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2008 PREMIERS Manly Warringah 40 def Storm 0 @ ANZ, Sun 5 Oct

2008 PREMIERS - Melbourne or Manly?


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Rain will Favour us imo. Also i got very excited when i realised we will be playing in the first daytime gf for a very long time.

Sunday arvo + home jerseys + Higher percentage of Manly fans in the crowd could equal a special day for us Manly fans.

Home jerseys will definitely win it...:?
 

gong_eagle

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Sea Eagles V Storm Preview
NRL.com
http://nrl.com/Scores/TelstraPremie...x?roundid=702&matchid=5308&defaulttab=Preview



Sea Eagles v Storm
ANZ Stadium
Sunday 5.15pm
HERE we go!
The last 80 minutes of the season (a little more if we are super lucky) where we find out just who is the best side of the year.
Will it be the reigning premiers Melbourne, in their third straight grand final, who take the trophy or will it be Manly Warringah, last year’s runners up, who extract revenge and send legend Steve Menzies off a winner in his final game for the club?
Both sides have plenty of motivation and emotion bubbling through their campaigns. Manly have the Menzies factor – the try-scoring forward makes history by equalling Terry Lamb for the most first grade games in history (349), but is due to play the remainder of his career for Bradford in the UK, meaning the desire to send the champion out with a fairytale finish is uppermost in the Sea Eagles’ minds.
They also have the foul taste of defeat still rank in their mouths.
Last year they weren’t just beaten by the Storm, they were hammered and humiliated – and revenge can be a powerful motivator.
They plan to go into this clash unchanged from their pummelling of Cronulla although Matt Orford (ankle), Steve Matai (shoulder) and Glenn Stewart (leg) may be hampered by their niggling injuries.
The Storm, meanwhile, have flourished under their “us against the world” siege mentality.
After losing captain Cam Smith to suspension and abusing the NRL for the result (which brought a $50,000 fine) they are without doubt the league’s new “bad boys” – ironic, given they’ve shifted the tag ‘the team everyone loves to hate’ away from Manly!
But if you take last week’s result as a guide, they love it. It’s been a long time since they were underdogs in a match and they will revel in it.
They too are farewelling some stars: Matt Geyer is retiring and is in legend status at the Storm; Michael Crocker is off to England, Jeremy Smith to the Dragons, Israel Folau to Brisbane and Antonio Kaufusi to North Queensland.
They welcome back Jeremy Smith from suspension, with Aiden Tolman and Brett Anderson looking like being the extra men on the bench.
Watch out Sea Eagles: Emotion can sometimes get in the way of football.
While the Storm have their own farewells, the Steve Menzies circus has he potential to overshadow Manly’s focus.
Of course the side is professional and have learned from last year but they have to be careful the occasion does not beat them.
There is such a thing as trying too hard in football, so coach Des Hasler needs to beat the game plan into his players over and over and over.
Watch out Storm: Manly are the most prolific team at scoring tries from turnovers and also from dummy-half, meaning the Melbourne boys concentrate at all times in defence or face the consequences.
NRL defences are usually strong enough to deny tries from dummy-half (in fact the Storm are the only team in the NRL to not allow one) but it only takes one lapse to change this.
Manly have the players who can exploit these chances so the Storm need to be ready.
As for turnovers, sometimes the initial response to an error can be a distracted one. Players are annoyed at the error and forget to kill the ball.
Melbourne can’t afford to forget.
Where it will be won: In the key match-ups. Fullback, five-eighth, halfback and hooker. Let’s go to the stats, shall we:
Fullback: Brett Stewart v Billy Slater
Slater is ahead of Stewart on all the major attacking stats except scoring tries.
The Storm custodian averages 134 metres a game compared to Stewart’s 123 metres.
He has more line breaks (22-16), line-break assists (14-12), tackle busts (127-91) and try assists (14-12) than his counterpart but Stewart has sniffed out eight more tries this year (22-14).
Defensively Stewart has made 71.6 per cent of tackles this year including 13 try savers.
Slater has also made 13 try savers – but has made 76.6 per cent of his tackles.
Five –Eighth: Jamie Lyon v Greg Inglis
Here we have two differing styles. Inglis is more dangerous as a ball runner; Lyon is more dangerous as a ball player.
Lyon averages just 58 metres running a game compared to Inglis’ 94 metres and has just seven line breaks to the reigning Clive Churchill Medal winner’s 15, 38 tackle busts to 90 and five tries to Inglis’ 17.
However he trumps the Storm star in kick metres (119-40), line-break assists (11-3), try assists (14-4) and offloads (24-17). Lyon also has fewer errors than Inglis (22-11) and makes a higher percentage of his tackles (88-83).
Click here for complete player stats!
Halfback: Matt Orford v Cooper Cronk
The money men.
These two captains hold their teams’ fortunes in their hands and there is a huge chance the Clive Churchill Medal winner will be one of these men.
Orford’s critical stats are as follows: 36 running metres a game, 350 kick metres a game, three line breaks, 17 line-break assists, three tries, 31 try assists, 49 tackle breaks, 19 offloads and 38 errors.
Cronk’s are: 39 running metres a game, 417 kick metres a game, five line breaks, 19 line-break assists, four tries, 37 try assists, 29 tackle breaks, 8 offloads and 25 errors. Defensively Cronk is the man: he has made 89.4 per cent of his tackles compared to Orford’s 76 per cent.
Click here for complete player stats!
Hooker: Matt Ballin v Russell Aitken
If Cam Smith was in Aitken’s place he’d be a knockout choice but that’s not the reality.
Ballin has experience over Aitken in this position and as such has an edge. But Aitken proved last weekend that he is more than competent.
Whoever can get their forwards rolling and provide crisp service to their halves will help their side to victory.
Click here for complete player stats!
The History: Played 13; Sea Eagles 5, Storm 8.
The Storm have won four of the past five between the two clubs, including both encounters this year – and of course last season’s grand final. Earlier this season the Storm won 26-4 in round 5 in Melbourne and 16-10 at Brookvale in round 22.
Conclusion: With Cam Smith sidelined the Storm are underdogs but counting them out would be a grave mistake.
This match is still a toss-of-the-coin job and should go down to the wire.
Matt Orford can, once and for all, bury his critics with a big game but one thing in the lead- up is eerily similar to last year – the quiet form of Greg Inglis.
Last year Inglis wasn’t playing great in the lead-up yet absolutely killed the Sea Eagles in the big one.
This year his finals form has been down too… will he explode again?
If you are looking for a Clive Churchill tip you could go for a favourite like the Storm’s Slater or Orford for the Sea Eagles, but if you want some smokies look at Michael Crocker – he always lifts in big games – or Glenn Stewart – his form this year has been red hot.
We won’t pick a winner here but it would be an extreme surprise to see a margin greater than eight points either way.
Match officials: Referee – Tony Archer; Sideline Officials – Steve Chiddy & Jeff Younis; Video ref – Bill Harrigan & Steve Clark.
Televised: Channel Nine – Live 5pm.
* Statistics: NRL Stats.
 

cupid

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Melbourne have really limped into this years GF, they have had 3 poor games back to back, only if Cooper didn't have a blinder the score would of been 16-0 where abouts. They are making many mistakes, there looking tired, they have a rookie at hooker, I expect him to choke. They have less kicking options, Cronk and Inglis, they have players carrying small injuries, there looking tired. Manly are looking fresh, fit, key players performing well, redemption.

Manly by 14
 

Jono078

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Using my Rugby League simulator I simulated the game 3 times for good measure, here are some of the results it spat out;

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This Year?

Immortal
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I think the Storm will win. I think the moment will get to Manly again even though they have momentum coming into this game.
 

mxlegend99

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Manly by 7.

They're in excellent form, are fielding a closer to full strength side and will be looking to make up for last season. I honestly can't believe how well they've done this season.
 

Noa

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Mama Cass, Bon Scott, Michael Hutchence, Greg Norman.

Will Orford take his place among the all-time greats?
 

Ice777

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Storm feeling heat more than me: Orford



http://news.leaguehq.com.au/sport/storm-feeling-heat-more-than-me-orford-20081002-4slp.html


October 2, 2008 - 4:15PM

Manly captain Matt Orford says all the pressure of the NRL grand final is on Melbourne - not him - but just how much stress his injured ankle can take won't be known until he has a full training run with the Sea Eagles on Friday.

Orford has been blighted by criticism he goes missing in the big games, including a quiet 2007 grand final, and his absence from representative sides in recent years has been put down to that factor alone.But the Dally M player-of-the-year looked to turn the blowtorch back onto the Storm after their stuttering run through to Sunday's decider.

"I think all the pressure's on those guys to tell you the truth," Orford said.
"I don't think I'll overplay my hand and there's nothing I'm going to do differently in this game than I've done the last few weeks. "I'm definitely not going to hang my boots up if I don't have one of my best games.

"Whether they're going to give me an Australia jersey out of it or not, that's the last thing on my mind and I think ... playing in this grand final's big enough for myself." Pressed on why he thought the underdog defending premiers should be feeling more pressure, Orford shot back: "Why's the pressure on me? It's a grand final. "I can't see how it can be all just a career defining moment for myself.

"The pressure's on them ... I see the loss of their captain (Cameron Smith to suspension) and (injured second-rower) Ryan Hoffman. "They're still a champion team so don't get me wrong but at least compare the two things and I think Melbourne's got a lot more pressure than what I do."


Melbourne opposite number Cooper Cronk played a dead bat to Orford's comments. "It's grand final week, there's pressure on both teams," Cronk said. "If you don't feel the excitement that's in the air and the festivities that grand final week has to offer you may as well not pull on the boots because this is what footy is all about.

"As a kid you'd sit a metre away from the television with barbecues and your friends and family cheering for either team and to be here is a bloody good experience and I'm looking forward to it."

Orford was seen icing both ankles after last weekend's preliminary final win over the New Zealand Warriors.He is in no doubt to take his place at ANZ Stadium but won't know the full extent of the discomfort he'll need to endure until he has his first full run with the Sea Eagles on Friday. "The ankles aren't going too bad. I trained yesterday, had a little trot around," he said.

"Tomorrow I'm sure I'm going to run fully with the team and get amongst it and sort of rip in and see how I pull up." But whether the Sea Eagles linchpin can take his place as the side's goal-kicker, and whether he will be hampered kicking in general play, remain to be seen. Five-eighth Jamie Lyon or centre Steve Matai are Manly's back-up goal-kickers.

"I'll try and do it. If I can't well it's not the end of the world," Orford said.
 
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I see Orford is out in the press saying that all the pressure is on Storm and not on him ???...if I was him I would just deflect the question and play the game.
 

effnic

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Home jerseys will definitely win it...:?
Well hopefully after a good 30 mins or so after they get there heads knocked around a bit they look down and see there home jerseys and think they are at brooky and FIRE THE f**k UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

cupid

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The only thing I like about the Home jerseys is that the game will look different from last year.

The different the better.
 

Ice777

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have u ever been to melbourne??


It's rained almost 3 times more in Sydney this year than Melbourne when it's usually only twice as much. Having said that i don't think the rain will advantage or disadvantage either team a great deal.
 

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