2 Conference competition, winner of each plays off in RLSuper bowl

Discussion in 'NRL Expansion' started by Kray-Z, Aug 21, 2018.

  1. Hello, I'm The Doctor

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    Meh...

    NewsLtd will use its Brisbane papers to campaign for Sydney clubs to relocate then use its Sydney papers to whing about it.

    They just want controveey to sell papers...
     
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    If it was the ONLY way for them to get a license and all they had to do was accept colours and a mascot, i reckon there would be a few willing to take it on...

    The story the choose to tell beyond that is up to them.
     
  3. Hello, I'm The Doctor

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    I think the closest we would ever realisticLly get to this is a Challenge Cup style NRL9s

    Invite some semi pro teams/foreign teams into to comp, like the old Amco Cup...
     
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    We already have that, it’s played on GF day just before the NRL GF
     
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    It’s not bidders rejecting a Sydney brand that I’d be worried about... Tie the new club to an old brand and you tie it to the baggage that comes with that brand, for example if Perth was forced to continue the Tigers legacy all it’s going to do is alienate every RL fan in Perth that isn’t already a Tigers fan (realistically it’ll alienate a good chunk of them as well).
    Alienating the majority of your audience before you’ve even started is obviously a really bad idea, but what would they be getting for doing that, a fan base in Sydney? Let’s be honest the vast majority of Sydney based fans are going to dump the club in under a decade if the brand is relocated and attached to a new club.

    So really all the NRL would be doing by forcing a new club to pick up a Sydney brand is handicapping them in what is supposed to be their target market and artificially trying to force them to pick up a secondary market that will never accept them in large numbers anyway, at which point we come back to what would be the point in doing that at all?
     
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    Maybe but the way the ARLC is setup based upon the old 1928 ARL structure where NSW and QLD had equal footing

    But back then we didnt have a elite layer

    If we want to operate like that then the NRL layer needs to also end and revert back to its pre 1987 format

    Everyone in Qld tells us how great the Qld Cup is - so let them return and operate at a higher level.

    Anyway it wouldnt be 32 clubs. I would max at 24

    We speak of regionals v Sydney as a option. Then NSW v Rest is also a option

    There are 11 NSW NRL teams so you can grow to 12 or 14

    The rest has 5 clubs today and you have Redcliffe Ipswich Perth wanting to join thats 8 so growth to 12 would not be difficult

    There is reduced funding in NSW but funding increase in QLD
     
  7. Hello, I'm The Doctor

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    Lets take Perth as an example...

    Any pre-existing NRL fan will already have a team whether the Perth brand is new or old, but they will almost certainly take the new Perth team as their "second" team based on being their local. Whether it is the Perth Tigers/Pirates/whatever, this will always be true (New fans just wont know the difference at all). RL fans in Perth will still turn up just to see premium RL.

    No expansion team

    This is actually a good thing. THis isnt about giving the expansion teams a Sydney base, whats the f*cking point fo that. Its about dealing with the politics of expansion/resucing Sydney oversaturation...

    In 10 years, it wont matter whether they are an old brand or a new one. But what this DOES do is manage short term politics; we get 2 more expansion teams, one less sydney club and WTs fans are (though maybe not happy) at least pacified.

    I get this isnt perfect, but in a choice between this and nothing changing at all, i would back this.
     
  8. The Great Dane

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    Sure but most pre-existing NRL fans won't take teams that they hate or at least have been strongly opposed to for an extended period of time on as a second team... A new brand means no baggage, old brand brings all the baggage along with it.

    Except that is a false dichotomy, and the choice isn't only between your proposed scenario and nothing changing at all.

    It's not even clear that any form of rationalisation is on the table at all, but if it is on the table I can't really see the point of going to all the trouble of kicking merged clubs out of the comp then forcing new clubs to take on their identities in an attempt to appease the old merged clubs fans when realistically they aren't going to be happy with anything but their team in it's original form anyway, especially when realistically forcing the old Sydney club identities on the new clubs will only handicap them...

    If the NRL accepted that they needed to rationalise and actually went about it then why would they go to all that hassle when they could simply either force some Sydney clubs to relocate and get similar results or simply force them out of the NRL and into the NSW Cup and sell their license to the NRL's preferred bidder?
     
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    Sounds like we should cull Canberra and Gold Coast to let Perth and Ipswich in
     
  10. Perth Red

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    Sounds like the clubs believe the NRL would like to see a Sydney team to fall over, or it could be sharks being paranoid!

    "Cronulla will not be the first club that falls victim, or becomes the first casualty, to the NRL’s intent to maybe expand the game or use an existing license," Mezzatesta said. "That won’t be our club.

    "I can sit here and tell you very confidently we won’t be that club that will be relocating. Whilst we’re faced with adversity, it makes it hard to write sponsorship. But I have never come across a more resilient brand than the Sharks."

    https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/sharks-are-here-to-stay-insists-cronulla-boss-20190202-p50vaa.html
     
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    Sydney clubs have long memories

    From the original demise of Glebe to Newtown and then Wests in 1983

    To the post SL war cull and its huge damage to the Sydney RL framework

    Wests and Souths fought tooth and nail to save their clubs through the courts

    Clubs and their fans don't trust the admin

    I could see all Sydney or NSW clubs one day on mass quit the NRL and work as a standalone NSWRL league and renegotiate their own TV deal etc
     
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    Of course they don't trust them, they have one singular vested interest where as the games commission has responsibility for the whole game. Its why it is a crazy idea to give clubs and the NSWRL/QRL seats at the decision making table.

    Maybe, why do you think the NRL wants forever license agreements? However getting every NSW club to agree on anything, let alone create a SL2 without the big clubs is a laughable notion.
     
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    This would be hilarious!!!

    Clubs can only agree that the all disagree with everything the ARLC does. Imagine if they actually tried to break away and lead themselves. They would tear each other apart.

    I am guessing it is not an issue though. Im sure the ARLC has learned from the 1990s ARLs f*ck ups and actually have decent licence agreements that will hold up in court
     
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    Such as? If you remember back in the super league competition none of the clubs who defected could use their emblems as they were trademarks of the ARL.
     
  15. Hello, I'm The Doctor

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    The agreements were thrown out by the high court because the SL clubs were forced to sign them under duress. I believe the story was that the ARL heard about SL, brought all the clubs into a room and said "no lawyers, sign these 5-year agreements before you leave or you are out".

    ARLC seem to have learned their lesson from that stupid 1-year agreement thing Arko was pulling. The agreements clubs have signed now will hold up much better, im certain.
     
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    Or see the total demise of the NRL!
     
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    Upheld by the judge. The 5 year agreements were only overturned on appeal. So I'm not sure how they were a complete [email protected] up .The guy responsible for drawing the agreements up was an accomplished lawyer himself.
     
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    A contract that holds up in court half the time? Greeaaaaaat......

    I dont blame the lawyer, it was the ARLs fault for leaving it so late. Pure arrogance.
     
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    The fact that it was repealed means that it didn't hold up in court at all really.
     
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    I got an idea, with the two conferences...

    conference 1
    Sydney
    Souths
    Wests
    Parramatta
    Stgeorge
    Melbourne
    Gold Coast
    Newcastle
    Manly
    Brisbane 2

    conference 2
    Brisbane
    Nth Qld
    Auckland
    Penrith
    Canterbury
    Canberra
    Cronulla
    Perth
    Adelaide
    Newcastle

    2 See even 2 comps? 20 teams?
    Whats everyone gotta problem with? Perfect if you ask me, maybe should have done this 25 years ago, maybe this would been a really super comp of rugby league in and around Australia, better than all the rest! Better than anyone ive ever met!
    hehehehe
     

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