2017 NRL Club Membership

[Perth Red]

Sadly the NRL hasnt helped with its sht KO times and TVs instance on dumb scheduling of major games.

 

[taipan]

It hasn't helped, but membership continues to grow year on year.

 

[Raiderdave]

This takes me back to a meeting of Balmain Tigers members in 1993 (PRE SUPER LEAGUE) when the ARL sat us all down and explained that THEY were bringing in a set of criteria that if they were not met, clubs would be kicked out of the comp. One of the key criteria was each club had to average home crowds of 10K. It was as a result of this and at this meeting that Balmain changed theirname to Sydney Tigers and started playing out of Parra Stadium etc. Pretty dark days that were later overshadowed by the SL war.

Seems incredible that over 20 years later and in the context of other codes boasting healthy crowds that the clubs are struggling to beat 10K let alone hit 20K.

what codes are boasting healthy crowds 20 years later ?
the AFL ?
nope , had crowds of about 31K in 1993 ... haven't gone anywhere in 20 years
Super rugby ?
had average australian crowds of 27K in 2004
now its 17K
A League ?
please lol

and you can't compare 1993 to 2016 anyway
in 1993 all bar the friday night game were playing during the day on sat or sun at attendance family friendly times
not , thursday night , friday at 6pm , saturday night , sunday night or monday night like they are these days
its a ridiculous comparison
if we had 1993 kick off times in this day & age then our average would be considerably higher then the 16K it is atm.
we'd have no broadcast revenue , but lots more at games : )

 

[Timmah]

Ah Dave. Continuing your fine tradition of pulling random stats to suit your argument.

 

[Lambretta]

What were the membership numbers 5, 10 years ago?

When Brad Fittler was coach of the Roosters in 2008 / 2009 the club was aiming for 5,000 members
A figure I don't think we reached

 

[Raiderdave]

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immah, post: 11916722, member: 5304"]Ah Dave. Continuing your fine tradition of pulling random stats to suit your argument.
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Ah timmah
Continuing your fine tradition of not having anything to refute them ; )

 

[Timmah]

Your horrible ability to quote properly aside... if you want stats:

The AFL's average crowd in 1993 was 27,903 - a good 3k out from what you claimed. Then you failed to acknowledge there was a spike of about 9,000 more in the period in between - topping out in 2008 and 2010 with just a touch under 37k. Since then their averages have dropped with the introduction of GWS & Gold Coast.

Super Rugby has changed dramatically in the time since you quoted as well - used to have 12 teams, now have 18. As you have suggested - comparing previous eras is hardly something worth doing.

While I agree with you our scheduling could do with plenty of work, I don't necessarily agree that "1993 timeslots" are necessarily family friendly. Participation rates in junior RL continuing to grow means that even more sports-inclined families would probably struggle to attend daytime games. Friday night games continue to pull big crowds, and supposed "family friendly" timeslots like Sat 3pm and Sat 5:30pm aren't very well attended. Sunday arvo can be hit and miss too, despite claims it's the best timeslot.

 

[H.H]

When Brad Fittler was coach of the Roosters in 2008 / 2009 the club was aiming for 5,000 members
A figure I don't think we reached

Yeah we did, but not by much.

2008 to me is when it all really started and awareness was starting to build.

 

[Raiderdave]

Your horrible ability to quote properly aside... if you want stats:

The AFL's average crowd in 1993 was 27,903 - a good 3k out from what you claimed. Then you failed to acknowledge there was a spike of about 9,000 more in the period in between - topping out in 2008 and 2010 with just a touch under 37k. Since then their averages have dropped with the introduction of GWS & Gold Coast.

Super Rugby has changed dramatically in the time since you quoted as well - used to have 12 teams, now have 18. As you have suggested - comparing previous eras is hardly something worth doing.

While I agree with you our scheduling could do with plenty of work, I don't necessarily agree that "1993 timeslots" are necessarily family friendly. Participation rates in junior RL continuing to grow means that even more sports-inclined families would probably struggle to attend daytime games. Friday night games continue to pull big crowds, and supposed "family friendly" timeslots like Sat 3pm and Sat 5:30pm aren't very well attended. Sunday arvo can be hit and miss too, despite claims it's the best timeslot.

double ##

 

[Raiderdave]

Your horrible ability to quote properly aside... if you want stats:

The AFL's average crowd in 1993 was 27,903 - a good 3k out from what you claimed. Then you failed to acknowledge there was a spike of about 9,000 more in the period in between - topping out in 2008 and 2010 with just a touch under 37k. Since then their averages have dropped with the introduction of GWS & Gold Coast.

Super Rugby has changed dramatically in the time since you quoted as well - used to have 12 teams, now have 18. As you have suggested - comparing previous eras is hardly something worth doing.

While I agree with you our scheduling could do with plenty of work, I don't necessarily agree that "1993 timeslots" are necessarily family friendly. Participation rates in junior RL continuing to grow means that even more sports-inclined families would probably struggle to attend daytime games. Friday night games continue to pull big crowds, and supposed "family friendly" timeslots like Sat 3pm and Sat 5:30pm aren't very well attended. Sunday arvo can be hit and miss too, despite claims it's the best timeslot.

the inference was all the " other" codes are experiencing healthy crowds in 2016
when in fact
they aren't , or at least aren't doing any better then the NRLs growth in the same period since 1993
you posted excuses for other codes , RL would have a few too Id think

and I don't agree with if you think we wouldn't have larger crowds with the majority of our games played on weekend afternoons ,mainly sundays.I think we quite obviously would.

 

[Timmah]

Based on what evidence? You specifically said "family friendly" when facts remain that a LOT of families are precluded from weekend afternoons due to sports participation.

Either way I'm of the belief that you can probably find excuses not to attend any fixture for any reason because people in general are sooks.

 

[Raiderdave]

Based on what evidence? You specifically said "family friendly" when facts remain that a LOT of families are precluded from weekend afternoons due to sports participation.

Either way I'm of the belief that you can probably find excuses not to attend any fixture for any reason because people in general are sooks.

I meant fan friendly more so then family
& TBH I have been pleasantly surprised with how solid the 3pm Saturday attendances have been in recent seasons , as i thought the same as you & community sport would see these games with disasterous crowds , hasn't been the case at all.
theres a lot of other factors to dismiss lining up 1993 with 2016 & draw attention to the modest rise in average crowds in this period , the coverage of games for example
all 8 live in some form on TV in 2016 & only a couple in 1993.
As I said , a ridiculous comparison to make

 

[Timmah]

So why did you make the comparison in the first place?

 

[Perth Red]

the inference was all the " other" codes are experiencing healthy crowds in 2016
when in fact
they aren't , or at least aren't doing any better then the NRLs growth in the same period since 1993
you posted excuses for other codes , RL would have a few too Id think

and I don't agree with if you think we wouldn't have larger crowds with the majority of our games played on weekend afternoons ,mainly sundays.I think we quite obviously would.

Afl went from approx 28k in 1993 to a peak of around 36k in 2008 ish to 32k now. An increase of avg 4K a game from 93 to 16
NRL went from approx 13.6k to a peak of around 16.4k in 2010ish down to around 15k now. An increase of around 1.5k from 93-16

It's interesting how both sports have followed a similiar growth then decline pattern. AFL'S is partly due to exoansion clubs with significantly smaller crowds than rest of league.

What are people's opinions on why the NRLs has dropped from its peak around 2010-2012?

 

[Raiderdave]

So why did you make the comparison in the first place?

ahhhhh
i didn't make the comparison dummy

 

[carcharias]

Afl went from approx 28k in 1993 to a peak of around 36k in 2008 ish to 32k now. An increase of avg 4K a game from 93 to 16
NRL went from approx 13.6k to a peak of around 16.4k in 2010ish down to around 15k now. An increase of around 1.5k from 93-16

It's interesting how both sports have followed a similiar growth then decline pattern. AFL'S is partly due to exoansion clubs with significantly smaller crowds than rest of league.

What are people's opinions on why the NRLs has dropped from its peak around 2010-2012?

Well sharks supporter base has grown every year .
maybe you need look into exactly where the numbers have fallen.
Monday night footy maybe...nobody goes to that shit.
When did that come back in?

 

[franklin2323]

Well sharks supporter base has grown every year .
maybe you need look into exactly where the numbers have fallen.
Monday night footy maybe...nobody goes to that shit.
When did that come back in?

As have the Panthers. Memberships are rising it's the general crowds that aren't moving. Different weird timeslots I put that down too

 

[magpie_man]

Tigers have confirmed they've gone above 10,000.

It'll be 10 002 once I get my old man and father-in-law their respective memberships. A lust for disappointment runs deep in our family.

 

[carcharias]

As have the Panthers. Memberships are rising it's the general crowds that aren't moving. Different weird timeslots I put that down too

exactly.
not sure what Perth Red's angle is on this one.
If it is crowd numbers then yeah Monday night footy would take a thousand out ( at least ) every week.
plus well supported teams who aren't performing as well will have a big drop in crowds.
Teams like the Dragons who peaked in 2010 had huge support and were playing more games at home.
They were packing OKI out on Sunday arvo's.
I went to games back then and recently and the joint seems almost empty now compared to 2009 -2010
Maybe the same for the tigers....even souths 2-3-4 years ago.

 

[Timmah]

ahhhhh
i didn't make the comparison dummy

You have the memory of a goldfish.