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[Stallion]

it really depends what kind of deal they strike. are they going to get an uplift or remain stable? it feels a little knee-jerk to me on the back of a good ratings season after a poor one last year.

for the NRL - there is no way we should add 4 teams at once. that didn't work in 1995 and it won't work now.

and i am not sure what all this inflation-adjusted pay-scale requirement is. inflation is below 2% and not looking like changing in the short term.

Two additional clubs with another two further on would work well. Remembering the superleague split stuffed up the 20 team comp which was making progress Australia wide.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Two additional clubs with another two further on would work well. Remembering the superleague split stuffed up the 20 team comp which was making progress Australia wide.

How do you propose that we do that in a sustainable way considering that the sport with the highest revenue in the country (AFL) haven't gone beyond 18 teams?

 

[Stallion]

How do you propose that we do that in a sustainable way considering that the sport with the highest revenue in the country (AFL) haven't gone beyond 18 teams?

Two common sense additional consolidation /expansion clubs. Namely Brisbane 2 & Central Coast Bears. If you can't work out that these potential clubs have infrastructure in place and junior ranks. Then you continue to be the "village idiot" you are proving to be!

 

[Perth Red]

How do you propose that we do that in a sustainable way considering that the sport with the highest revenue in the country (AFL) haven't gone beyond 18 teams?

Would require an additional $80mill a year in TV contracts or there about. Plus a war chest for the NRL in case any of the new clubs got in trouble or if any of them needed a boost start up for first few years. People seem to think the TV $'s are going to remain same at best so it will be a tough call for NRL if to divert around $30mill a year to two new clubs from one of its other expenditure areas. Virtually impossible to see them diverting $80mill for four clubs over next few years. We saw with the clubs demanding more money that the first place the NRL cut expenditure was grass roots.

 

[Stallion]

Would require an additional $80mill a year in TV contracts or there about. Plus a war chest for the NRL in case any of the new clubs got in trouble or if any of them needed a boost start up for first few years. People seem to think the TV $'s are going to remain same at best so it will be a tough call for NRL if to divert around $30mill a year to two new clubs from one of its other expenditure areas. Virtually impossible to see them diverting $80mill for four clubs over next few years. We saw with the clubs demanding more money that the first place the NRL cut expenditure was grass roots.

Lol. The strategy would be to phase in two very easy to do "consolidation clubs" Central Coast Bears and Brisbane 2. ((Infrastructure in place along with juniors) Then a further two expansion clubs (namely West Coast Pirates & (Adelaide Dingoes?/Christchurch Devils?) into the future when ready. It's not rocket science. The growth strategy involves consolidation and expansion benefitting and genuinely growing rugby league and this competition. The income for the code would grow and the code can also grow as a more relevant sport.

 

[flippikat]

fox league is increasing viewership for a reason - they are so much better at producing the show.

ch9 should buy andrew voss immediately. then sack warren and gould.

That would be a complete humiliation for ch9, after pushing him right away in the fallout from "Statue-gate".

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Would require an additional $80mill a year in TV contracts or there about. Plus a war chest for the NRL in case any of the new clubs got in trouble or if any of them needed a boost start up for first few years. People seem to think the TV $'s are going to remain same at best so it will be a tough call for NRL if to divert around $30mill a year to two new clubs from one of its other expenditure areas. Virtually impossible to see them diverting $80mill for four clubs over next few years. We saw with the clubs demanding more money that the first place the NRL cut expenditure was grass roots.

Completely agree with these comments. I'll wait for Stallion's insightful and thoughtout response to my question.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

That would be a complete humiliation for ch9, after pushing him right away in the fallout from "Statue-gate".

OT but what is statue-gate? I've always wondered what happened to Vossy at channel 9.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Lol. The strategy would be to phase in two very easy to do "consolidation clubs" Central Coast Bears and Brisbane 2. ((Infrastructure in place along with juniors) Then a further two expansion clubs (namely West Coast Pirates & (Adelaide Dingoes?/Christchurch Devils?) into the future when ready. It's not rocket science. The growth strategy involves consolidation and expansion benefitting and genuinely growing rugby league and this competition. The income for the code would grow and the code can also grow as a more relevant sport.

As @Perth Red was pointing out though. How are you paying for them?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Two common sense additional consolidation /expansion clubs. Namely Brisbane 2 & Central Coast Bears. If you can't work out that these potential clubs have infrastructure in place and junior ranks. Then you continue to be the "village idiot" you are proving to be!

Walk me through your proposed financing of these teams.

 

[Stallion]

Completely agree with these comments. I'll wait for Stallion's insightful and thoughtout response to my question.

Oh yeah. Lol.You fellas know all about the financial intricacies! Don't you!? You village idiots!

 

[Stallion]

As @Perth Red was pointing out though. How are you paying for them?

The clubs will pay for themselves. SponsorshIps, memberships, gate attendances, tv revenue, associated league's club revenue, merchandising and other forms of gaining money. You assume these things are not money making? Understand your ignorance as it's consistent with your flawed outlook for this code and its most noted competition.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

Oh yeah. Lol.You fellas know all about the financial intricacies! Don't you!? You village idiots!

Do you disagree with @Perth Red figures? Or do you not understand them so you just resort to insults?

 

[titoelcolombiano]

The clubs will pay for themselves. SponsorshIps, memberships, gate attendances, tv revenue, associated league's club revenue, merchandising and other forms of gaining money. You assume these things are not money making? Understand your ignorance as it's consistent with your flawed outlook for this code and its most noted competition.

Let's break this down shall we:

Sponsorships, Memberships, gate attendances, leagues club revenue, merchandising are all done by the current clubs and the Broncos are the only club to turn a profit so this can be ruled out.

TV Revenue: As @Perth Red points out, the TV revenue may be the same or even less in 2023 given the current climate so either the existing clubs won't want to share the pie with more mouths and they certainly won't want to receive less just to allow more clubs in. So this one can be ruled out too.

So what's your plan B? You seem to have trouble with the difference between making money and making profit.

 

[Stallion]

Let's break this down shall we:

Sponsorships, Memberships, gate attendances, leagues club revenue, merchandising are all done by the current clubs and the Broncos are the only club to turn a profit so this can be ruled out.

TV Revenue: As @Perth Red points out, the TV revenue may be the same or even less in 2023 given the current climate so either the existing clubs won't want to share the pie with more mouths and they certainly won't want to receive less just to allow more clubs in. So this one can be ruled out too.

So what's your plan B? You seem to have trouble with the difference between making money and making profit.

You are ignoring a basic factor in most sports competitions. Most sports clubs don't run for profit. A profit is a bonus! They exist for the propagation and growth of the relevant code. You are condoning an implosion of this highly regarded competition that is the flagship of rugby league worldwide . You also assume an extra game will not add to the value for tv money? An extra game will add value and fans. You can't see this! ? A true village idiot at play.

 

[Stormwarrior82]

I don’t think 2 consolidation expansions teams is the way to go at all. We have enough consolidation teams in Sydney that haven’t “consolidated” yet after 50yrs. That would be a backwards move.

If we are going to expand we should at least expand one club into a new area. (Perth)

The nrl needs to separate the nrl comp from the SOO, Nines and internationals for the next tv deal. Show that the nrl comp itself with the introduction of a 9th game would deliver similar ratings to the afl meaning a similar tv deal. Their only excuse then would be the difference in numbers of ad breaks.

The nrl also need to make a partnership deal with the news/nine/fox whoever to use nrl media for articles etc. similar to the afl now. And the nrl need to go global with nrlmedia and partner with super league/RLIF.

I also think it would be wise to create there own small production company that can be stationed at the busiest stadium (Bankwest) and can then be sent to SOO, nines, internationals.

With the international calendar finally organized it will be easier to get a increased deal there as well. If the English ratings draw well even without Australia at the end of this year and the WC nines get good ratings the nrl has to expect more.

 

[Stallion]

I don’t think 2 consolidation expansions teams is the way to go at all. We have enough consolidation teams in Sydney that haven’t “consolidated” yet after 50yrs. That would be a backwards move.

If we are going to expand we should at least expand one club into a new area. (Perth)

The nrl needs to separate the nrl comp from the SOO, Nines and internationals for the next tv deal. Show that the nrl comp itself with the introduction of a 9th game would deliver similar ratings to the afl meaning a similar tv deal. Their only excuse then would be the difference in numbers of ad breaks.

The nrl also need to make a partnership deal with the news/nine/fox whoever to use nrl media for articles etc. similar to the afl now. And the nrl need to go global with nrlmedia and partner with super league/RLIF.

I also think it would be wise to create there own small production company that can be stationed at the busiest stadium (Bankwest) and can then be sent to SOO, nines, internationals.

With the international calendar finally organized it will be easier to get a increased deal there as well. If the English ratings draw well even without Australia at the end of this year and the WC nines get good ratings the nrl has to expect more.

Like most of what you have stated. I do still believe their needs to be consolidation /remedial clubs for Brisbane and Northern Sydney/Central Coast. These are not risky additions with infrastructure in place. Further expansion clubs are a positive must do as well : West Coast Pirates, Adelaide Dingoes, @ or Christchurch Devils etc. Just think a win/win for the code in areas that have been underserviced (resulting in lack of continued relevance & rivalries ) is important along with the more ambitious but also doable newer expansion areas.

 

[Perth Red]

Do you disagree with @Perth Red figures? Or do you not understand them so you just resort to insults?

I’m guessing he has no concept that the nrl actually has to pay club grants to these new clubs as well as extra costs of putting on two extra games a weeK? Reality is two new clubs will cost the nrl $30mill a year, two more clubs in say 5 years time when the grant has gone up likely to be an extra $40mill plus on top of that $30mill. Unless there is a healthy increase in tv deal or the nrl digital thing pays off or the nrl diverts funding from elsewhere then there wont be two new clubs, and four new ones in the next decade is an absolute pipe dream.

 

[Perth Red]

I don’t think 2 consolidation expansions teams is the way to go at all. We have enough consolidation teams in Sydney that haven’t “consolidated” yet after 50yrs. That would be a backwards move.

If we are going to expand we should at least expand one club into a new area. (Perth)

The nrl needs to separate the nrl comp from the SOO, Nines and internationals for the next tv deal. Show that the nrl comp itself with the introduction of a 9th game would deliver similar ratings to the afl meaning a similar tv deal. Their only excuse then would be the difference in numbers of ad breaks.

The nrl also need to make a partnership deal with the news/nine/fox whoever to use nrl media for articles etc. similar to the afl now. And the nrl need to go global with nrlmedia and partner with super league/RLIF.

I also think it would be wise to create there own small production company that can be stationed at the busiest stadium (Bankwest) and can then be sent to SOO, nines, internationals.

With the international calendar finally organized it will be easier to get a increased deal there as well. If the English ratings draw well even without Australia at the end of this year and the WC nines get good ratings the nrl has to expect more.

Gosford is never getting a club, bears are never getting back into nrl, if there is ever expansion it will be perth and Brisbane. End of.

 

[flippikat]

OT but what is statue-gate? I've always wondered what happened to Vossy at channel 9.

Basically Voss said a statue of Ray Warren didn't look like him, and Ray Hadley blew up at Voss for the comment. Then Ch9 sided with Hadley & Voss was on the outer from then on.

You can't make this stuff up!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.he...d/news-story/c5844c7b09982272820336663269e26d