2012 NSW soo side..

[RWB]

Im sick of rep teams picking backrowers in the centres to try and "contain" the likes of Inglis and Hodges. It has failed for both NSW and NZ in the past and I have no faith that it will suddenly start being effective this year

"You'll always get what you've always got if you always do what you've always done"

New Zealand won the 2008 World Cup and the 2010 Four Nations with Simon Mannering in the centres. I'd hardly call that failure, in fact it was an amazing success for a nation that doesn't have anywhere near the player pool of Australia to select from.

If you're referring to Lewis Brown, well that was always going to be a failure. Brown had always struggled defensively at club level in the centres and he certainly didn't have the experience of playing a fair amount of games there. It was a ridiculous selection.

As for your quote does that refer to picking average defensive players to match up against Inglis and him continuing the status quo of averaging a try a game?

 

[timka4]

Lewis could work, they probably did pick one of the worst back rowers to place in the centres in Beau Scott. Not acceleration and almost no attacking flair, not that he doesn't cart the ball up well. But I guess at least Lewis has some foot work and experience out in the wings.
But I still thinked I'd prefer Hayne or a centre playing in right centre

 

[Allstar Knights]

I reckon Inglis mainly had it so easy, was because NSW decided to pick midget wingers on his side. They were easily palmed off/ran over, whereas now he's not going to have it so easy with a 100kg Uate there to help, too.

 

[sputneek]

Inglis is a fat turd and nothing to worry about.

 

[Ladmate]

Inglis is a fat turd and nothing to worry about.

He's the most overpaid, overrated and underperforming club footballer but he is always QLD's best against us.

 

[sputneek]

He's the most overpaid, overrated and underperforming club footballer but he is always QLD's best against us.

The thing with Inglis is that you know he's not going to let Queensland down and probably bag a try or two in each game through his brillance or simply the sheer intimidation factor that he possesses. The only way to counter it is through prolific tryscorers of our own like Uate, and NSW should not be hesitant to do something over and over if it works. QLD know that going to Inglis is pretty much a guaranteed try eventually and we have to find the same players to deliver the same results rather than selecting players like Beau Scott simply to defend against Inglis (and fail horribly doing so).

 

[Big Pete]

RWB loves his defensive players. It's refreshing to see in an era where people go ape s**t over Benji, Mateo, Jennings and the like.

But I wouldn't pick a defensive centre just because of Inglis. I'd entertain the idea if there were injuries or balance issues (eg. protection) but otherwise you go with the best all-round candidate.

Also, I don't think the Kiwis won the 2008 World Cup on the back of Mannering rather a couple of Kangaroo brain snaps and a dominant forward performance ensured them victory.

 

[Spanner in the works]

Posted this elsewhere but:

1. Dugan
2. Hayne
3. Jennings
4. Lawrence
5. Uate
6. Campese/Carney/Soward/Mullen
7. Pearce
8. Gallen
9. Gidley
10. Tolman
11. Scott
12. Lewis
13. Fensom

14. TLL/Sims
15. Snowden/Mannah
16. Watmough
17. Bird

Halves:
Unsure of the 5/8 position. I'd like us to stick with the incumbent, but have a little question mark over Soward now that Bennett has gone. Carney is a great player no doubt, and has that combination with Pearce, but he is a basket case. In form he is practically the first player picked. Love Campo but he is another question mark. Injury ravaged season and will be interesting to see if he can get back to his best plus stay on the field. Mullen is hit, miss, hit, miss, hit, miss. He needs consistency. Would be happy with any of the four. Oddly enough, our depth looks great, it's just that our consistency looks woeful.

Hooker:
Gidley played really well last year. He finally seemed at ease with his role in the side. Just beats Farah. He hasn't played great this season, and has a lot to do to get the number 9. f**k Ennis. Too many penalties and brain explosions, not enough creativity.

Backs:
I think they are the best 5 backs available. Stewart very unlucky to miss out. Hope Gordon comes back from injury fully fit. Great depth then. There's an argument for any 7 of them to be in the side.

Forwards:
Fensom. Queensland style player. Huge workrate, does all the little things, boring as shit. Perfect for Origin. Tolman. Queensland style player. Huge workrate, does all the little things, boring as shit. Perfect for Origin. f**k the flair in the forwards - we only need one or two players to provide that. Watmough and Lewis have that well covered. We need a pack that can do the tough stuff and stick around for that bit longer. Gallen, Tolman and Fensom do that. Queensland kills us every year with a pack like that. After last years series, the one big thing I came away thinking was that we needed one or two less "exciting" forwards and one or two more tough forwards.

The rest of the pack is pretty self-explanatory. Snowden and Mannah to fight for a bench spot, TLL to regain his spot (we missed him) and Watmough to provide some spark.

Utility:
Bird. Always good in Origin. Plays like a Queensland player. Can cover the backrow, halves and hooker if needed.

 

[sputneek]

Replace the Raiders with the Sea Eagle equivalents and I'd support that side.

 

[watatank]

RWB loves his defensive players. It's refreshing to see in an era where people go ape s**t over Benji, Mateo, Jennings and the like.

But I wouldn't pick a defensive centre just because of Inglis. I'd entertain the idea if there were injuries or balance issues (eg. protection) but otherwise you go with the best all-round candidate.

Also, I don't think the Kiwis won the 2008 World Cup on the back of Mannering rather a couple of Kangaroo brain snaps and a dominant victory ensured victory for them.

True but you could say that QLD win on the back of a few NSW errors, most of them involving them shitting themselves whenever the ball goes Inglis' way

 

[Big Pete]

I wouldn't say most - I'd say their biggest issues have revolved around their inept spine formations.

 

[Murf]

Inglis turns up three times a year, unfortunately they are the three games where you want him to stay at KFC.

 

[Joker's Wild]

New Zealand won the 2008 World Cup and the 2010 Four Nations with Simon Mannering in the centres. I'd hardly call that failure, in fact it was an amazing success for a nation that doesn't have anywhere near the player pool of Australia to select from.

If you're referring to Lewis Brown, well that was always going to be a failure. Brown had always struggled defensively at club level in the centres and he certainly didn't have the experience of playing a fair amount of games there. It was a ridiculous selection.

As for your quote does that refer to picking average defensive players to match up against Inglis and him continuing the status quo of averaging a try a

Oh comon, Nz won the '08 WC not because Manning did such a great job of defending GI but due to some appalling brain snaps from Slater and some other crap selections in the outside backs. Same again in '10, made even worse by the fact that Inglis and Hodges were both missing.

Im all for having good defenders outwide but not at the detriment to the attack.

 

[Minotaur]

My 2 cents are:

1. Hayne
2. Uate
3. Jennings
4. Lawrence
5. Gordon
6. Carney
7. Pearce
8. Gallen
9. Farah
10. Galloway
11. Lewis
12. Watmough
13. Bird

14. T.Williams
15. Mannah
16. TLL
17. Gidley

 

[Phil McGrawhan]

My 2 cents are:

1. Hayne
2. Uate
3. Jennings
4. Lawrence
5. Gordon
6. Carney
7. Pearce
8. Gallen
9. Farah
10. Galloway
11. Lewis
12. Watmough
13. Bird

14. T.Williams
15. Mannah
16. TLL
17. Gidley

There is the reason why NSW are in trouble..How on Earth he keeps getting picked is astounding.

 

[Joker's Wild]

Who is a better halfback though?

 

[Minotaur]

There is the reason why NSW are in trouble..How on Earth he keeps getting picked is astounding.

The reason I have picked Pearce is because I have also picked other playmakers with the ability to spark our attack. Carney, Farah and Hayne can all be dangerous playmakers. All I would expect of Pearce is to defend well, organise the plays, provide a penetrating kicking game and to give early ball to our outside backs.

There is no other halfback really standing up to demand a crack at origin for us.

 

[goosie]

My 2 cents are:

1. Hayne
2. Uate
3. Jennings
4. Lawrence
5. Gordon
6. Carney
7. Pearce
8. Gallen
9. Farah
10. Galloway
11. Lewis
12. Watmough
13. Bird

14. T.Williams
15. Mannah
16. TLL
17. Gidley

nice team

 

[RWB]

I reckon Inglis mainly had it so easy, was because NSW decided to pick midget wingers on his side. They were easily palmed off/ran over, whereas now he's not going to have it so easy with a 100kg Uate there to help, too.

Uate still gets caught way too far in field, size is irrelevant if you can't read the play. Here's hopping Bennett has really worked on it.

 

[RWB]

Oh comon, Nz won the '08 WC not because Manning did such a great job of defending GI but due to some appalling brain snaps from Slater and some other crap selections in the outside backs. Same again in '10, made even worse by the fact that Inglis and Hodges were both missing.

Im all for having good defenders outwide but not at the detriment to the attack.

I never said it was the reason they succeeded, I just disagreed with you when you said it was a failure. I'm not sure how you measured that but results wise an underdog nation won two major comps so I'd hardly consider it a failure.

Why is Lewis or Aubusson detriment to the attack... Lewis is a great ball player and runs great overs and unders, Aubusson the same without being as good a ball player. I mean only last season Aubusson made 16 linebreaks, that's a good season in attack for any centre, not to mention doing that with the fatigue of making 40 tackles a game.