1st Test: South Africa v Australia at Centurion Feb 12-16, 2014

[hineyrulz]

You need to give them a faint sniff of being able to score a win. Otherwise they will just stone wall for two days. If you give them an excuse to be a little positive, you maximize your chances of some early wickets.

:lol: This is Seff Efrica we are talking about, no way will they attempt to chase this total. They wouldn't chase 18 with 3 wickets in hand in a good batting wicket.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

I didn't quite get the Doolan love but geez I sat up willing him to his ton and was gutted when he got himself out. Bravo!!!

 

[TheParraboy]

he's played 2 tests in Aust, hardly a big sample...

overall his record against you is solid... but sweet, base your conclusions on a small sample... overall his record is better than it will end, but he won't suddenly be averaging 35 over his career

If you wanna play it that way,

he has also played 2 tests vs SL ave 12.62 (14 wickets), 3 tests vs NZ ave 15.47 (19 wickets)

hardly big examples either

Lets see where he is after 50 tests eh?

 

[TheParraboy]

:lol: This is Seff Efrica we are talking about, no way will they attempt to chase this total. They wouldn't chase 18 with 3 wickets in hand in a good batting wicket.

agree,

Even if we declare overnight and give them a sniff of getting a win, their mindset is a draw. Like I said before problem there is , even playing for a draw the run rate can still tick slowly over around 3 an over (due to fast outfield and primarily attacking field).

Bahh humbug who are we kidding, Notch will get another 7, SA all out for 120 in their 2nd dig in 80 overs

 

[JJ]

If you wanna play it that way,

he has also played 2 tests vs SL ave 12.62 (14 wickets), 3 tests vs NZ ave 15.47 (19 wickets)

hardly big examples either

Lets see where he is after 50 tests eh?

it's just maths - he's played 20 tests, and averages under 20 - that is an excellent start... you don't do that by accident.

Someone asked how he averages 18, it's simple really, you divide the number of runs he's conceded by the number of wickets he's taken... :roll:


He averages under 26 against Aust too, under 24 against England and under 23 against India - so he's been reasonably consistent...

But if you all want to believe he's Adam Dale, that's cool

 

[Timbo]

Yeah people knocking Philander, he's a ridiculously good bowler. Just because we're hammering him here, I expect him to bounce back.

This isn't England, they will fight back hard. And this test isn't over, if there's one side that can block out 150 overs it's the Proteas.

 

[Red Bear]

Geeze this habit that Warner seems to have picked up of converting in the second innings makes him a handy cricketer to have in your team. To have him coming out blasting hundreds when the game is in the balance and conditions are supposed to be tricky, is a real plus for Australia.

Perfect player to have when you get a bit of a first innings lead, as we did in the first three tests against England and here in South Africa. takes that game from good position to unloseable very quickly

They are a quality lineup, but people also need to consider they've just lost Kallis, which is huge, and it already looks like Johnson is in some heads...

de Villers, with Sangakarra is the best there is atm, and Amla not far behind... you'd imagine they've learned a bit from the first innings, but at the moment Johnson is just hard to handle, and the rest are doing a great job, so the Jaapies will have to work hard to avoid defeat here... if they do though, it will be huge for them

I don't think South Africa's been a particularly balanced lineup since Boucher retired, but they get away with it with such a strong bowling group. Strong 4/5 batsmen up the top but then 6, 7 have consistently been some guy averaging in the 30's who can bowl a bit but not particularly well.

Honestly think they'd be better if they can find someone who can keep and average 30-35 at 7, let AB bat at four where he should be, Faf at 5 and then worry about the all rounder rather than Duminy/Mclaren nuf nufs.

Amla's form has been down in their home summer as well which hurts.

 

[TheParraboy]

Philander hasn't played in india nor SL yett, and averages 49.65 in Australia (heading for that average at home well). That aside...

Does well vs SL, Pakistan, NZ and the poms, so overall he is an impressive bowler. You don't average 18 being a nuffy playing over 20 tests. Though like Brett Lee who had a similar average after 10-12 tests, you can easily blow out the average the more tests you play, sides figure you out better

he's played 2 tests in Aust, hardly a big sample...

overall his record against you is solid... but sweet, base your conclusions on a small sample... overall his record is better than it will end, but he won't suddenly be averaging 35 over his career

it's just maths - he's played 20 tests, and averages under 20 - that is an excellent start... you don't do that by accident.

Someone asked how he averages 18, it's simple really, you divide the number of runs he's conceded by the number of wickets he's taken... :roll:


He averages under 26 against Aust too, under 24 against England and under 23 against India - so he's been reasonably consistent...

But if you all want to believe he's Adam Dale, that's cool

wtf, you blind?

Ive already acknowledged he is a decent bowler (see red), just merely pointed out he hasn't played on the subcontinent SL and India and done poorly in Australia (and he even avoided adelaide). sheesh talk about aussie hate

 

[Pete Cash]

Philander is just too slow for Australian wickets and he would have been absolutely butchered if he hadn't been "injured" at the Adelaide oval. That said when conditions suit he's a tricky customer.

 

[Twizzle]

it is odd seeing someone with an average of 18 who bowls at his pace

 

[TheParraboy]

it is odd seeing someone with an average of 18 who bowls at his pace

Says a lot about putting the ball in the right place all the time, he probably has done it better than anyone else with his pace (McGrath comes to mind) . A bit of variation here and there and he isn't the easiest bloke to play

 

[Red Bear]

Mohammed Asif bowled 130km/h max and had ove 100 wickets at about 25.

Pace is handy, there's ways to be a successful bowler without extreme pace though.

On that note, Morkel just lacks something. He's capable of some frightening spells, and often difficult to play, but he just isn't always that threatening. Reminds me a bit of Harmisson tbh, doesn't quite seem to have the killer instinct

 

[Tommy Smith]

Mitchell Johnson btw - aside from Glenn McGrath I've never seen a fast bowler this good atm. Bearing in mind I never saw much of Ambrose, Donald and Wasim at their peak.

He's just awesome atm and it's great to watch.

 

[Tommy Smith]

But if you all want to believe he's Adam Dale, that's cool

:lol:

Great reference from the past. I lol'd.

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Good knock by Doolan, shame he missed his ton.
What's the target going to be 500?

 

[El Diablo]

Philander wouldn't make the Aus team

a Wazn

 

[Buzzard Breath]

Bearing in mind I never saw much of Ambrose, Donald and Wasim at their peak.

I have. Ambrose was a pleasure to watch. His 7/1 against Australia in 93 was probably the best bowling I have ever seen.

 

[Eelementary]

It'll be interesting to see how South Africa handles the chase. Will they try to win, or go for a draw? I think they'll try to force a draw.

 

[herbert henry1908]

You put them in for another 80 mins tonight to demoralise them. Its not really about the runs.

 

[Eelementary]

You put them in for another 80 mins tonight to demoralise them. Its not really about the runs.

I meant overall - all good and well to get a target of 550+ to win with two and a bit days' play left, but the Saffas have to want to try to win. Otherwise they will go for a draw, and getting a win, from our perspective, is that much harder.

I just don't think they will push for a win - they will bat out the Test with conservative, defensive batting, and it means we will really have to be on top of our game to bowl them out and push for a win.