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1st ASHES TEST: @ Edgbaston, Birmingham June 16-20, 2023

AlwaysGreen

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lol Moeen.

Australia just has to keep its cool with bat and ball.

With the ball we've got an excellent attack, don't panic if these guys start slogging and don't set overly defensive fields. I fear for Lyon more than the pacemen because he doesn't have much variation if they go after him.

With the bat, play our own game, there's no need to keep up with the poms if they're going to bazball.
David Warner - I am looking at you.
 

TheParraboy

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that's a bit of an overreach,

if you're a fan then fair enough, but that's just an exaggeration to suit your defense of him


Nothing to do with my own defense, Google some stats, you will be surprised, it ain't a small percentage, anywhere you look

Anyhow.... not the right thread to discuss this further...the ashes are on
 

TheParraboy

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lol Moeen.

Australia just has to keep its cool with bat and ball.

With the ball we've got an excellent attack, don't panic if these guys start slogging and don't set overly defensive fields. I fear for Lyon more than the pacemen because he doesn't have much variation if they go after him.

With the bat, play our own game, there's no need to keep up with the poms if they're going to bazball.
David Warner - I am looking at you.


What Ive noticed with Bazball (againt crap attacks), they go for any loose shit. They aint too determined to build an innings or let wide stuff go a lot of the time. So keeping it tight is key, Lot of their top order don't have the mentality to S/R AT 45.00 to get through an hour of tight bowling
 

King-Gutho94

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Woudnt call him a shit human, I can think of many others who deserve that tag

From all reports was a brilliant father whose kids adore him, and more than generous to all who knew him, celebs and punters alike. Was loved by anyone who he spent time with.

He cheated on his wife many times, but so have probably half the blokes that are married.

The agenda he had in the commentary was disappointing (and pathetic at times) but many commentators are like that these days, just need to look at ch9 or fox league.

Though, like many, we didnt like half his shit in the box, we would gladly have him over most of the fruitcakes on ch7 doing the cricket

RIP SW
You nailed it mate.

Something is lost is he did do a lot for charity as well. Not the only rich bloke to do it but he did give back.

But yes his agenda's in commentary were the frustrating part about him.

If he had a set against someone he would never let go. And if he liked you as a player or one of his favs he would wax lyrical all the time.
 

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What Ive noticed with Bazball (againt crap attacks), they go for any loose shit. They aint too determined to build an innings or let wide stuff go a lot of the time. So keeping it tight is key, Lot of their top order don't have the mentality to S/R AT 45.00 to get through an hour of tight bowling

Amazing how simple cricket is sometimes tbh.

Keep dotting a bloke up and probably 7 times out of 10 he gets himself out eventually. I'd lift that to 9/10 for BazBall.
 

TheParraboy

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He is a decent Bat on his day - but yes with the ball he won't be a threat.

His last FC game was also his last test two years ago

Pretty much a white ball cowboy these days (more so t20 by the looks), so selection is in the theme of what the poms look likely to do eg Bazball
 

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What Ive noticed with Bazball (againt crap attacks), they go for any loose shit. They aint too determined to build an innings or let wide stuff go a lot of the time. So keeping it tight is key, Lot of their top order don't have the mentality to S/R AT 45.00 to get through an hour of tight bowling

Sometimes easier said than done. Limited overs cricket has shown that batters can score quickly even against good bowling, and that you can put pressure back on the bowling by playing aggressively. Yes, the dukes ball will do a bit, but England will try and negate that with flat wickets.

It won't be as easy as just dotting them up. They are going to get away from us on occasion, even if the bowling is good.

The key will be our batting. If we can get totals up over 350, then it will be harder for them to play so freely. If we get knocked over for under 200, they will swing for the fences and try and win it in a session or two.
 

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Sometimes easier said than done. Limited overs cricket has shown that batters can score quickly even against good bowling, and that you can put pressure back on the bowling by playing aggressively. Yes, the dukes ball will do a bit, but England will try and negate that with flat wickets.

It won't be as easy as just dotting them up. They are going to get away from us on occasion, even if the bowling is good.

The key will be our batting. If we can get totals up over 350, then it will be harder for them to play so freely. If we get knocked over for under 200, they will swing for the fences and try and win it in a session or two.


Sure but the key is persistence. If they hit a good ball, fair play, bowl it again. Too often it takes a few boundaries and suddenly we go away from the plan and just defend aimlessly
 

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What Ive noticed with Bazball (againt crap attacks), they go for any loose shit. They aint too determined to build an innings or let wide stuff go a lot of the time. So keeping it tight is key, Lot of their top order don't have the mentality to S/R AT 45.00 to get through an hour of tight bowling
A captain with a cool head will help. Just stick to a plan even if eng get a couple of highlight reel overs.

I can see Boland killing a partnership and getting the crowd to pipe down a bit.
 

Bazal

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A captain with a cool head will help. Just stick to a plan even if eng get a couple of highlight reel overs.

I can see Boland killing a partnership and getting the crowd to pipe down a bit.

Exactly right. Persistence and calmness from the captain goes a long way. You don't always need mind bending tactics if you have a good plan and you stick to it.

I also don't think we understand how to defend in an attacking way...
 

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^^^

Ashes first Test pitch appears to give England exactly what they want​

England appear to have laid their cards on the table already as the world gets its first look at the pitch for the opening Ashes Test.

Andrew McMurtry
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Cricket: The World Test Championship winners now boast the top 3 batters on the ICC rankings. Steve Smith holds number one, then Marnus Labuschagne, then Travis Head


England appear to have got exactly what they asked for as the Ashes prepares to kick off on Friday night Australian time.
The world got its first look at the pitch ahead of the first Test of the highly anticipated series with the pitch appearing to be a batters paradise — just like England wanted.

In April, English skipper Ben Stokes called for “flat, fast” wickets so the team may continue its “Bazball” approach which has been so successful.
After its horror 4-0 loss in Australia, England moved on from former coach Chris Silverwood and hired New Zealand legend Brendan McCullum, who has turned the side around.
Before McCullum’s appointment, England had won one of their previous 17 tests, and have won 11 of 13 Tests using the tactic.
Last year, England set the highest average run-rate in Test cricket history, scoring at 4.13 across their 15 Tests in 2022.
And after three Tests in 2023, including two against New Zealand and one against Ireland, England have scored at an average of over six runs per over across 316.1 overs of batting.
The curators were told to produce pitches conducive to the English batters and Stokes said the groundsmen were all in.

“We’ve been very clear, especially with the ground staff around England, about what type of wickets we want,” Stokes told Sky Sports in April.
”And they’ve been very responsive to us which has been good.
“We want fast, flat wickets. We want to go out there and score quickly. It brings their (Australia‘s) guys in: if they’ve got fast wickets to bowl on then they’ll be happy with that as well.”

England have pledged to continue playing Bazball. Photo by Alex Davidson/Getty Images
However, Edgbaston ground staff claimed they had not received any direct requests from England and have prepared the pitch as normal.
Senior correspondent of The Cricketer magazine George Dobell shared a picture of the pitch and fans were quick to claim it looked like batting first would be a huge advantage as wickets should be at a premium.
Some even claimed that it would be a spinning wicket with the pitch appearing to be very dry from the image of the pitch.
But Dobell said he believed there was 13mm of grass as he shared a first look at the pitch, although there was still nearly three days before the toss.


And England are bristling with confidence, announcing its team two days out rather than waiting for the morning of the Test, with the nation’s fastest bowler Mark Wood left out of the side in favour of Stuart Broad, Jimmy Anderson and Ollie Robinson.
 
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wel, not exactly

Don't believe everything you read mate, it's just click bait news. He was a legend on & off the field from all accounts. Painful in Commentary at times though haha.
Wrong thread to bag him dude.
 
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