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2016 Restructuring

MKEB...

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Few thoughts...main one being that Morgan is a superb get. In fact I'd happily swap him for head coach tomorrow. Liked him a lot as a player, did great things with Hull, has worked under Bellamy etc. The Storm's D was 2nd best in 2015 so he is as well placed as anyone to sort us out. Great, great bit of business. Will be interesting as to the working relationship McFadden has with him, he'll know Morgan will covet that role. And deserves it more.

Tony Iro as recruitment manager bores me to tears. We already had a former Kiwi who was crap at the job. Why do we think Tony is going to be any better? Been a real non entity as an assistant, and as I've said previous any staff member who Kevin Locke likes isn't doing their job right. I thought we had moved past the jobs for the boys crap.

IIRC the teo of them worked together in the raiders system before Elliott was appointed head coach and brought over cappy.
I think they should do well together.
 

Penrose Warrior

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IIRC the teo of them worked together in the raiders system before Elliott was appointed head coach and brought over cappy.
I think they should do well together.

That'll help, no doubt that they've worked together. And I'm sure McFadden had input into Morgan coming.

Just seems an interesting dynamic when you know your assistant coach is possibly more credentialled than you and would be the obvious fit to take over if your results are crap.

Because if we go 1-5, Morgan's in. Just like McFadden was in when Elliott started 2-3.
 

jaseg

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Also interesting would be the dynamic between the two assistants... Webster was Morgan's assistant at Hull KR, wasn't he?
 

shiznit

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Like the appointment of Morgan. Finally someone who will create competition for the head coach spot and keep cappy on his toes.

Question for the more learned.. Who are Dan Floyd and Andrew Webster? Footy operations manager and assistant coach respectively, does anyone know any background on them?

:lol:

That has to be by far the silliest thing I've seen in awhile...

I've heard people talk about the positives that competition brings to your playing roster a million times over nearly every sport.

But this is the first time I've heard of it brought up in a coaching situation...

Competition in most cases is great for your playing group.. It's f**king ridiculous for a coach.

By making a situation competitive... You bring in a level of uncertainty to that situation. You can't have a situation like that for a coach... It isn't fair to anyone.

Creating instability like that just cuts a coach off at the knees before they even start.

There should be no competition for a coach.... If your going to go with a coach you back him 100% and give him the tools to do his job... If not, you f**k him off and bring a new coach... But you never make it a competitive situation.

And I highly doubt Morgan would join the club if this was the case...
 

Iafeta

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One of the Wests Tigers players said that Andrew Webster's U20 team would go up against Mick Potter's NRL team in an opposed session, and the U20 team was drilled to perfection - they knew their game plan, their drills were precise, he was completely showing Potter up.
 

Iafeta

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:lol:

That has to be by far the silliest thing I've seen in awhile...

I've heard people talk about the positives that competition brings to your playing roster a million times over nearly every sport.

But this is the first time I've heard of it brought up in a coaching situation...

Competition in most cases is great for your playing group.. It's f**king ridiculous for a coach.

By making a situation competitive... You bring in a level of uncertainty to that situation. You can't have a situation like that for a coach... It isn't fair to anyone.

Creating instability like that just cuts a coach off at the knees before they even start.

There should be no competition for a coach.... If your going to go with a coach you back him 100% and give hike the tools to do his job... If not, you f**k him off and bring a new coach... But you never make it a competitive situation.

And I highly doubt Morgan would join the club if this was the case...

My fear FWIW, given Morgs and Cappy spent a year together at Canberra, I sincerely hope Morgs is not there as a yes man. After what happened last year, Cappy needs someone who will speak up if one of his ideas could be improved. That doesn't mean you show disunity in front of the players, but certainly you put alternate ideas in place.
 

shiznit

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My fear FWIW, given Morgs and Cappy spent a year together at Canberra, I sincerely hope Morgs is not there as a yes man. After what happened last year, Cappy needs someone who will speak up if one of his ideas could be improved. That doesn't mean you show disunity in front of the players, but certainly you put alternate ideas in place.
There's nothing wrong with having an assistant who can offer a differing opinion...

That's a good thing...

But when you talk competition... Your talking one winner, one loser...

In coaching there can be only one winner... And that's the head coach... He may take the advice of his assistants onboard... But the call stays with him... Which is why his arse is on the line...
 

shiznit

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The problem I really have is that by nature assistants normally don't offer much differing opinions because they are usually involved in the building of the squad and they are usually invested quite heavily in the squad...

So they end up being yes men anyway...

Often if your going to find a useful voice you'll find it from someone on the outside looking in... Like how John Hart used to give advice to Ivan Cleary... Because they take away the bias that working day in and day out with a squad can produce...
 

Fufu Andronez

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:lol:

That has to be by far the silliest thing I've seen in awhile...

I've heard people talk about the positives that competition brings to your playing roster a million times over nearly every sport.

But this is the first time I've heard of it brought up in a coaching situation...

Competition in most cases is great for your playing group.. It's f**king ridiculous for a coach.

By making a situation competitive... You bring in a level of uncertainty to that situation. You can't have a situation like that for a coach... It isn't fair to anyone.

Creating instability like that just cuts a coach off at the knees before they even start.

There should be no competition for a coach.... If your going to go with a coach you back him 100% and give him the tools to do his job... If not, you f**k him off and bring a new coach... But you never make it a competitive situation.

And I highly doubt Morgan would join the club if this was the case...

Really? You've never heard anyone say it's good to have assistant coaches who are capable of taking the head coaches position?

Not sure what way you're looking at it bro but in my opinion having a assistant who could easily be the head coach is a positive. Not just in the transfer of knowledge between the coaches but also in the sense that the head coach knows he isnt cruising it like this year. There was no way he would have been sacked this year and iro or Webster would have taken over.

Look at the successful teams and their head coaching departments in the past few years.

Melbourne - Walters, brown, morgan, kidwell, McGuire , Kearney
Roosters - Cartwright, green, Taylor

I'm sure there are more examples out there both for and against but in my opinion you need to have the balls to surround yourself with the best to get the best results.
 

shiznit

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Have a look at the examples you gave... You proved my point...

When Kearney, Walters, Madge & Kidwell were at Melbourne... There was no competition... There was one way... It was Bellyaches way.

Same with Cartwright when he was at the Roosters... Sticky was headcoach... There was no competition.

There's nothing wrong with having capable assistants... But they need to be assistants... There's only room for one headcoach...

There's a million old sayings that cover it... Too many Chefs spoil the broth... Too many Chiefs not enough Indians...

If Morgan is coming in... He needs to be coming in as his assistant... And if they are going with McFadden they need to give him full control to do his job.
 

JJ

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yep, shiznit is 100% right - those guys all developed into head coaches, but weren't gunning for their bosses job, that's just undermining, toxic stuff... Need a clear leader, just not convinced McFadden is that
 

TheDMC

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Well if Morgan was defensive coach at Melbourne and had a fair bit of control over that (ie was given scope by Bellamy to do his job) then we are definitely onto a winner.

Macfadden just has to let Morgan take control of the defensive coaching and all good.

Pretty sure the All Blacks give their defensive coaches/scrum coaches/attacking coaches near full control.
 

Alan Johnson

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As ridiculous as it may seem, I already feel mildly excited for the beginning of the 2016 season. Of course that will all evaporate when Parramatta or some other crap team beat us by 60 points at Eden Park in the first game of the year.
 

Auckland4ever

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As ridiculous as it may seem, I already feel mildly excited for the beginning of the 2016 season. Of course that will all evaporate when Parramatta or some other crap team beat us by 60 points at Eden Park in the first game of the year.

Its the circle of life as a Warriors supporter: excitement - optimism - disappointment - reality - sadness - repeat (cue theme to the Lion King).

I like the signing - regardless of what transpires, the single fact that there's going to be new input into our defense makes me happy. Even better that it's going to be from a guy who has a decent amount of prior coaching experience and knowledge from close to the best defensive side in the NRL (they conceded 44 fewer tries than we did this season).
 

TheDMC

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I think our squad is a good one (top 6 potentially) BUT only if quality coaching cause there is a lot of potential that needs to be developed and individual weaknesses quickly addressed.

And therein perhaps is why we will likely fail again in 2016.

Bennett could probably make this a top 4 or premiership threat team in no time.

#needasupercoach
 

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Former Warriors coach Tony Iro has won the hotly contested battle to become the club's new recruitment and development manager.

Iro, who was an assistant coach to Andrew McFadden this year, will step out of the tracksuit and into an office to take on a pivotal role in deciding which players the Warriors want to sign, keep, or dump.

Since Dean Bell was pushed out of his role as general manager of football operations in April with 18 months left on his contract, his job has been split among three people.

Warriors managing director Jim Doyle has overseen recruitment, Dan Floyd, the football operations manager, was involved in re-signing players and Duane Mann was responsible for developing youngsters.

Iro will now oversee those tasks and play a key role in the future direction of the club. However, the Warriors insist that this is a new position rather than a replacement for Bell.

According to the job description when it was advertised, under the direction and guidance of Doyle and McFadden, Iro will be expected to design and execute a leading edge talent Identification, recruitment and development programme, to meet the football department's current and future talent requirements across all squads, and across all roles.

It's understood a long list of people applied for the vacancy, including former NRL coaches and people who already had links with the Warriors, but Iro's experience and knowledge of the NRL and rugby league throughout New Zealand won out.

Prior to returning to the Warriors this year, Iro worked for the New Zealand Rugby League as their general manager of high performance, and was also the manager of the Kiwis team.

Iro, who played 25 tests for the Kiwis and made 184 NRL appearances across five different clubs, was the Warriors' first under 20s coach in 2008-2009 before becoming assistant coach of the first grade side from from 2010-2012.

He stepped in as acting head coach when Brian McLennan was sacked in 2012 and was a favourite for the head coaching role later given to Matt Elliott. He moved to the NZRL after Elliott's appointment.

The Warriors will be looking to appoint a new assistant coach next year to replace Iro, while the other assistant, Andrew Webster, is already under contract for 2016.

Meanwhile, although the Warriors players have all completed their end season reviews with Doyle and McFadden, they weren't able to go straight into holiday mode.

All players were given thorough medical tests, measuring fitness, body fat and strength.

The results of these tests will be used as a benchmark to judge what condition the players are in when they return for pre-season training in November.

Doyle and McFadden have made it clear they don't want any repeats of players returning from holiday overweight or out of shape and if anyone does they will be severely disciplined.

Management is concerned there still haven't been enough improvements in the club's culture and Doyle has decided to take a hardline approach on anyone who steps out of line or doesn't measure up to the expected standards.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league...iro-lands-new-recruitment-job-at-the-nrl-club
 
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i love his enthusiasm
but ive read that article twice and the names that stick to me are, hurrell, kata. possibly add manu in their as well and if chad was still here then he would be on that list to. its our outside backs thats the problem. the forwards will bye into this attitude keenly. its the backs that need the work
 

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