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2005 NRL ladder predictions

miniHINDY

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greeneyed said:
I quite like Parramatta and their supporters... I only don't like Fitzy and Brian Smith...... however, I really can't see Parra finishing in the 8.... I am not saying we will either, but I don't see Parra changing under their current regime.

Im prettysure we had the same regime in 2001 and we didnt do too badly that year. I really dont think thats a valid arguement
 

Raiders Plight

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the sharks have some quality players but also some ordinary ones. I wouldnt be hoping for anything above 7th if i was a sharks fan.
 

Iafeta

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gregstar said:
and does anyone think the sharks will make the 8?

Can't see it happening, but I was wildly wrong this year.

I predict the Sharks and Raiders to scrap for the spoon.
 

God-King Dean

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I think if anything, Sharks will improve

I should probrably do my predictions again to see if it will change from the last time I put mine in
 

Tidus_Raider

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Iafeta said:
gregstar said:
I predict the Sharks and Raiders to scrap for the spoon.

It's funny how when the Raiders when out and bought Smith and Adamson they are accused of buying over the hill stars but when the Warriors went out and bought Wiki and Price they were great signings.

We'll see when the June 30 deadline rolls around next year how much the Waaiors actually paid for these two players and if the rumours are correct expect them to lose a bit more talent then they have already lost.

All I have to say is Raiders will improve. They may make they 8, they may not but they won't win the spoon.
 

RABK

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You 'get' the spoon. If you call it 'winning' the spoon...... well thats almost as bad as the tigers calling missing the 8 by 2 points an achievement. :lol:
 

Iafeta

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Tidus_Raider said:
Iafeta said:
gregstar said:
I predict the Sharks and Raiders to scrap for the spoon.

It's funny how when the Raiders when out and bought Smith and Adamson they are accused of buying over the hill stars but when the Warriors went out and bought Wiki and Price they were great signings.

We'll see when the June 30 deadline rolls around next year how much the Waaiors actually paid for these two players and if the rumours are correct expect them to lose a bit more talent then they have already lost.

All I have to say is Raiders will improve. They may make they 8, they may not but they won't win the spoon.

Its very, very different. Playing for big cash over in a softer league in Great Britain, compared to the weekly rigours of the NRL - hmmm, wonder whom the better players are mentally?

Take Tony Martin for example. Very good player when he left for Great Britain, comes back under big wraps for the Warriors, clearly not physically up to it, not mentally up to it.

Look at the ESL, average players who aren't ordinarily playmakers, guys like Dennis Moran and Billy Peden carve up games. Now you'll gain a lot of bad habits if you're consistently exposed to that.

Now, finally, the MAJOR factor the Raiders struggled for mine is:-

A: Their style, it never goes two passes wider, in my opinion between your own goal line, and the 30 metre attacking line, you're one of the best teams in the league, BUT when it gets to the final 30, the attacking zone, you have nothing. I take the Raiders v Roosters game, early in that game when they flogged you 36 odd to not much, you had a few opportunities, but you just had no options on attack.
B: The kicking game, and general direction from the halves. There was no spark, no verve, no flair from your 6 and 7.

In my opinion, losing McLinden helps that situation because he was more of a hinderence than a positive to the team, he was a very limited player in terms of organisation. A bit like Thomas Leuluai, except he did have some pace. However, Jason Smith 2005 after a few years over there does nothing to help it out. 2001, different story.

As for the Warriors, there were MAJOR flaws left, right and centre. They were left with one bloke coaching, they now have a defensive co-ordinator and offensive co-ordinator to help out as well as a development officer and player welfare manager as well as a strategic analyst. AND, in fairness, they just lacked a clear head to lead them through tough times. Price and Wiki provide that.

The other problem, after 60 minutes the forwards didn't have the energy to keep going. Price is the NRL's version of the Energizer Bunny, just keeps going. Wiki is not up to his standards, but he's damn tough. Everyone knew it when he was at Canberra (and, in my opinion, its another reason the Raiders will struggle for the mana he had at the club).

I've been very wrong in the past, its no hatred to the Raiders or Canberra, its an opinion. I quite enjoyed watching Meninga, Daley, Stuart and friends wreak havoc before the Warriors time, those days are gone though and it seems several people are still living off it rather than moving on from it.
 

Kris_man

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Iafeta:

- if you think i'm gonna blindly defend the Raiders, then you're wrong. i agree with you, we're terrible in the opposition's 20, especially when it comes to the 5th tackle.
- our kicking game in '04 was atrocious, i'm not doubting that. but our PL kickers were OK, and i think kicking the ball well is a skill which is easy to transder from the lower grades to the higher grades. plus, from what i've heard, Jason Smith is more than a decent kicker.
- this is a minor point, but i think Tony Martin, at least when i saw him, looked OK. with a good coach (which seemingly Tony Kemp is not) and a decent team outside him, i think he would have gone well.
- Wiki's better than Price.
- Tony Kemp's the worst coach in the NRL :p no, seriously.
 

Iafeta

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Kris_man said:
Iafeta:

- if you think i'm gonna blindly defend the Raiders, then you're wrong. i agree with you, we're terrible in the opposition's 20, especially when it comes to the 5th tackle.
- our kicking game in '04 was atrocious, i'm not doubting that. but our PL kickers were OK, and i think kicking the ball well is a skill which is easy to transder from the lower grades to the higher grades. plus, from what i've heard, Jason Smith is more than a decent kicker.
- this is a minor point, but i think Tony Martin, at least when i saw him, looked OK. with a good coach (which seemingly Tony Kemp is not) and a decent team outside him, i think he would have gone well.
- Wiki's better than Price.
- Tony Kemp's the worst coach in the NRL :p no, seriously.

Interestingly, I would like to know what your opinion of Kemp is based on?

If its on his 2004 lack of success, I don't think Harry Houdini would have stopped the Warriors ship from sinking. He has had success working alongside Daniel Anderson, and also at reserve grade level in the UK. There also wasn't a single coach in the NRL operating as practically a one man band - Kemp had no full time support in coaching.

Personally I think he has up until round 10 to prove himself as he'll have his own pre-season routines in place, his own self picked coaching teams, and his own squad to mould his tactics over.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the guy, I just don't know if he's truly had an opportunity yet. He could quite possibly be the worst coach in the NRL, no Warriors fan is going to say he is the best coach or he has great potential, its a big unknown and a big negative factor for us at this stage.

As for Martin, he didn't play that well. He came as a proclaimed goal kicking guru, and kicked about 4 goals all year. His defence got a bit ragged, and he certainly didn't have the pace to survive on the wing anymore. Then again, I think all of the Warriors struggled off the back off an unreasonable, foolish and ultimately futile fitness regime implemented by Daniel Anderson which was aimed solely at bulking the players up in an injury prevention test, which ultimately lost them stamina, leg speed, all around pace, acceleration - and when you lose stamina, it leads to massive dropped ball, sweaty hands, bad footwork leading to poor hand eye co-ordination and snatching for the ball, also the old style of off loads can't work because players simply weren't fit enough to get to the breakdown.

The other thing I will say is this. Price and Wiki are different players. If you sent them both to say Newcastle, an out of the area town (no offence, but no ties to Price or Wiki or a whole countries patriotism), Price would be the bigger buy. 20 tackles, 20 hit ups, 160 metres, its all valuable. Wiki doesn't quite reach those stats. What though he had at Canberra, and undoubtably has shown at Otahuhu and with the Kiwis he has is a thing we call "mana". Its pride, honour, committment - the Kiwis there would run through a brick wall for him. He's a hero to them, so to have him on the field or even off the field alongside them will be a massive spur for these kids.

The Warriors biggest test is to regain the fitness, the words are very positive but it doesn't totally wash with me until we see it in action. If they can regain fitness, they're halfway there. They're the million dollar team, either capable of getting into the top 8, or joining Cronulla or Canberra scrapping it out.
 

Kris_man

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my poor opinion of Tony Kemp is based on a severe lack of evidence to prove he deserves anything more. even with the crappiest coaches, teams usually life for the first few games after re-instatement. Kemp couldn't even get that out of his boys. it's also based on his talk, and his body language, both during games and at press conferences. at the end of the day, i'm no insider - these things are what i base my opinion on. nothing concrete really. the most important thing for a coach is, by a long shot, on-field results. and as you say, Tony Kemp has a whole season in 2005 to get those results (i know you only gave him 10 rounds, but i give him a season).
 

RifRaf

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Kris_man said:
my poor opinion of Tony Kemp is based on a severe lack of evidence to prove he deserves anything more.
i'm no insider - these things are what i base my opinion on.
nothing concrete really.
So basically your basing your opinion on not knowing jack shit about him? No worries Pauline...
 

Kris_man

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RifRaf said:
Kris_man said:
my poor opinion of Tony Kemp is based on a severe lack of evidence to prove he deserves anything more.
i'm no insider - these things are what i base my opinion on.
nothing concrete really.
So basically your basing your opinion on not knowing jack sh*t about him? No worries Pauline...

well, one needs to have an opinion. i guess time will tell if i'm right or not. if i prove wrong, then you can criticise. if i'm right, i'll rub it in your face. and if you read my post closely, it's clear that i do have something to base my opinion on: "a severe lack of evidence to prove he deserves anything more". pretty simple, really.
 

RifRaf

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Kris_man said:
RifRaf said:
Kris_man said:
my poor opinion of Tony Kemp is based on a severe lack of evidence to prove he deserves anything more.
i'm no insider - these things are what i base my opinion on.
nothing concrete really.
So basically your basing your opinion on not knowing jack sh*t about him? No worries Pauline...

well, one needs to have an opinion. i guess time will tell if i'm right or not. if i prove wrong, then you can criticise. if i'm right, i'll rub it in your face. and if you read my post closely, it's clear that i do have something to base my opinion on: "a severe lack of evidence to prove he deserves anything more". pretty simple, really.
Whatever champ!
- Tony Kemp's the worst coach in the NRL no, seriously.
seems like a fairly strong conviction to have especially seeing your strongest piece of evidence is based on a guys alleged body language...
If you are right in the long run (which I would suggest would be from luck rather than your Alan Please evaluations and clarvoyancy) I hope you get a buzz out of "rubbing my face in it" because I know it will just cut me so deeeeep that he's not a good coach......
 

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