2017 scheduling

[Perth Red]

Maybe there should be less teams and games Sydney.

Sydney teams should play 10 home games, the two home games on the road in NZ or somewhere they want to build a fanbase. There are too many games in Sydney for the number of fans attending. Make them less but bigger events. Friday night double header at SFS (6:30pm and 8:15pm), Sunday afternoon double header at ANZ. Saturdays and Thursdays at suburban grounds. Every week a game in Brisbane, every week a game in NZ.

 

[Timmah]

No, just calling it as I see it. The absolute die hard fans will compensate for the early start time, but those slightly less committed won't. For example, if you could only get 6,000 odd to a Roosters v Broncos match at the SFS for an 8pm kick-off Thursday night, I dare say you would have gotten a smaller crowd had it been for 6 pm on Friday.

Further, have a read of people from outside who have posted in this thread. Only Marlins has been "positive" about it in Qld. Many others haven't been, especially those in NZ.

p.s.

If you want to talk about travel, when you do a Sydney-Brisbane-Sydney bus trip to watch your team play the Broncos in Brisbane without staying over night, then come talk to me. I've done it. Twice

I'm not sure that your travel schedule makes your opinion any more or less valid.

Also doesn't mean you're right.

I think the 6pm Friday timeslot is certainly a big risk but I'm not going to sit here and take it apart before they've even tried it. Deserves a season of testing and if it fails, can it.

 

[Marlins]

It can't be worse for crowd attendances then Monday night.

 

[Timmah]

Exactly. Friday is already a night fans are accustomed to attending.

 

[Billythekid]

Personally I prefer a 6pm KO than an 8pm one. The games just finish too late. It sucks for people bringing along kids as you don't get home until super late. That plus if you work the next day it again finishes too late. If you like to go out for a drink and stuff after I think an earlier finish could be good as well. You can have a walk to the pub and watch the next game or stay out for some drinks.

No idea how it will affect ratings or crowds but for me I actually like it.

I also think the scheduling of matches is a scape goat for poor crowds. The AFL face the same issues we do (except Monday night) and look at their crowds. I know this forum can't handle a comparison with the AFL but they are our direct competitor and play in the same markets essentially so it's healthy to look at why we're so far behind and what can be done to improve.

 

[Perth Red]

It can't be worse for crowd attendances then Monday night.

It could, it's hard to see how the vast majority of fans can get to a ground for 5.45pm on a Friday to get there for KO, unless majority of NRL fans are unemployed or retired?

 

[Perth Red]

Personally I prefer a 6pm KO than an 8pm one. The games just finish too late. It sucks for people bringing along kids as you don't get home until super late. That plus if you work the next day it again finishes too late. If you like to go out for a drink and stuff after I think an earlier finish could be good as well. You can have a walk to the pub and watch the next game or stay out for some drinks.

No idea how it will affect ratings or crowds but for me I actually like it.

I also think the scheduling of matches is a scape goat for poor crowds. The AFL face the same issues we do (except Monday night) and look at their crowds. I know this forum can't handle a comparison with the AFL but they are our direct competitor and play in the same markets essentially so it's healthy to look at why we're so far behind and what can be done to improve.

Afl don't play on a Monday, Thursday or Friday early evening.

Their schedule this week:
Friday 7.50pm
Saturday 1:45pm, 2:10pm, 4;35pm, 7:25pm, 7:25pm
Sunday 1:10pm, 1:20pm, 4:10pm

6 daytime ko's. No wonder their game is far more appealing to families.

NRL
Thursday 7:50pm
Friday 7:50pm
Saturday 3pm, 5:30pm, 7:30pm
Sunday 2pm, 4pm
Monday 7pm

 

[Timmah]

It could, it's hard to see how the vast majority of fans can get to a ground for 5.45pm on a Friday to get there for KO, unless majority of NRL fans are unemployed or retired?

Utterly ridiculous sweeping assumption.

 

[Captain Apollo]

I'm not sure that your travel schedule makes your opinion any more or less valid.

No. It is about as relevant as this one -

I drive 4 hours 2-4 times a year to watch the cowboys play in Townsville and I'm not even a cowboys fan. You Nswrl fans are just spoiled.

I only posted what I did to show I can make up highly personalised grand standing posts about my commitment like anyone else can.

Ciao.

 

[Timmah]

Wait, you're having a pissing contest with someone else to impress me?

I'm flattered n all, but nah

 

[Captain Apollo]

Wait, you're having a pissing contest with someone else to impress me?

I'm flattered n all, but nah

No, I'm not that into you

I just get peeved when people have ago at me like Marlins did and he cites his travelling schedule as some badge of honour. I was just showing I could make just as irrelevant posts to as a way of saying "don't question my fidelity bud". Anyway, let's get back on topic.

I think the 6pm slot will be a fizzer regardless of which club/s get lumbered with it. AS I also said, it further locks in having 8pm kick-offs for the 2nd game on Friday (if not in fact later). If we are talking about getting people to games as being something we want to see happen, as opposed to no one at the ground and everyone watching it on tv.

 

[Timmah]

He had a go at you but he also articulated his point, which was pretty reasonable IMO.

As for "it locks in 8pm" - on what planet (in this TV age) would kickoff times scale back toward 7:30pm?

 

[Billythekid]

It could, it's hard to see how the vast majority of fans can get to a ground for 5.45pm on a Friday to get there for KO, unless majority of NRL fans are unemployed or retired?

Not everyone works Monday-Friday 9-5 and even then depending on where you work and what city you're on you might still be able to make a 6pm kick off.

For me 6pm is better than an 8pm kickoff though I don't pretend that's at all representative of most people.

Afl don't play on a Monday, Thursday or Friday early evening.

Their schedule this week:
Friday 7.50pm
Saturday 1:45pm, 2:10pm, 4;35pm, 7:25pm, 7:25pm
Sunday 1:10pm, 1:20pm, 4:10pm

6 daytime ko's. No wonder their game is far more appealing to families.

NRL
Thursday 7:50pm
Friday 7:50pm
Saturday 3pm, 5:30pm, 7:30pm
Sunday 2pm, 4pm
Monday 7pm

You can't list Monday and Friday 6pm games for the nrl. We currently only have one and it will go away when we get the other.

Currently Monday and Thursday are the main complaints and as we saw recently with the swans, the AFL can still pull a crowd then.

How do their crowds compare across night and day games anyway? I'm not sure that the games played at night draw that much worse.

Even if you only include Sunday Arvo games we still don't compare favourably.

I don't want to keep taking this off topic but I'm just sick of the schedule being blamed wholesale for people not turning up to games. It's far from perfect but it's not the only reason the NRL's crowds have stagnated and pale next to the AFL.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

The idea of all Warriors games being played in NZ is geniused- what about their Australian fanbase? They've got a lot of expat fans, particularly in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and the GC, and we deserve to get to see them at least a few times a year.
Similarly playing all home games Friday 8pm to suit the AEST 6pm TV timeslot duds the many Warriors fans who drive from outside Aucklamd to attend games, and it would be even worse for games in places such as Wellington or Cristchurch as these draw even more people from surrounding areas who otherwise don't get a chance to attend games. By all means play some (hey half would be quite reasonable) of the home games on Friday, and move a few away games to NZ (3 or 4 is fine) but don't play ALL of them on Friday, remember the Saturday 5:30 timeslot is also mutually advantageous for NZ crowd attendance and TV times, and that NZ fans might also like to watch daytime footy occasionally, particularly in the middle of winter when night games can be wet and freezing.

 

[Diesel]

For those suggesting a 6pm game in Queensland might work, Suncorp has legislation that games can't KO before 7pm on weekdays due to there being a strain on public transport.
I doubt the many people that drive long distances in NQ to see the Cowboys will embrace Friday 6pm, you only have to see Thursday or Friday crowd numbers which are down on Saturday night numbers.
As for the GC, I'm not sure, but anyone leaving from Brisbane to watch a game would need to be on the M1 by 2:30 because it is a car park any later and the trains are filling up like sardines in a can not long after 4pm for the hour and a bit trip down

 

[Timmah]

The idea of all Warriors games being played in NZ is geniused- what about their Australian fanbase? They've got a lot of expat fans, particularly in Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and the GC, and we deserve to get to see them at least a few times a year.
Similarly playing all home games Friday 8pm to suit the AEST 6pm TV timeslot duds the many Warriors fans who drive from outside Aucklamd to attend games, and it would be even worse for games in places such as Wellington or Cristchurch as these draw even more people from surrounding areas who otherwise don't get a chance to attend games. By all means play some (hey half would be quite reasonable) of the home games on Friday, and move a few away games to NZ (3 or 4 is fine) but don't play ALL of them on Friday, remember the Saturday 5:30 timeslot is also mutually advantageous for NZ crowd attendance and TV times, and that NZ fans might also like to watch daytime footy occasionally, particularly in the middle of winter when night games can be wet and freezing.

Wait, who suggested all Warriors games in NZ?

And why would every Australian club want to give up home ground advantage - especially those who count on NZ fans for good crowds (e.g. Storm and Titans).

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Wait, who suggested all Warriors games in NZ?

And why would every Australian club want to give up home ground advantage - especially those who count on NZ fans for good crowds (e.g. Storm and Titans).

Read back through the thread dude, someone (might've been PerthRed) was suggesting all the Aus teams move their home games against the a Warriors to other venues in NZ to "grow the game" and fill the timeslot.

Totally agree with you on both those points- Storm and Titans wouldn't want to give up a good crowd, we pull decently in Brisbane as well, and the big Kiwi contingent in Dydney deserve to keep some games.
And as a Warriors fan I don't want to see us give s perceived advantage if too many games get moved to NZ venues, I want us to succeed on the same terms as anyone else.

 

[Diesel]

And as a Warriors fan I don't want to see us give s perceived advantage if too many games get moved to NZ venues, I want us to succeed on the same terms as anyone else.

Those same terms would be crossing the Tasman 0-1 times a year.

 

[SpaceMonkey]

Those same terms would be crossing the Tasman 0-1 times a year.

Getting us to play all our games in NZ is going too far though, and we'd just get spanked when we eventually had to travel for finals. We do a lot of travel now, but so do the Storm and Cows. And they go alright!

 

[Diesel]

Getting us to play all our games in NZ is going too far though, and we'd just get spanked when we eventually had to travel for finals. We do a lot of travel now, but so do the Storm and Cows. And they go alright!

I agree. I was just pointing out that with the travel the team does their week is disrupted more than any other team.
I wouldn't want the Warriors to play all their games in NZ, because Warriors & RL fans in Australia wouldn't get them to see them play at the ground or TV.
I hope for the Warriors sake they aren't forced to play all home games on a Friday night, it does nothing to lift the profile in NZ when going H2H with Super15, 16, 18??? and playing on Friday night means travelling fans and kids won't get to see them play. 6pm KO's shouldn't be the Warriors problem and I hope Doyle tells Greenberg to stick that scheduled time up his arse