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2012 NSW soo side..

watatank

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or Campese have to be there if we're any chance.

Unfortunately like Fensom he wasn't named in the emerging squad which gives you feeling he wont be featuring this year.

Or, like Chris Lawrence will make his Origin debut
 

RWB

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Or, like Chris Lawrence will make his Origin debut

Possibly, although you'd think the emerging squad would have been the perfect way to bring him in.

Stuart did say last year that he would have been his first choice if fit so maybe I'm reading too much into the emerging squad.
 

Joker's Wild

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:lol: Don't know how I forgot this year. However in 2007 he was marked up against Jamie Lyon not Hodges... taking the totally non relevant statistic to 33%. 33% is probably in line with New Zealand's overall winning percentage against Australia if not up.

As for Lewis Brown I already mentioned he's not really relevant to this argument of backrowers who have played a significant part of their careers in the centres and have great defensive records.

Again winning percentages mean little though imo, no one teams results are soley based on one player... it's a ridiculous argument.
lol well its only silly too you mate because you've been shown to be wrong, even though you were the one who brought up the subject of %s


I still don't see how linebreaks would be harder in the centres than in the second row... not that it's relevant anyway Aubusson has a great strike rate at centre too. Running in between a second rower and a halfback in logic is the same as running between a halfback and a centre... you do understand the concept of running overs and unders don't you?

Neither Jennings nor Lawrence are noted for setting up their outside men, in fact I'd argue that Lewis would be better at ball playing and setting up tries for his outside man than either of them.

Yeah mate I understand them. I also understand the concept of an overlap, inside links and advantage match ups too. All concepts that wide running 2nd rowers use. Your right though, its not relevant because we are talking about playing in the centres not the backrow, two very different positions.

FTW mate, Lawrence is very good at setting up his outside man but Id personally want to play Hayne at right centre anyway. You can stick to picking backrowers in the centres if you want but if you take a look at the vast majority of teams in this and other similar threads, you'll notice that pretty much everyone agrees that backrowers should just be played in the backrow.
 

1 Eyed TEZZA

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Ive said it once, and ill say it 100 more times... NSW is kidding themselves if they dont seriously consider starting Fensom at lock. He's the state's best lock forward outside of P.Gallen, who will rightfully play prop

Erm. Glen Stewart? Id even have Greg Bird ahead of Fensom.
 

Joker's Wild

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Bird is much like GI in that he often puts in so-so performances at club level but grows another leg when he pulls on a SOO jumper.

I like Fensom as a player but he really doesnt offer anything that the NSW team lacks really. We already have hard working backrowers in Scott, Lewis and Gallen. What we need is spark
 

timka4

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Fensom will be there in 2-3 years, well he should be there anyway if he keeps his form up. He is definitely a player who could be our lock for 5-10 years if his form persists over the years and injuries are kind.
 

RWB

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lol well its only silly too you mate because you've been shown to be wrong, even though you were the one who brought up the subject of %s

Have I been shown to be wrong? I'll amuse the idea that winning percentages matter, New Zealand's winning percentage against Australia is just a tick over 20%, with Mannering in the centres it's 33%.

And I was never the first to bring up percentages you continually asked 1 out of how many? And when I finally answered it I even said I disagreed with the concept that there was any major link between winning games and individual performances.

So please tell me how it has been a failure if not for winning percentages which hold very little relevance and have proven in my favour...

Yeah mate I understand them. I also understand the concept of an overlap, inside links and advantage match ups too. All concepts that wide running 2nd rowers use. Your right though, its not relevant because we are talking about playing in the centres not the backrow, two very different positions.

FTW mate, Lawrence is very good at setting up his outside man but Id personally want to play Hayne at right centre anyway. You can stick to picking backrowers in the centres if you want but if you take a look at the vast majority of teams in this and other similar threads, you'll notice that pretty much everyone agrees that backrowers should just be played in the backrow.

FTW?

Hayne has played one game at centre in his career, how does this not contradict your argument that Lewis and Aubusson don't know how to play in the centres because they're backrowers despite having played far more games in the centres than Hayne.

Of course I'll stick to what I believe in, thanks Mum?

If I was affected by everyone else's opinion I wouldn't have even made this point to begin with as I'm well aware it's not a popular one. My objective isn't to convince anyone it's just to state what I believe, god forbid someone has a different opinion to the popular one on a forum.
 

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Erm. Glen Stewart? Id even have Greg Bird ahead of Fensom.

Glen Stewart has been pretty average in his origin performances to date and Bird is better suited to the second row imo. Bird is just about the first player picked for NSW tbh.
 

Big Pete

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Hayne has played more than one game at centre. I remember him playing their around 2008 but he wasn't very good. He played well for NSW in 2011 in a game that was already lost against a one legged Hodges.

Stewart hasn't impressed me at rep. either. I think he's the sort of player who plays well in a side that compliments his game rather than somebody who can come into a side and help out. I thought Beau Scott was a far better inclusion than Stewart and he was sorely missed in Origin 3.

Fensom has serious potential. If he can take his game to another level then you'd be silly not to include him.
 

Joker's Wild

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Have I been shown to be wrong? I'll amuse the idea that winning percentages matter, New Zealand's winning percentage against Australia is just a tick over 20%, with Mannering in the centres it's 33%.

And I was never the first to bring up percentages you continually asked 1 out of how many? And when I finally answered it I even said I disagreed with the concept that there was any major link between winning games and individual performances.

So please tell me how it has been a failure if not for winning percentages which hold very little relevance and have proven in my favour...

You claimed it was 100% success rate with him in the centres against Inglis, you were wrong.



Clearly I meant BTW here mate. I mistyped

Hayne has played one game at centre in his career, how does this not contradict your argument that Lewis and Aubusson don't know how to play in the centres because they're backrowers despite having played far more games in the centres than Hayne.

Haynes is not a backrower, that's how it differs mate. Jarrod has proven he can play well outwide in any position at rep level and that's why he gets the nod from me. Lewis has been there before too but it was many moons ago and he is a different style player these days, with far less pace and more bulk.
Of course I'll stick to what I believe in, thanks Mum?

If I was affected by everyone else's opinion I wouldn't have even made this point to begin with as I'm well aware it's not a popular one. My objective isn't to convince anyone it's just to state what I believe, god forbid someone has a different opinion to the popular one on a forum.

Im not saying you cant have a differing opinion mate. I however happen to disagree with it and have pointed out why. Dont post it here if you dont like someone disagreeing with you princess
 

jbl31649

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Glen Stewart has been pretty average in his origin performances to date and Bird is better suited to the second row imo. Bird is just about the first player picked for NSW tbh.

Hayne has played more than one game at centre. I remember him playing their around 2008 but he wasn't very good. He played well for NSW in 2011 in a game that was already lost against a one legged Hodges.

Stewart hasn't impressed me at rep. either. I think he's the sort of player who plays well in a side that compliments his game rather than somebody who can come into a side and help out. I thought Beau Scott was a far better inclusion than Stewart and he was sorely missed in Origin 3.

Fensom has serious potential. If he can take his game to another level then you'd be silly not to include him.

This probbaly sounds silly, but if they select Glen then they need to select Brett aswell (and vise versa). They seem to be at their best for Manly when they are both playing.

I also think it is difficult for someone like Glen to get comfortable with a bunch of different players for 3 matches. Unlike Watmough you simple ask him to do straight hit-ups and tackle, Glen likes to get into ball playing.

That takes time for other players to get use to moving with him, rather then watching and then reacting.

It was hard to judge Bird last year, as his team didn't offer him much. It really depends on what you want in attack. Bird is good at running at gaps an creating second phase (shown in game 1, 2011 that lead to a try), whereas Glen moves sideways shaping to pass or get on the outside and run. Thats why if feel they should pick 25-30 and see who gels the best.

Good headache though.

As for Hayne I believe he played centre early on in his career, but he is more experienced now and has a good offload that would compliment Uate on the edges or support play on the inside.

I'd like to see him try short kicks over the top for Uate.
 

gUt

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My team

1. B Stewart
2. Gordon
3. Lawrence
4. Hayne
5. Uate
6. Soward
7. Maloney
8. Gallen
9. Hinchcliffe
10. Galloway
11. Watmough
12. G Stewart
13. Lewis

14. TLL
15. Mannah
16. Bird
17. Farah
 

jbl31649

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My team

1. B Stewart
2. Gordon
3. Lawrence
4. Hayne
5. Uate
6. Soward
7. Maloney
8. Gallen
9. Hinchcliffe
10. Galloway
11. Watmough
12. G Stewart
13. Lewis

14. TLL
15. Mannah
16. Bird
17. Farah

that was pretty much my side from last year. Except I had farah starting and Hincliffe on the bench. I do see the logic though, start Ryan, his a good defender, then bring on Farah.

We then have Ryan as an extra 2nd rower aswell and he could probably fill centre if in-game injuries arise. However, we know Sticky has a hard on for G-G-G Gidiup Gidley.

Like the side though would be happy to see it in May.
 

God-King Dean

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Ive said it once, and ill say it 100 more times... NSW is kidding themselves if they dont seriously consider starting Fensom at lock. He's the state's best lock forward outside of P.Gallen, who will rightfully play prop

Oh gawd, it's gonna be Alan Tongue all over again :lol:
 
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Early days, but I'm picking all these guys to have good seasons:

1. Josh Dugan
2. Michael Gordon
3. Michael Jennings
4. Chris Lawrence
5. Akuila Uate
6. Terry Campese
7. Todd Carney
8. Paul Gallen (c)
9. Danny Buderus (I have no doubt he'll be there. NSW hooker stocks are low)
10. Tom Learoyd-Lahrs
11. Luke Lewis
12. Glenn Stewart
13. Shaun Fensom

14. Ryan Hinchcliffe
15. Tony Williams
16. Keith Galloway
17. Anthony Watmough

18. Tariq Sims

^Maybe i'm a prop short on the bench, but Gallen will play big minutes and Williams is big enough to slot in there for a lil bit.
 
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Vic Mackey

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Ive said it once, and ill say it 100 more times... NSW is kidding themselves if they dont seriously consider starting Fensom at lock. He's the state's best lock forward outside of P.Gallen, who will rightfully play prop

fensom is a good player but who do you leave out?

lewis, stewart, scott, watmough, bird and t.williams are all better players then him. hell id also throw in mateo and t.simms ahead of him

as much as stuart would love to pick 17 back rowers you just cant
 

RWB

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You claimed it was 100% success rate with him in the centres against Inglis, you were wrong.

I said to my recollection, that's not fact. I was wrong no shame in admitting that in fact I even laughed at myself for forgetting the game this year, there was no denying it from my end. Anyway the argument was about how successful second rowers are playing in the centres not about how accurate my recollections are, argue the point.

Haynes is not a backrower, that's how it differs mate. Jarrod has proven he can play well outwide in any position at rep level and that's why he gets the nod from me. Lewis has been there before too but it was many moons ago and he is a different style player these days, with far less pace and more bulk.

I don't really have any problems with Hayne playing at left centre given he was surprisingly good in game 3 there but to put him up against Inglis is a whole different story. Whilst showing he can attack in almost any position in the backline it's his defence that's the massive worry, unfortunately wherever he has defended he's always had trouble there's no reason to suggest he'll be any better in the centres.

Im not saying you cant have a differing opinion mate. I however happen to disagree with it and have pointed out why. Dont post it here if you dont like someone disagreeing with you princess

Not at all, I never said I had a problem with anyone disagreeing with me... in fact I enjoy to hear others opinions. I just find you referring to what everyone else agrees on as a real self assurance check like you have some sort of insecurity about your opinion and its truth, like you needed to be validated in your beliefs. I was just saying if it was an attempt to make me feel wrong because it's not the 'popular opinion' then that has never been my objective and it doesn't affect me at all.
 

RWB

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My team atm

1. Stewart
2. Uate
3. Lews
4. Hayne/Jennings
5. Gordon
6. Carney/Campese
7. Pearce
8. Gallen
9. Farah
10. Tolman
11. Scott
12. Bird
13. Fensom

14. TLL
15. Mannah/Douglas/Sims
16. Watmough
17. Gidley

Buderus could come into contention however I just can't see it happening. It would be awesome though.
 
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