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1st Test: South Africa v England at Durban on Dec 26-30, 2015

JJ

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Poms 313 ahead with 5 wickets left, pretty decent performance from them
 

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/content/story/955937.html

This article suggests AB is considering retiring from some forms of the game - seems to hint it could be test cricket.

It also says Steyn and Philander might call it quits after the England series.

Cannot blame these superstar players. There is no chance to stop the rot until international salaries comfortably exceed professional domestic salaries.

With more international cricket being played, and far more money for countries outside the big 3 to be made in professional cricket leagues, this will continue to the poorer nations like SA, NZ, WI, etc. Pakistan got lucky in a way that the IPL banned Pakistani players, notwithstanding the NatWest Blast, CLT20, BPL and the small quota BBL.

Have to respect ABDV honesty - he is not prepared to give up playing all IPL matches.
 
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Poms 313 ahead with 5 wickets left, pretty decent performance from them

A lot easier with no Steyn.

I'm keen on seeing this SA spinner. According to Cricinfo, he has all the toys (doosra, carrom etc).
 

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JP Duminy will be batting to save his test career.

I think he has been batting better than Faf Du Plessis has over the last 2 years.

Its getting pretty dire in the SA middle order.
 

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Not sure du Plessis was ever that good tbh, couple of memorable innings which cloud judgement, Duminy looks like he should be good, a better version of S Marsh?

Amla's form has dropped, losing Kallis and Smith was immense, you don't replace that easily - with Steyn and Philander continually struggling too (injury wise) they might be coming to the end of the run - essentially everyone except the Windies is pretty even - home advantage big, except when RSA and Australia meet
 

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Not sure du Plessis was ever that good tbh, couple of memorable innings which cloud judgement,

He started with those "heroic" innings in Australia, and been cashing in on that reputation ever since. Problem is, his debut 78 and 110 came when Pattinson went down injured after just 9 overs in the first innings well before Faf batted, leaving Siddle and Hilfenhaus as the attack with a relatively new Lyon on an Adelaide road. No Watto in the team, Hussey batting at 6.

He then got 78 in the next match against a new Starc, Hastings (remember him?) and a recalled Johnson who weren't able to stop a 569 run second innings by SA where Faf scored 27.

Terribly overrated player.
 
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Not sure du Plessis was ever that good tbh, couple of memorable innings which cloud judgement, Duminy looks like he should be good, a better version of S Marsh?

Amla's form has dropped, losing Kallis and Smith was immense, you don't replace that easily - with Steyn and Philander continually struggling too (injury wise) they might be coming to the end of the run - essentially everyone except the Windies is pretty even - home advantage big, except when RSA and Australia meet

There are some very worying signs for south african cricket tbh. Its not just that they are heading towards the pack but finacially i was reading in the smh they may have problems.
 

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I think the Saffas are done, got smashed in India without a whimper and are now getting owned by a good bit not great Pommy team. Amla and AB have carried the batting for a couple of seasons without the great Kallis and the very very good Smith. They were due a dip in form and the side is starting to look pretty average. Steyn is struggling with injuries and Plodlander was always severely overrated.

Exciting time for test cricket ATM.
 

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I reckon that not winning this years World Cup would have deflated them severely and may well have long lasting effects. No doubt they saw it as their time to win it - tough to bounce back from that when you are on the wrong side of 30.
 

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I reckon that not winning this years World Cup would have deflated them severely and may well have long lasting effects. No doubt they saw it as their time to win it - tough to bounce back from that when you are on the wrong side of 30.

Hmm. The batting line up post Smith and Kallis is fragile and couldn't afford Amla to lose form like he has. When Amla and AB both were scoring runs the problems were less apparent. But now it is clear to all that Faf hasn't lived up close to his reputation and Duminy has had a bad year again - which is not uncommon for him. And the rest are a merry go round of Elgar, and whoever. Tey're doing better than SL post Jayawardene and Sangakarra.

Notwithstanding Morkel, not too many sides would survive the loss of Philander and Steyn out injured. Thats a big blow to any team - bar maybe Australia a year or two ago when they still had Rhyno, Johnson, Starc, Pattinson and Hazelwood.

Picture England without both Borad and Anderson?

NZ without both Boult and Southee? Well Boult been absent since England 2015.

Pakistan with Amir and Asif? Well no Riaz either so playing Rahat Ali and Mo Talha and no Yasir Shah or Saeed Ajmal because SA typically don't do spinners.

WI might improve without Roach and Taylor.

With allrespect, SL and India have some excellent, if not brilliant spinners, but do not have seamers of Steyn and Philander quality remotely close to compare. Chameera needs more games to establish that his last was not a fluke.
 
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Plodlander was always severely overrated.

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Pretty much rubbish - he's a very good bowler, and when conditions suit excellent...

You Austrayans are so funny - you see someone once or twice and that's enough - took you years to realise Ishant is rubbish, you still think Dwayne Bravo is brilliant, and until this series you argued Williamson wasn't much good...

Yet you ignore mediocre overseas records from some of your 'stars' - too funny

Someone asked the other day who were better away from home, Australia or England, I'm guessing it wasn't rhetorical, so to be clear the answer is England
 

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We haven't lost a test series in the RSA since they were brought back in. What are you talking about Jidge.
 

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We haven't lost a test series in the RSA since they were brought back in. What are you talking about Jidge.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/514029.html

Maybe not, but the reason Aus was rolled for 47 is not rubbish.

He can bowl very well with any lively pitch or ball with a pronounced seam. But Australia like both their balls and their pitches flat.

In South Africa his record v Australia is impressive.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/46945.html?class=1;host=3;opposition=2;template=results;type=bowling;view=innings

As is his record in the UAE, in NZ, in England, in India, In South Africa against all comers,
 
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Not sure about that one.

Smith and Warner did well there last time. Carried the team.

Hughes 2 tours ago with twin 100's in the second test and all round Mitch 8 wickets and 96* in the first test. Pretty Jammy but Mitch always made his own luck - like a allrounder version of McCullum in some ways.

2011, Wanderers was a near miracle. 5-165 needing 310. Not to mention Cummins's 6 for. He has never played a test since. And his FC record seems to be getting worse. They got lucky there. Very lucky. Jammied a 1-1 tour result.

If SA switch to a duke ball...

Apparently NZ may be trying to break its contract with Kookaburra but we only have one more year of the Kookaburra under contract.

I wonder which ball Boult and Southee will choose.

Hmm.
 
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What do you define as mediocre anyways jidge. We are a very young side. So touring is going to be harder. I think Smiths overseas record is pretty good for example. He averages over 40 in every country he has played in.

Warner has to work on his record in asia but has 3 test centuries in the rsa.

Smiths record in england against england is fine. One of the best by a visiting batsman over the last few years.
 

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What do you define as mediocre anyways jidge. We are a very young side. So touring is going to be harder. I think Smiths overseas record is pretty good for example. He averages over 40 in every country he has played in.

Warner has to work on his record in asia but has 3 test centuries in the rsa.

Smiths record in england against england is fine. One of the best by a visiting batsman over the last few years.

Its fine. I wouldn't say one of the best.

He got that double tonne and a 50 in the second test at Lords which Australia won. Then nothing until the dead rubber. Averaged 38 in 2013. 25 in 2010.

People widely accept Warner as the goods. Better at home, but accept that because he is aggressive - he can score everywhere and is a threat.

Smith - because of this technique - divides a lot of opinion. Most Australians have faith in him - and thats fine. He has a lot runs and a lot of tonns.

But many people outside Australia are skeptics. And his pulverizing first innings and dominance at home do nothing to diminish that skepticism. It maybe that his technique is beyond reproach and he will be an all time great. But many of us, are waiting for LFM to expose him. It may not happen. But until he scores big against good LFM (not Rahat Ali, or a half fit Trent Boult), the doubt remains.

But that is merely 2 batsman out of 11.

Its not a team.

Have you seen what Pakistan is packing in the batting atm? Old maybe. But runs. So many runs.

India has runs too. Jadeja and Ashwin make a pretty strong 8 and 9.

England - Cook, Root, Taylor - with a half keeper Bairstow looking good for runs. Fragile - but showing some promise - even if Stokes is a chump.
 
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