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2010 Board Report

Bigfella

Coach
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10,102
You're kidding ... You haven't read it but you are going to agree with Gronk?

You could have knocked me down with a feather!

I see the usual tag team is backing ech other up when someone disagrees with them.

Let me guess who else you will end up agreeing by the time you finish ?
:lol:
 
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I'm just doing what you guys are doing. If you guys stop the bullsh*t so will I.
Many of you have over dramatised the issues surrounding the board especially the sacking of DA.


Now I concede that the DA situation was handled poorly and I don't like the leaks. But are these issues really deserving of the scathing garbage that we have been getting on this forum.
Some stuff on here that has been posted about the board is absolute rubbish.
 

bartman

Immortal
Messages
41,022
You're kidding ... You haven't read it but you are going to agree with Gronk?
You clearly only read what you want to read - I've read it, but haven't digested it. I want to give it another read before I post my own "analysis" - but Gronk's post is clearly the most thoughtful (and "rhetoric" free) post in this thread.

You could have knocked me down with a feather!

I see the usual tag team is backing ech other up when someone disagrees with them.

Let me guess who else you will end up agreeing by the time you finish ?
:lol:
Goodness me. Imagining tag teams now Bigfella? You seem to have taken great offence at opinions that are different to yours, and claiming some "campaign" is the height of paranoia - I know some medical professionals that can probably help you with that.

I'm just doing what you guys are doing. If you guys stop the bullsh*t so will I.
I'm not sure where posting opinions on a forum became "bullsh*t"? Ah, that's it... it's when the opinion is different to yours Jake!
Many of you have over dramatised the issues surrounding the board especially the sacking of DA.


Now I concede that the DA situation was handled poorly and I don't like the leaks.
Huh? Is it just me or do those two sentences contradict each other? Don't you want our club to improve too Jake?

But are these issues really deserving of the scathing garbage that we have been getting on this forum.
Some stuff on here that has been posted about the board is absolute rubbish.
I haven't seen anything I think is too scathing to be honest. I think the most I've posted is basically variations on my opinion that they are doing a crap job.... Anything that is "scathing garbage" would surely be deleted by a mod for being inappropriate or libellous?

It seems to me you just don't like opinions other than your own being aired. If your opinion is so much better, type it out and leave it at that (until someone quotes you and questions it), instead of throwing a paranoid internet tantrum. :crazy:
 

born an eel

Bench
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NO REINSTATEMENT AFTER 33 YEARS OF UNBLEMISHED RECORD
The employee commenced work with the employer as a waitress in 1976 and worked her way up to become catering manager.
The employer conducted an investigation regarding employee involvement in board elections and found that the catering manager had e-mailed confidential documents including department reports, profit and loss figures, stock data, monthly sales comparisons and trading analysis for each venue.
The catering manager had e-mailed the information to her husband. The employer dismissed the employee for her actions.
The Tribunal accepted that the actions of the employee were deliberate and could have harmed the business of the employer but the Tribunal also accepted that the employee was motivated to help her husband.
The employee’s representative submitted that there had not been procedural fairness in the dismissal process in that there was no record of a formal investigation into the matter, that there were no records of interviews or discussions and no proper particulars had been put to the employee.
Industrial Relations Newsletter — 15-03-10/2
Solutions For The Workplace
Page 2
Industrial Relations Newsletter — 15-03-10/2
Solutions For The Workplace
Page 3
The Tribunal took the view that this was an instance where the
employee failed to appreciate the potential consequences
of what had been done rather than intentionally attempting
to harm the employer.
The Tribunal found that the employer had a valid reason to
dismiss the employee but given the length of the employee’s
service and the unblemished record the dismissal was
“harsh”.
The employee sought to be reinstated and the Tribunal
refused that application as the difficulty of establishing
the necessary trust and confidence and the lack of
other available positions of work with the employer that
reinstatement was not an option.
The Tribunal advised that because the dismissal was
harsh that it would have ordered the payment of 18 weeks
compensation but as the employee was guilty of misconduct
the amount was reduced to 12 weeks pay.
Delaney –v- Parramatta Leagues Club Limited [2010] FWA 1164
(22 February 2010)
The Issues
While the employee was guilty of serious misconduct that
was proven the length of employment of the employee for
a period of 33 years and no previous warnings had to be
taken into account when the employee was dismissed.
One of the principles applied by the Tribunal in these
matters is “a fair go all round” test.
Our View
While the misconduct of the employee was serious the
employer should have taken into account the period of
previous employment of the employee and perhaps a first
and final warning may have been appropriate.
However in a practical sense the employer had to act to
protect their business and operations and would appear to
have been left with only a commercial decision to consider
and at the end the employee is no longer employed and
the other employees of the employer were put on notice that
such behaviour would not be acceptable to the employer.
The evidentiary trail or lack of it is also exposed in this
matter and employers are advised that the documentation
and evidentiary trail is critical in these matters.
http://johntamplinconsulting.com.au/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_download&gid=53
 
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You clearly only read what you want to read - I've read it, but haven't digested it. I want to give it another read before I post my own "analysis" - but Gronk's post is clearly the most thoughtful (and "rhetoric" free) post in this thread.


Goodness me. Imagining tag teams now Bigfella? You seem to have taken great offence at opinions that are different to yours, and claiming some "campaign" is the height of paranoia - I know some medical professionals that can probably help you with that.


I'm not sure where posting opinions on a forum became "bullsh*t"? Ah, that's it... it's when the opinion is different to yours Jake!

Huh? Is it just me or do those two sentences contradict each other? Don't you want our club to improve too Jake?


I haven't seen anything I think is too scathing to be honest. I think the most I've posted is basically variations on my opinion that they are doing a crap job.... Anything that is "scathing garbage" would surely be deleted by a mod for being inappropriate or libellous?

It seems to me you just don't like opinions other than your own being aired. If your opinion is so much better, type it out and leave it at that (until someone quotes you and questions it), instead of throwing a paranoid internet tantrum. :crazy:

Tantrum pffffttttttt stop being silly. You automatically think that the scathing garbage comment was directed at you. Why?

I don't mind differing opinions. What bothers me is when people make up bullsh*t that's not true just to suit their agenda. Is this ok with you?
 

Delboy

First Grade
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7,671
Jake, the conspiracy theorists on here who continually make negative statements about the current board do my head in.

They ignore all the good things they have achieved and the fact they have taken action on numerous issues that were blocked under the previous admin, They won't like this but I have a fair knowledge of what went on and is happening, and in general terms the current admin deserve a lot more support on here than they have been getting.

We all agree there have been some things that could have been handled better, but w need to move on big time, the constant reference to the old board as if it was some pious regime that never did anything wrong has proved to be incorrect. In all honesty I wish these threads could be closed and we got on talking about the real issue, the footy.

I am actually looking forward to next year with the idea we may have some structure and plans, something I really wosh DA had given us, as I like the person a great deal as an individual but turned out to be the wrong fit in the NRL.
 

CrazyEel

Bench
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I'm just doing what you guys are doing. If you guys stop the bullsh*t so will I.
Many of you have over dramatised the issues surrounding the board especially the sacking of DA.


Now I concede that the DA situation was handled poorly and I don't like the leaks. But are these issues really deserving of the scathing garbage that we have been getting on this forum.
Some stuff on here that has been posted about the board is absolute rubbish.

Tantrum pffffttttttt stop being silly. You automatically think that the scathing garbage comment was directed at you. Why?

I don't mind differing opinions. What bothers me is when people make up bullsh*t that's not true just to suit their agenda. Is this ok with you?
LOL, good points in both posts Jake, you have also proven my point to eels81236 that your not as paranoid nor as squeaky others here.

Always putting out a positive attitude may not solve all one's problems, but it will certainly annoy enough negative people to make it worth the effort. :D
 
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Not at all, mate. I just thought your answer may help me make what I consider a valid point. You may appreciate it.
It would be near on impossible getting you to perhaps see reason as your hatred of DF appears to be clouding your vision. Atleast that is what I am getting from reading your posts of late. Perhaps you and I together could help you see more clearly?

I didn't think that a "hatred" of DF and a "love" of 3P were mutually exclusive.

I thought you could be glad that DF is gone but still not concede the sun shines out of the current boards collective arse. On the other side of the coin, I thought that you could be totally unhappy with 3P's performance yet still not want DF and co. back.

Maybe it is just me, but when I sit back and try to think about it logically I can obviously see a little more grey than your constant black and white view on the politics that is Parra Leagues.

I don't hate Fitzgerald, my judgement is not clouded. My posts are the very same as some of the posters who are anti the 3P board. It seems that they can make up bullsh*t but when bullsh*t comes back at them using their own tactics it bothers them.

TBH I could not give a flying f**k about politics. I care more about the actual footy. But What irks me is some of the bullsh*t that is being made up. I have conceded before that the current board is not perfect.... WHO IS?

I want to ask you ...... Our last board lost millions ( 12 million) on Parra Power soccer team, WHERE WAS THE OUTRAGE then? Not much was said back then. Now compare the reaction to the current board because a coach got sacked. How does that make sense?
 
Messages
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Jake, the conspiracy theorists on here who continually make negative statements about the current board do my head in.

They ignore all the good things they have achieved and the fact they have taken action on numerous issues that were blocked under the previous admin, They won't like this but I have a fair knowledge of what went on and is happening, and in general terms the current admin deserve a lot more support on here than they have been getting.

We all agree there have been some things that could have been handled better, but w need to move on big time, the constant reference to the old board as if it was some pious regime that never did anything wrong has proved to be incorrect. In all honesty I wish these threads could be closed and we got on talking about the real issue, the footy.

I am actually looking forward to next year with the idea we may have some structure and plans, something I really wosh DA had given us, as I like the person a great deal as an individual but turned out to be the wrong fit in the NRL.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 

CrazyEel

Bench
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3,680
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/eels-boss-blasts-fitzy-anderson-20101009-16cyz.html

Eels boss blasts Fitzy, Anderson

Adrian Proszenko
October 10, 2010

PARRAMATTA chairman Roy Spagnolo has unloaded on his critics, defending the decision to sack coach Daniel Anderson with a year remaining on his contract.

Spagnolo has penned an explosive letter - obtained by The Sun-Herald - that will be distributed to Parramatta members this week. In it, he hits back at ''misinformation'' and criticism of his chairmanship and the direction of the board. The key points include:
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❏ Reasons for sacking Anderson;

❏ Denials of board meddling in recruitment and retention strategy;

❏ Denials of vengeful sackings of staff hired by deposed chief executive Denis Fitzgerald;

❏ An outline of the club's finances.

Spagnolo has come under fire for terminating Anderson's contract just months after guaranteeing he would see out the remaining year of his $300,000 a year deal.

However, the letter, which has been posted at www.parraleagues.com.au, states that a season review of football operations - conducted by chief executive Paul Osborne and directors Geoff Gerard and Glenn Duncan - found that ''Daniel and his manager felt that the coaching role was untenable unless Daniel was provided with a further extension of his contract.

''All agreed there were two choices: either his contract be extended beyond one year; or his contract be paid out.

''At the completion of the review the decision was taken to negotiate a buy-out of the balance of Daniel's contract and that is what is occurring,'' Spagnolo writes.

The board has come under fire for its recruitment policy after local juniors Feleti Mateo, Krisnan Inu and Kris Keating were released, particularly given that a suitable playmaking replacement had not been bought.

There has also been criticism for the decision to sign enigmatic forwards Carl Webb and Reni Maitua. Maitua is still serving a suspension for testing positive to clenbuterol, a banned substance.

However, the letter says: ''Contrary to some media reports, it should be noted and made very clear that the purchase of the following two players was negotiated by Daniel Anderson and Paul Osborne, and at no time was there any board involvement …

''Further to the above, it was Daniel Anderson's decision not to renew the contracts of [Mateo, Inu and Keating]. At no time was there any board interference regarding the above.''

Anderson steered the Eels to the 2009 grand final, won by salary cap rorters Melbourne.

He will be replaced by New Zealand Test mentor and former Storm assistant Stephen Kearney, who has signed a three-year deal.

Anderson did not return The Sun-Herald's calls.

Spagnolo has kept a low profile since winning power on the 3P ticket in last year's football and leagues club elections, ending Fitzgerald's 30-year reign as chief executive.

The letter, his first major public communication to fans, signals the first shot in what will be another bitter battle for control of the club.

The fate of the board is clouded after revelations of a planned coup at the football club elections in December and the leagues club elections next April.

The football club elections are significant because three of those directors will join the leagues club board, which controls the Eels.

Spagnolo's critics claim all personnel linked to or hired by Fitzgerald have been released. However, Spagnolo's letter claims this is untrue and outlines the reasons for the departures of 10 employees, including Fitzgerald.

The letter also claims 3P has delivered its promise to ''arrest and reverse the club's financial decline''. Leagues club funding to the football club has decreased by $1.5 million ''as a result of new initiatives in brand marketing, costs savings and season tickets sales'', Spagnalo writes.

He also claims that the ''management restructure'' has saved $700,000 in salary payments and cites these figures for leagues club net profit:

❏ 2008 $8.7 million loss;

❏ 2009 $1.5 million profit;

❏ 2010 $910,000 profit July to date (with an expectation of $2.1 million profit for the year).

''We are focused on returning our club to the glory years of the '80s, which means that we are not afraid to make tough decisions if it means our club will make sound progress,'' Spagnolo writes.
 
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CrazyEel

Bench
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3,680
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...kingpin-rejects-criticism-20101009-16d8k.html
Former club kingpin rejects criticism
Adrian Proszenko
October 10, 2010

FORMER Parramatta chief executive Denis Fitzgerald has been accused of engaging in ''inappropriate'' or improper practices in his failed bid to retain control of the club.

In a letter to Parramatta members that Fitzgerald has described as ''desperate'', Eels chairman Roy Spagnolo claims Fitzgerald spent more than $100,000 of member funds as part of ''Project Pittsburgh'', described as a secret strategy to have his PLC board re-elected at the 2009 elections.

The Sun-Herald has obtained Spagnolo's 2010 letter which claims that ''improper'' dealings were revealed by the club's chief investigator, Jude Findlay.

''Whilst there is no issue with developing a team or strategy to seek re-election, what was improper about this particular project was the fact that it was put together using the club's then executive team and other leagues club resources,'' Spagnolo wrote.

''In particular, the executive team, and some other staff, determined to influence the electoral process of the membership in its endeavours to favour a particular electoral ticket, namely Team PLC …

''Project Pittsburgh, on our best estimate [on information available to date] has cost your club, that is you, the members, in excess of $100,000. It should also be noted that members of the "Team PLC" ticket have, in the opinion of your board, an exposure in this regard as well. It is likely that the club will take proceedings to recover the resources of the club inappropriately spent.''

Spagnolo's letter claims the 3P board, which ousted Fitzgerald after 30 years at the helm of the club, initially only instructed Findlay to investigate the ''Tingha Palace affair'', in which Asian Leagues Club members allegedly received a $30 meal voucher and a letter in Mandarin encouraging them to re-elect Team PLC. However, the letter states that Fitzgerald refused to front the new board about the ''additional inappropriate practices [which] came to light''. The matter is now before the Supreme Court of NSW.

Fitzgerald told The Sun-Herald: ''It's absolute desperation from Spagnolo and his dysfunctional board and management.

''Many of the issues [raised] are still before the court and I'm not at liberty to say anything further, except that I'll be forwarding this letter to my lawyers first thing on Monday morning.''

The letter claims that investigation and legal costs have totalled $300,000 to June 30.
LOL, wonder if Fitzy got that phrase from here or if he is feeding it onto here :D
 

strider

Post Whore
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79,072
Spagnolo has penned an explosive letter - obtained by The Sun-Herald - that will be distributed to Parramatta members this week.
did they go to the parraleagues website too? :lol:

tbh, just stating that Ando approached them about an extension doesn't explain everything .... most people's concerns are that he was a dead man walking well before that .... what's in that report is more the "how he came to be terminated" .... we are to believe what came out of the review is the actual reasons why he was terminated - unless we were to see the review and see that it was scathing on him as a coach then we don't really know "why" he was terminated
 
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Gronk

Moderator
Staff member
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PARRAMATTA chairman Roy Spagnolo has gone to extraordinary lengths to explain why the club sacked coach Daniel Anderson.

Spagnolo has written a 12-page report, delving into Anderson's dealings with certain players and telling club members why Parramatta parted company with a number of senior and long-serving staff members.
The explosive document, sent to every club member and posted on the leagues club's website last Friday, lifts the lid on more than 18 months of turmoil at the club.
In the report, which is expected to reach around 50,000 leagues club and football club members, Spagnolo claims:
That Anderson, who was dumped last week with a year still remaining on his contract for rookie coach Stephen Kearney, was responsible for not re-signing Krisnan Inu, Feleti Mateo and Kris Keating;

That it was Anderson and CEO Paul Osborne's decision to lure controversial signings Carl Webb and Reni Maitua to the Eels for next season;
Why the club forked out $130,000 for chief investigator Jude Findlay to undertake a full review of the organisational structure of the club;
Why nine employees, including former player and chief operating officer John Kolc, former general manager Andrew Hill and former acting chief executive Tullio Cofrancesco all had their contracts terminated;
And how since taking over from former CEO Denis Fitzgerald the Parramatta club has allegedly turned an $8.7 million loss in 2008 into an expected $2.1 million profit by the end of 2010.
In what is hardly a ringing endorsement for new arrivals Webb and Maitua, Spagnolo makes a point of saying Anderson was responsible for the signings.
READ THE DOCUMENT HERE
"Contrary to some media reports, it should be noted and made very clear that the purchase of the following two players [Webb and Maitua] was negotiated by Daniel Anderson and [chief executive] Paul Osborne, and at no time was there any board involvement.
"Further to the above, it was Daniel Anderson's decision not to renew the contracts of the following players, Feleti Mateo, Krisnan Inu and Kris Keating.
"At no time was there any board interference."
Spagnolo concluded the report by applauding the signing of Kearney.
"We are excited at having secured Stephen's services," Spagnolo writes.
"The structure, discipline and enthusiasm he presented to the board about how he will run the football club, from the juniors right through to the first-grade team, was really uplifting.
"He gave us confidence that our football team will be a force to be reckoned with and we believe this is something you will be happy to hear.
"The feedback already received from both the coaching staff and players about Stephen joining us is one of immense enthusiasm and excitement.
"This did not come as a surprise to us as Stephen is held in a very high regard by Wayne Bennett."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...ua-and-carl-webb/story-e6frfgbo-1225936567578
 

eels81236

Bench
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I don't hate Fitzgerald, my judgement is not clouded. My posts are the very same as some of the posters who are anti the 3P board. It seems that they can make up bullsh*t but when bullsh*t comes back at them using their own tactics it bothers them.

TBH I could not give a flying f**k about politics. I care more about the actual footy. But What irks me is some of the bullsh*t that is being made up. I have conceded before that the current board is not perfect.... WHO IS?

I want to ask you ...... Our last board lost millions ( 12 million) on Parra Power soccer team, WHERE WAS THE OUTRAGE then? Not much was said back then. Now compare the reaction to the current board because a coach got sacked. How does that make sense?



3P are in now. They have been for 18 months. The last election was about 3P v Fitzy. It shouldn't be this time around, IMO. That race has been run and won.

Many posters on here can praise the good things 3P have done yet still criticise the things that have done poorly without DF coming into the thought process. Most posters can critique the board without the resultant be all and end all statement being "Oh well, they are better than the last mob". Most posters have moved on from that being their primary focus.

Oh and BTW... I dont think I've read a comment from anyone saying that they want Fitzy back, myself included.
 

eels81236

Bench
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Deserves what she gets that woman that emailed stuff to her hubby. I'd have punted her on the spot too.
 

Gronk

Moderator
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3P are in now. They have been for 18 months. The last election was about 3P v Fitzy. It shouldn't be this time around, IMO. That race has been run and won.

Many posters on here can praise the good things 3P have done yet still criticise the things that have done poorly without DF coming into the thought process. Most posters can critique the board without the resultant be all and end all statement being "Oh well, they are better than the last mob". Most posters have moved on from that being their primary focus.

Oh and BTW... I dont think I've read a comment from anyone saying that they want Fitzy back, myself included.
It's frustrating that many here spend their time pigeon-holing others rather than participation in dialogue. Taking gutless pot shots from the bleachers and then running away always without providing anything of substance to the debate.

Then there are those who simply claim that they know people from the inner sanctum and (therefore) the rest have no idea. Again, they add nothing to the debate, just that they know stuff and you don't.
 

Tony Bongo

Bench
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Just on that point, Gronk, and this is not indicative of my view of the Report as a whole...

Team PLC is singled out by the Board (our Board? haha) for Pittsburgh because they believe, in addition of course to the money issue, the involvement of employees of the Club, in Club time, at Club expense, whilst on the Club payroll is unlawful and in breach of provisions of the Registered Clubs Act and not in the interests of members.

Considering this Report is obviously a propaganda piece (not necessarily a negative comment on my behalf but instead just an observation) then wouldn't it come under the same heading? Involves Club employees, in Club time, on Club payroll and at Club expense?

Sure, there's a significant difference when dealing with the overall costs relating to this Report as opposed to Pittsburgh but when dealing with probity (as Gronk has mentioned) dollars mean absolutely nothing.

You cannot launch a public attack on the ethics and lawfulness of your enemy when that attack itself breaches the same guidelines.

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Also, this is clearly a propaganda piece, for those who would seek to object to my above comment. I've been trained to deconstruct and analyse texts and I'm ridiculously good at it.

The standout word from the Report that indicates this is the oft-repeated "your" in relation to "your Board" (as opposed to, say, "the Board"). The purpose of this word is to link you emotionally to the Board and subversively instill within your thoughts a belief that you are inately connected to them and they are undoubtedly working in your best interests.

Thus when the term "your Board" is used (and it isn't always) the desired effect is that the surrounding material is taken in with a positive outlook and incorporated into your own point of view.

So, when is "your Board" used as opposed to "the Board"?

Thel;argest recurring use is within the phrase "in the opinion of your Board", which came up three times. Not once is the term "in the opinion of the Board" used.

When talking about how Pittsburgh was not disclosed to "your Board" (meaning you), which has two usages.

When adressing the negative outlook on previous construction matters, "your Board" became aware of their waste.

Discussing how "your Board" set out to bring the Club back to profitability (the figures used to justify this have already been questioned in this thread).

In essence, any time there was either an emotional element or a grey area within the Report, the usage of the term "your Board" starts popping up. The whole point is to have you become emotionally attached to the information being presented before you so that you incorporate it into your own opinion.

Now, I'm not stating any positive or negative opinion in relation to this. I'm only saying one thing - this is undoubtedly a propaganda piece designed to begin the push towards the election. It is election material.

Now, there's plenty of interesting stuff in there which I will address in a later post. There's also other questions I have in relation to the material presented. This, however, was one of the first things to jump out at me as I read the Report and it kept coming up again and again as I went through it. After reading Gronk's post above, I thought I'd point this out to start with before coming back and addressing other aspects which I can hopefully do tomorrow.

Remember, this is what I am trained to do and I do it very well, so I know what I'm talking about.

I am most certainly not trained to make such an analysis but it was glaringly apparent to me that this was a propaganda piece. I would like to have seen it a bit more balanced and not omit certain details such as the attempted recruitment of Quade Cooper for one which had nothing to do with DA. Oh and how about Pricey saying on the Matty Johns show that Ossie was visiting Kearney in Melbourne because they're friends.I had to laugh at that in hindsight.
I am glad to see however that certain things are now on record and Ray Hadley's ramblings have been put to the sword. If this remains unchallenged by DA then it is my opinion that there has been agenda to falsely accuse and in turn destabilize the current administration. Many of 'the leaks' then in turn come into question. Which have been the most detrimental to our clubs image? I would say the ones that have now been put on record as being incorrect and false. In particular the signing of Reni Maitua and Carl Webb which had many fingers pointing at THE Board crying interference.
 

eels81236

Bench
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I couldn't help but come back to this...

NO REINSTATEMENT AFTER 33 YEARS OF UNBLEMISHED RECORD
The employee commenced work with the employer as a waitress in 1976 and worked her way up to become catering manager.
The employer conducted an investigation regarding employee involvement in board elections and found that the catering manager had e-mailed confidential documents including department reports, profit and loss figures, stock data, monthly sales comparisons and trading analysis for each venue.

As posted earlier by BAE(?).

Who does that? What the hell was she thinking? I don't care if she had been there 33 years or 33 minutes she deserved to be out on her arse.

I'd imagine she'll find it tough to find employment as it is due to her age (assumed age due to length of service) let alone having this on her record. I know that she would have zero chance of me hiring her. :x

People amaze me sometimes.
 

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