? In afls two other cities the 4 clubs avg massive crowds compared to nrl cities like Newcastle, brisbane or Auckland. And the afls expansion clubs avg much greater than the nrls sole expansion club, The hard to swallow fact is that RL has failed to grow its supporter base in the last 25 years in the same way the afl has done, seemingly happy to be a big fish in its two ponds.

 

[The Great Dane]

It’s not just a Sydney v melbourne thing though is it? In afls two other cities the 4 clubs avg massive crowds compared to nrl cities like Newcastle, brisbane or Auckland. And the afls expansion clubs avg much greater than the nrls sole expansion club, The hard to swallow fact is that RL has failed to grow its supporter base in the last 25 years in the same way the afl has done, seemingly happy to be a big fish in its two ponds.

RL would had to have seriously tried to grow it's supporter base in the last 20 years for it to have failed... I mean can you really fail if you don't try!?

The way the NRL and clubs are set up financially there's almost no commercial pressure or incentive for the vast majority of clubs to invest in growing their fanbase, or consumer base if we are being more accurate.
I mean why would a club waste time and resources on getting more people through the gate, buying merch, etc, etc, if they can rely on their leagues club and/or TV grant to sustain them? It'd just be creating extra work for themselves and distracting from what they think really matters; winning premierships.

 

[mongoose]

It’s not just a Sydney v melbourne thing though is it? In afls two other cities the 4 clubs avg massive crowds compared to nrl cities like Newcastle, brisbane or Auckland. And the afls expansion clubs avg much greater than the nrls sole expansion club, The hard to swallow fact is that RL has failed to grow its supporter base in the last 25 years in the same way the afl has done, seemingly happy to be a big fish in its two ponds.

Bit harsh on Newcastle, they get very good averages in a mid sized city. Their ground only holds 30k.

 

[siv]

Except they're not and you're just making it up as you go along. An article was posted on here in 2020 which showed that the drop off in the national ratings when the Broncos don't play is far greater than when Sydney teams don't play.

Why do you think Ch9 have so many Broncos games on a Friday night?

Here's another article confirming how important the Broncos are to the broadcasters.

No Cookies | The Courier Mail

No Cookies

www.couriermail.com.au

I'll see if I can find the other one.

Its not hard to understand even for you

Ch9 only gave 3 x 25 games to broadcast. Ie 75 games

Penrith & Wests-Tigers dominate the Sunday timeslot

While Easts, Parra and Souths are the Sydney draw cards usually on Friday draw cards

While I agree Friday night Brincos has been a big feature, with them being in the Bottom 4 has seem them drop and Ch9 is looking for alternatives

So who drops out of the existing 50 ThNF FNF games?

It wont be the big Sydney games once the honeymoon period is over

It will be interesting to see where they schedule Redcliffe v Nth Qld and Redcliffe v Titans games

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Its not hard to understand even for you

Ch9 only gave 3 x 25 games to broadcast. Ie 75 games

Penrith & Wests-Tigers dominate the Sunday timeslot

While Easts, Parra and Souths are the Sydney draw cards usually on Friday draw cards

While I agree Friday night Brincos has been a big feature, with them being in the Bottom 4 has seem them drop and Ch9 is looking for alternatives

So who drops out of the existing 50 ThNF FNF games?

It wont be the big Sydney games once the honeymoon period is over

It will be interesting to see where they schedule Redcliffe v Nth Qld and Redcliffe v Titans games

Do you have a source to back up your claim?

I've not seen any evidence that Sydney vs Sydney games draw a higher rating, nationally, than a Queensland vs Sydney game.

This is just your opinion and bias shining through.

Here's a summary of the viewing trends from 2019:

The top five highest rating games featured the Broncos. All of them. The most watched game was between Brisbane and Melbourne. The second most watched game was between Brisbane and North Queensland. Face it, Sydney vs Sydney games just don't rate well nationally, making them worthless to the broadcasters. You'd have to be backwards and delusional to think Ch9 would prefer to run Syd vs Syd into Brisbane over a game featuring the Broncos.

"The highest rating game of the season was in round 1 between Melbourne and Brisbane, which rated 1.183 million. Filling out the top 5 was Brisbane v Nth Queensland (R2), Brisbane v St George (R3), South Sydney v Brisbane (R8) and Brisbane v Parramatta (R24)"

2019 NRL season by the TV ratings numbers - Sports Industry AU

Its been another big year for Rugby League in 2019 as 113.5 million people tuned in to see the preseason, home and away season, NRLW, Origin, Representative footy and finals. However, while this figure was enough to get it over the AFL again in 2019, it was down more than 6% on the...

www.footyindustry.com

2020 was no different, despite the Broncos getting the spoon.

"To no ones surprise, the Broncos were the most watched NRL team in the 2020 H&A season. The Storm however were the most watched NRL team on Foxtels set top boxes.In fact, the Melbourne Storm had the best Foxtel viewing average of both the NRL and AFL. NRL sides with the 9 best average results, Collingwood with the top AFL average in at #10. "

2020 NRL TV Ratings - Sports Industry AU

The 2020 NRL season totaled 70.2 million viewers across the Nine Network and Foxleague, up 0.35% on the first 20 rounds of 2019, but down 20.4% on the 2019 total. More matches were played compared to the first 20 rounds of last year, leading to an average of 439,000, down 4.6% on the first 20...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[siv]

Do you have a source to back up your claim?

I've not seen any evidence that Sydney vs Sydney games draw a higher rating, nationally, than a Queensland vs Sydney game.

This is just your opinion and bias shining through.

Here's a summary of the viewing trends from 2019:

The top five highest rating games featured the Broncos. All of them. The most watched game was between Brisbane and Melbourne. The second most watched game was between Brisbane and North Queensland. Face it, Sydney vs Sydney games just don't rate well nationally, making them worthless to the broadcasters. You'd have to be backwards and delusional to think Ch9 would prefer to run Syd vs Syd into Brisbane over a game featuring the Broncos.

"The highest rating game of the season was in round 1 between Melbourne and Brisbane, which rated 1.183 million. Filling out the top 5 was Brisbane v Nth Queensland (R2), Brisbane v St George (R3), South Sydney v Brisbane (R8) and Brisbane v Parramatta (R24)"

2019 NRL season by the TV ratings numbers - Sports Industry AU

Its been another big year for Rugby League in 2019 as 113.5 million people tuned in to see the preseason, home and away season, NRLW, Origin, Representative footy and finals. However, while this figure was enough to get it over the AFL again in 2019, it was down more than 6% on the...

www.footyindustry.com

2020 was no different, despite the Broncos getting the spoon.

"To no ones surprise, the Broncos were the most watched NRL team in the 2020 H&A season. The Storm however were the most watched NRL team on Foxtels set top boxes.In fact, the Melbourne Storm had the best Foxtel viewing average of both the NRL and AFL. NRL sides with the 9 best average results, Collingwood with the top AFL average in at #10. "

2020 NRL TV Ratings - Sports Industry AU

The 2020 NRL season totaled 70.2 million viewers across the Nine Network and Foxleague, up 0.35% on the first 20 rounds of 2019, but down 20.4% on the 2019 total. More matches were played compared to the first 20 rounds of last year, leading to an average of 439,000, down 4.6% on the first 20...

www.footyindustry.com

Foxtel figures mean nothing as anyone who pays for Foxtel watches almost all games

There are minimal differences between highest and lowest viewing figures

Cant comment about News Ltd paywalled articles they pump up News Ltd assets

Though you do confused ratings with Sydney laughing at the Broncos as they claimed the wooden spoon

 

[Colk]

Foxtel figures mean nothing as anyone who pays for Foxtel watches almost all games

There are minimal differences between highest and lowest viewing figures

Cant comment about News Ltd paywalled articles they pump up News Ltd assets

Though you do confused ratings with Sydney laughing at the Broncos as they claimed the wooden spoon

But that doesn’t mean that GROTD wasn’t right. Whether people from Sydney watched the Broncos to see them lose is beside the point: more people watched games involving the Broncos than those involving just Sydney teams. Sydney is not the only market that exists

 

[Idris 84]

Actually seeing that a kiwi team is basically getting a brand new stadium for free, that seals it for mine. The NRL typically go for the cheapest option, this will get them over the line ahead of Perth.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

But that doesn’t mean that GROTD wasn’t right. Whether people from Sydney watched the Broncos to see them lose is beside the point: more people watched games involving the Broncos than those involving just Sydney teams. Sydney is not the only market that exists

I don't think there's any way of getting through to siv. He doesn't care about facts and figures or logic. It's all about preserving the illusion that the world begins and ends in Sydney. The sad thing is the people who've run our game over the last 70 years have held this view, to the detriment of the sport.

It's laughable how siv writes off the Broncos' ratings in 2020 as Sydnehsiders only watching for the lulz because they finished last, while ignoring the fact they were the most watched team when they made the finals the previous season. There's just no rationale behind his posts.

 

[siv]

I don't think there's any way of getting through to siv. He doesn't care about facts and figures or logic. It's all about preserving the illusion that the world begins and ends in Sydney. The sad thing is the people who've run our game over the last 70 years have held this view, to the detriment of the sport.

It's laughable how siv writes off the Broncos' ratings in 2020 as Sydnehsiders only watching for the lulz because they finished last, while ignoring the fact they were the most watched team when they made the finals the previous season. There's just no rationale behind his posts.

You seem to think that only Brisbane TV sets watch RL

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

You seem to think that only Brisbane TV sets watch RL

I think that Brisbane is underserved and Sydney is over served. The ratings and attendances back me up.

You think the Central Coast Bears will be more valuable to the broadcasters than Brisbane 3!

It's stupid to think a tenth Sydney club will rate better around the country than a third team in Brisbane.

What makes you think a tenth Sydney team will do any better than the current nine that aren't very popular?

Only three or four Sydney clubs can draw a good rating like the Broncos, Storm and Cowboys.

 

[Colk]

I think that Brisbane is underserved and Sydney is over served. The ratings and attendances back me up.

You think the Central Coast Bears will be more valuable to the broadcasters than Brisbane 3!

It's stupid to think a tenth Sydney club will rate better around the country than a third team in Brisbane.

What makes you think a tenth Sydney team will do any better than the current nine that aren't very popular?

Only three or four Sydney clubs can draw a good rating like the Broncos, Storm and Cowboys.

Even if it’s debatable that a third Brisbane side is needed, at least for team 18, it would be worth so much more than an extra NSW team it’s incredible that people are still advocating for CC

It would literally be about the 6th or 7th choice (you would pick any NZ option, you would pick Perth, you would pick Adelaide, pick another one or two Brisbane teams and a Pacific Island before you would pick another NSW side)

It essentially has no upside, other than perhaps the stadium and even the stadium is not big enough to be used as a full time NRL stadium.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Even if it’s debatable that a third Brisbane side is needed, at least for team 18, it would be worth so much more than an extra NSW team it’s incredible that people are still advocating for CC

It would literally be about the 6th or 7th choice (you would pick any NZ option, you would pick Perth, you would pick Adelaide, pick another one or two Brisbane teams and a Pacific Island before you would pick another NSW side)

It essentially has no upside, other than perhaps the stadium and even the stadium is not big enough to be used as a full time NRL stadium.

I cannot see a team in Gosford being a possible choice unless it is a relocated Sydney club like Manly, but even then I would prefer they relocate to Adelaide, NZ or Perth. NSW isn't big enough to support 10 teams.

 

[marshall stalin]

How many 300k can you fit into 5 million?
Thats the equation to solve how many sydney clubs can exist in the market....
Remember out of the 300k, there are foreigners how don't want to follow the sport dilute that number... and its more evident in sydneys 5mil
Hell the roosters exist without juniors, crowds, a backbone and basically live out of politis's wallet

The saturation of Sydney is a myth, its all about comparisons to the likes of bronx

Chooks have assets though and do not live out of Uncle Nicks Wallet at all.

No juniors or Crowds is a myth perpetrated by folk who are jealous of the Chooks success and the boards business acumen - plenty of Juniors on the Central Coast under the Roosters Pathways (Central Coast Roosters) and Crowds when the new ground is opened.

No fault of the Chooks that those next door stole their junior areas in the 1930's and 1950's and that the Roosters junior areas covers suburbs such as Double Bay/Vaucluse/Elizabeth Bay/Watson Bay/Point Piper/Rushcutters Bay/Dover Heights/Rose Bay/Darling Point/Edgecliff/ Kings Cross/Potts Point

Sydney Roosters Juniors - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Roosters chairman Nick Politis preparing $500m parting gift for his club​

Roosters chairman Nick Politis preparing $500m parting gift for his club

Politis understands he can’t run the club forever and is preparing to deliver a property portfolio worth $500 million before he finishes.

www.smh.com.au

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

Actually seeing that a kiwi team is basically getting a brand new stadium for free, that seals it for mine. The NRL typically go for the cheapest option, this will get them over the line ahead of Perth.

Not to mention the more easier accessible player pool.

 

[Perth Red]

How many players have come out of the Canterbury system in last 5 years? Not the kid who was born there and moved to Oz at 12 but actually signed by an nrl club at 18? Genuinely interested to know as this seems to be the main reason people think putting a team in a rugby union mad city of less than 400k is a good idea. Like I said before there are more amateur RL clubs in WA than the Christchurch region.

 

[cumbrian Mackem]

How many players have come out of the Canterbury system in last 5 years? Not the kid who was born there and moved to Oz at 12 but actually signed by an nrl club at 18? Genuinely interested to know as this seems to be the main reason people think putting a team in a rugby union mad city of less than 400k is a good idea. Like I said before there are more amateur RL clubs in WA than the Christchurch region.

Another professional RL club in NZ could potentially attract the top Union schoolboy talent as well as RL talent from the south or even north island.

 

[Colk]

You seem to think that only Brisbane TV sets watch RL

You seem to think that only Sydney TV sets do