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2018-2022 Media Deal $ Value

The_Wookie

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taipan

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The other interesting part of this sky deal is that apparently it involves NZ Rugby taking a 5% stake in Sky.


If as stated NZ Rugby has a financial stake in Sky, that throws a spanner in the works for the NRlLto get a decent deal.
 

flippikat

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If as stated NZ Rugby has a financial stake in Sky, that throws a spanner in the works for the NRlLto get a decent deal.

Exactly.

One would have to think NZ Rugby will say to Sky "Hey.. just bid $x for league. If they take it, great.. keep doing what you're doing (or worse). If they go to Spark Sport for more money, the glitchy technology will drive fans away."

If Spark Sport can lift their technology performance, offer more money than Sky, AND put together a decent free-to-air component via TVNZ (say 1 or 2 live kickoffs per week on FTA), I think the NRL would be very happy.

Spark don't have to do much as far as production goes, since there's only a dozen or so NRL games in NZ per season. For the most part, they just have to relay feeds from Australian channels.

Another part of the puzzle is the prospect of anti-syphoning laws here. The NZ First party have made a few noises about considering some form of anti-syphoning law. It's unlikely that much will actually happen (the horse has pretty much bolted), but it could be good PR for Pay TV operators if they improve the free-to-air arrangements and do something to undermine the anti-syphoning argument. ("This new deal gives free to air the best coverage since 1995!")
 
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Jatz15

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If as stated NZ Rugby has a financial stake in Sky, that throws a spanner in the works for the NRlLto get a decent deal.
5% stake gives them basically no so in operational matters. If they tried to stick their noses into a deal between Sky and NRL, they will be politely told to f**k off.
 

taipan

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5% stake gives them basically no so in operational matters. If they tried to stick their noses into a deal between Sky and NRL, they will be politely told to f**k off.


I hope you are right.

If the deal conflicted with say eventual scheduling union v league, then my suspicious mind says I don't think so.

And yes I understand commercial reality, dictates any company trying to maximise their revenue/profits.

Personally I don't care whether the TV company is owned by a Russian oligarch ,as long as rugby league benefits and is not screwed on the odd occasion..
 

Perth Red

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It’s not like a Murdoch company to favour one code over another lol. We have to get nrl on fta in NZ if we want to grow it. We’ve seen in uk how stunted the game can become if it isn’t shown to the masses.
 

Starkers

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if i owned 5% of something, i wouldn't care what it showed, as long as it made me money. nzru is not a charity.
 

Starkers

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first shot over the bow from v'landys? some kind of perverse warning from ch9? or just time for it to happen?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...-for-next-tv-rights-deal-20191018-p5321o.html

NRL considers in-house production for next TV rights deal

The NRL will consider bringing broadcast production of its matches in-house for the next television rights deal to maximise revenue in a move that would have huge ramifications for its traditional media partners.

The existing deal with Foxtel and Nine Entertainment Co – the publishers of the Herald – doesn’t expire until the end of the 2022 season. However, the governing body is already planning for the next rights negotiations to ensure all options are considered in a rapidly changing media landscape.
The NRL extracted $2 billion from Nine, Foxtel and Telstra to provide coverage of the game over a five-year period, a figure 70 per cent higher than the previous deal. However, changes in technology and viewing habits could result in the value flatlining or even decreasing when the rights are next up for grabs.

Rugby league has long gone with a two-partner model of a free-to-air and subscription provider, with Fox and Nine paying top dollar for a property that has been a sure-fire ratings winner. However, the emergence of streaming service Kayo and a shift to fans consuming sport on mobile devices has further fragmented the market.

The NRL will give its current broadcast partners every opportunity to retain the rights before exploring alternate options. However, according to sources with knowledge of the approaching negotiations, the NRL could produce the broadcast content itself and then look to sell off the properties to interested parties if it isn't satisfied with the price broadcasters are willing to pay.

For instance, there could be a scenario in which the Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday and Sunday games could be sold as separate entities to individual networks, such as Nine, Seven, Ten and Fox Sports. Money would be saved by centralising all of the production costs while bidders could be prepared to pay more given it is an expense they wouldn’t have to bear.

Several other Australian sports including V8 Supercars have already taken their content production in-house. Tennis also uses a similar model for major events such as grand slams, on-selling the rights to broadcasters who then provide their own commentary teams.

The NRL has already made a $150 million investment in a digital strategy that includes a huge injection in nrl.com. It opens up the possibility of games potentially being delivered directly to subscribers, effectively taking out traditional television broadcasters as the middlemen.

The Origin matches, currently shown exclusively live on Nine, remain the biggest television events of the year. The NRL grand final between the Roosters and Raiders returned the lowest viewing figures on the network since 2003, attracting 1.866 million across the five capital cities. The decline was more alarming in the AFL grand final between Richmond and Greater Western Sydney, which attracted 2.19 million viewers – a 20 per cent drop on the previous decider.

Traditional TV figures are down for the NRL, although industry analysts believe the numbers stack up relatively well given the trend towards watching content on other electronic devices.

The NRL is expected to provide its strategy for the game’s footprint in coming months. The addition or relocation of teams could result in more value being added to the broadcast rights, particularly if Queensland gains a franchise.
 

LineBall

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first shot over the bow from v'landys? some kind of perverse warning from ch9? or just time for it to happen?

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/nr...-for-next-tv-rights-deal-20191018-p5321o.html

NRL considers in-house production for next TV rights deal

The NRL will consider bringing broadcast production of its matches in-house for the next television rights deal to maximise revenue in a move that would have huge ramifications for its traditional media partners.

The existing deal with Foxtel and Nine Entertainment Co – the publishers of the Herald – doesn’t expire until the end of the 2022 season. However, the governing body is already planning for the next rights negotiations to ensure all options are considered in a rapidly changing media landscape.
The NRL extracted $2 billion from Nine, Foxtel and Telstra to provide coverage of the game over a five-year period, a figure 70 per cent higher than the previous deal. However, changes in technology and viewing habits could result in the value flatlining or even decreasing when the rights are next up for grabs.

Rugby league has long gone with a two-partner model of a free-to-air and subscription provider, with Fox and Nine paying top dollar for a property that has been a sure-fire ratings winner. However, the emergence of streaming service Kayo and a shift to fans consuming sport on mobile devices has further fragmented the market.

The NRL will give its current broadcast partners every opportunity to retain the rights before exploring alternate options. However, according to sources with knowledge of the approaching negotiations, the NRL could produce the broadcast content itself and then look to sell off the properties to interested parties if it isn't satisfied with the price broadcasters are willing to pay.

For instance, there could be a scenario in which the Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday and Sunday games could be sold as separate entities to individual networks, such as Nine, Seven, Ten and Fox Sports. Money would be saved by centralising all of the production costs while bidders could be prepared to pay more given it is an expense they wouldn’t have to bear.

Several other Australian sports including V8 Supercars have already taken their content production in-house. Tennis also uses a similar model for major events such as grand slams, on-selling the rights to broadcasters who then provide their own commentary teams.

The NRL has already made a $150 million investment in a digital strategy that includes a huge injection in nrl.com. It opens up the possibility of games potentially being delivered directly to subscribers, effectively taking out traditional television broadcasters as the middlemen.

The Origin matches, currently shown exclusively live on Nine, remain the biggest television events of the year. The NRL grand final between the Roosters and Raiders returned the lowest viewing figures on the network since 2003, attracting 1.866 million across the five capital cities. The decline was more alarming in the AFL grand final between Richmond and Greater Western Sydney, which attracted 2.19 million viewers – a 20 per cent drop on the previous decider.

Traditional TV figures are down for the NRL, although industry analysts believe the numbers stack up relatively well given the trend towards watching content on other electronic devices.

The NRL is expected to provide its strategy for the game’s footprint in coming months. The addition or relocation of teams could result in more value being added to the broadcast rights, particularly if Queensland gains a franchise.

Sounds interesting. At least they are being somewhat proactive by revealing this years out from the next deal.
 

Perth Red

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Reckon its just a puff piece to put some pressure back to the tv companies after the recent stories about rights not being as valuable.
 

typicalfan

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I agree that it's an attempt to receive another big rights deal but this is definitely something on the cards in future.
 

Starkers

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Reckon its just a puff piece to put some pressure back to the tv companies after the recent stories about rights not being as valuable.
the herald is now owned by ch9, so they have no reason to pressure other networks to pump up the price.
 

melbbunny

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first time poster ( i think)

I dont think it will be too much of a multiple network for different night solution, more likely a relevant coverage per audience approach.

Those who live in Sydney may not get a QLD Derby on a friday night as the NRL can schedule 2 games at once for Sydney and have them both going on PTV and a streaming service at the same time as well as a game with NSW teams.on FTA.

It will also give the option for selling games to the relevant networks such as Canberra and Newcastle for their city based teams regardless of the timeframe.

if you know how the AFL does their coverage outside of VIC and works on similar principles then if could work very good for the fans and the game in terms of revenue
 

taipan

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first time poster ( i think)

I dont think it will be too much of a multiple network for different night solution, more likely a relevant coverage per audience approach.

Those who live in Sydney may not get a QLD Derby on a friday night as the NRL can schedule 2 games at once for Sydney and have them both going on PTV and a streaming service at the same time as well as a game with NSW teams.on FTA.

It will also give the option for selling games to the relevant networks such as Canberra and Newcastle for their city based teams regardless of the timeframe.

if you know how the AFL does their coverage outside of VIC and works on similar principles then if could work very good for the fans and the game in terms of revenue

Good thinking first time poster, makes a lot of sense.
 

TheRam

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I’m not sure if people on this forum wilfully or ignorantly ignore the connection between crowds, disposable income and TV rights.

Even if the AFL have 15% less Fox subscribers what if they have 30% more disposable income than the equivalent NRL subscriber?

Not only that, NRL ratings are underpinned by regions, not capitals. Cities have more professionals, consumerism and discretionary income than regional areas.

What if they have 5-10% more female engagement that NRL fans (often the family members who decide the budget)? Then Fox’s advertising is more valuable across a range of channels not just FoxSports.

The differences don’t have to be much in these areas between the two sports to explain the TV deals.

Roy Masters did a story on this very subject a few years ago and the NRL was way in front by a long shot. Ultimately the NRL has been shafted on its rights deals since forever, big time. We just have sh!thouse management that haven't got a freakin clue.
 

TheRam

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I've been saying this for a while, and not giving myself a rap, just the simple fact is ATM Ch10 has some programs that one could described, as being used at a 12 year old's party-guess this,charades,have you been paying attention lately, and something about singers wearing masks and costumes,absolutely riveting stuff.

They have a huuugge as Dazza Eastlake would describe owner in CBS etc.They want a ratings sport that will boost eyes on the box, thus more TV revenue for ads.

They could do no worse than the at times lazy, stale efforts of ch 9 in the last few years.Ch10 if successful would have different ideas ,offer a different commentary team perhaps, with people who come across as decent speakers ,rather than raspers, shouters or the local yobs one meets at Dominoes on a Friday night.
Please channel 10 just do it.Either grab a slice of the action ,share it with 7,or make ch9 pay overs for a 18 team comp.
Another bidder for the NRL come on down, you little ripper.


I still don't understand as to why you would give yourself a rap for stating the bleeding obvious? More like give yourself an upper cut you prima donna.
 

madunit

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Not sure why that article says 7 will also be interested. Seems unlikely, no?

10 is perfect. Theyll actually take pride in televising the league nationally and promote it. 9 cant wait to switch to something else the second a game finishes in victoria
7 may well look at taking Origin/Test matches. Smaller schedule that wouldn't interfere with AFL broadcasting, especially if they can get Origin back on to 3 Wednesday nights and Tests are all played post season.
 

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I still don't understand as to why you would give yourself a rap for stating the bleeding obvious? More like give yourself an upper cut you prima donna.

Sheesh.
Then you don't; understand a touch of sarcasm by me. Tad sensitive.
 

taipan

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Bought the Australian today ,under heading on front page(sorry can't access site due pay wall)
Seven to make a play for NRL rights by Leo Shanahan..
".Seven boss James Warburton is gearing up to make a serious play for the NRL broadcasting rights.
In the boldest move yet by the Seven west Media chief executive since taking the job in August.
The Australian understandsSeven will try to steal the rights from Nine, with current deals fro League and AFL set to expire at the end of 2022 ,and negotiations for new deals to begin over the next year."News and live sport are central to our DNA Warburton said."we'd be interested in looking at rights when the time is right.'It is understood that Seven would compete for the NRL FTA rights in 2023 ,Mr Warburton said he was interested.
It is understood that Seven has reached out to the NRL to express an interest in gaining the rights as part of an attempt to capture greater market share in Sydney and Brisbane ,in a move that could end its long association with televising the AFL.
Mr Warburton said he had a good relationship with new Australian RL Commission Chairman Peter V'Landys through his role as Racing NSW CEO and had a good relationship with NRL boss Todd Greenberg and would be interested in talking to them when the time is right.
The Seven boss said holding onto the AFL would be his preference but he floated the idea of taking the SOO series if full NRL rights could not be achieved.
The numbers have been pretty spectacular across the board for the AFL, so I think the number one winter sport is the AFL.So if you had to choose, you'd choose the AFL.Which is not to say that you wouldn't want to do more in Sydney or Brisbane with NRL, or you wouldn't want to look at something like the SOO series."

This in the media section of the Australian, followed on with ratings and Tv deals fort both the codes, which takes too long to fill in here, and pretty much what we all know anyway.

So maybe just maybe having V'Landys on board with his contacts will be helpful in the Tv deals.
 

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