2018 Draw

[Timmah]

What?

 

[AJB1102]

I recall having read something like $30M for Origin. I don't think that was TV money alone though, I think it might have been more like 'gotta be careful tinkering with Origin and NRL are reluctant because it brings in $30M'.

TV would be a significant part of that but not the whole.

 

[BuffaloRules]

Is it? I doubt its value has ever been confirmed anywhere officially
.Its funny how when things like origin value are excluded in arguments about why AFL do better than us in tv revenue everyone says its part of the season and is irrelevant as its part of the NRL package, cant have it looking like AFL have more value to TV value than us. Then when someone wants to make a claim AFL did better than NRL, in this case to make Smith look bad, its not included. Got to love "facts"

I think it's funny that you will quote as "fact" what some GWS stooge says that the AFL ninth game is worth... but then that's because it suits your main agenda..:

There has been some media speculation about what Origin is worth - I'm sure you can google although I suspect you have seen the articles already when they were published at the time.., three of the top 5 sporting shows of the year has plenty of value and I think you know that...

For some reason you always defend Smith but whinge continually about the TV deal - time slots, not enough money,AFL gets more ..Wah Wah...

Well guess what... Smith is one of the architects that got us into this position,,.

What they ended up getting out of Nine was a 38 per cent increase on the old deal and that included moving the 2nd Fri night to Thurs... this was Smiths legacy..

 

[Captain Apollo]

There has been some media speculation about what Origin is worth - I'm sure you can google although I suspect you have seen the articles already when they were published at the time.., three of the top 5 sporting shows of the year has plenty of value and I think you know that...

In terms of Origin's worth, you only have to go back to the mid-1980s. Don't forget, back then through t the early 1990s, it was a separate TV deal as Channel 9 covered it whilst Channel 10 had the (then) NSWRL Premiership and Channel 7 (for a large part) had Test football. Nine paid plenty to get those rights to Origin and to hold onto them.

 

[Timmah]

The value would be astronomical - the ad space alone during the game and at HT would be immense in $$$ generated

 

[Hello, I'm The Doctor]

I recall having read something like $30M for Origin. I don't think that was TV money alone though, I think it might have been more like 'gotta be careful tinkering with Origin and NRL are reluctant because it brings in $30M'.

TV would be a significant part of that but not the whole.

This kind of value is why it is insane to me that the ARLC doesnt invest more in Rep football....

Club football is likely the biggest it will ever be, we are limited in the locations of games (thanks to SL/insular club bosses) that is almost impossible to change and oversaturation of the same club content makes fans stop giving a shit (who cares if you miss THIS round, there are 25 more of the same).

Club football should be the foundation of top-level RL, but the potential for growth is clearly in rep football. Origin has shown the way (huge event/limited content so it doesnt get stale), but there are a dozen more that can draw comparable passion (9s is a fun gimmick, Indigenous AllStars could be bigger than Origin if they had a decent opponent, Kangaroos/NZ need more build up than a random ANZAC test can bring, etc)

The best thing about rep football is that it takes the power away from the clubs, the players will come if there is enough money on offer and they participants are selected each year (unlike than the NRL teams who believe their spots are given by god).

 

[Mister M]

Perhaps you chose not to read my post. I merely indicated it's not locked in because the AFL Draw isn't out. Hell, Round 1 hasn't even leaked yet as it normally would a week out from the fixture release.

I agree that it's likely but I think we should cross that bridge when we come to it, it's not going to change the NRL Draw.

Can we 'cross this bridge' now that the AFL Round #1 Fixture has been 'teased'/released by the Herald Sun and it has been confirmed that the Storm/Cowboys is on at the same time as Richmond/Carlton??

I said it when the NRL draw was released and I'll say it again, this is incredibly poor scheduling by the NRL (as it could've been easily predicted that this match will happen) where the NRL will be made to look inferior by having the Grand Final rematch played in front of a sub-par crowd less than 500 metres away from the first AFL game of the year which will have 90,000+ crowd.

The NRL has only so many 'marquee' games up their sleeve that actually pull larger than average crowds in Melbourne (Anzac Day, Broncos, Cowboys, GF Rematch) , by having two of those 4 possibilities (in the Cowboys and the GF Rematch) wasted on a Thursday night where fan numbers will be down to it being
a. A Thursday night
b. A clash with one of the biggest AFL games of the Home & Away Season

will cause the crowd numbers to be way down. But I said the same thing about the Friday 6pm game we played in June when it was announced last year being a bad decision (which is was)--- but I fully expect you Timmah to make a post defending the NRL's decision making, as you have to most posts I've written.

 

[Timmah]

Maybe the NRL's acknowledged a GF re-match involving the Storm isn't necessarily a marquee fixture?

After all, only 12,694 turned up to watch the Sharks clash this year. OK.... it was shit conditions, but even then, 12k? In a city of 4m?

I agree - the scheduling isn't great but I don't hold the GF re-match to the same standard as ANZAC Day or Good Friday in terms of "marquee" status.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

So now we have to guess what flogball are doing before creating our draw.

Seems reasonable.

 

[POPEYE]

Maybe the NRL's acknowledged a GF re-match involving the Storm isn't necessarily a marquee fixture?

After all, only 12,694 turned up to watch the Sharks clash this year. OK.... it was shit conditions, but even then, 12k? In a city of 4m?

I agree - the scheduling isn't great but I don't hold the GF re-match to the same standard as ANZAC Day or Good Friday in terms of "marquee" status.

A gf rematch with the Cowboys at full strength and Storm this time without a main man would be worthy of at least 'intriguing'

 

[9701]

A gf rematch with the Cowboys at full strength and Storm this time without a main man would be worthy of at least 'intriguing'

Not as intruiging as a salary cap rorting testimonial game between the Cowboys and the Storm.

 

[Perth Red]

So now we have to guess what flogball are doing before creating our draw.

Seems reasonable.

Educated guess by the sounds of it, and yes generally going up against big afl games in Melbourne should be avoided where possible.

 

[Mister M]

So now we have to guess what flogball are doing before creating our draw.

Seems reasonable.

It's not much of a 'guess' when Richmond Vs Carlton is an annual Thursday night event at the MCG, all the NRL had to do was look at when the AFL season would start (which was released back in August) to know that this would be a bad idea that would make the NRL look inferior when both high profile games are played with a few hundred metres of each other come the 22nd march next year.

The Richmond/Carlton clash is about a safe of a bet as suggesting to someone not to get married during the weekend closest to the end of September as it will be Grand Final weekend; it doesn't need to be publicly announced to know that it's going to occur on that date.

Not as intruiging as a salary cap rorting testimonial game between the Cowboys and the Storm.

Not sure how many people that live in Melbourne will be attending a game played a Suncorp, this their will still be intrigue around this match up when it gets to Melbourne in Round 3--unfortunately even with this intrigue the code will be made look second rate in Melbourne that night due to the Richmond/Carlton 90,000+ across the road. People complain that storm pull small crowds in Melbourne; for example:

After all, only 12,694 turned up to watch the Sharks clash this year. OK.... it was shit conditions, but even then, 12k? In a city of 4m?

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But it's simple, you can't grow the game when you are making it look incredibly inferior to the AFL. To turn 15k into 20k+ on a weekly basis the Melbourne Storm need to better 'connect' with the Melbourne sports loving community, of which they are AFL supporters first and then will support other teams secondary if it's convenient .

By placing this game (well any NRL game in Melbourne) up against the first game of the AFL season just makes it not an option for these supporters to go 'check out the Storm' for the first time because they'll either be going to the AFL game instead or be scared away by the congestion around Melbourne Park.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Sorry Mister M but most normal people don't know or give a flying f**k when Richman are playing Carlton Banks.

If Melbourne continue to be so obscure that they can't attract a crowd despite their success in backwardsville then that's their problem not the NRLs

 

[Timmah]

Sorry Mister M but most normal people don't know or give a flying f**k when Richman are playing Carlton Banks.

If Melbourne continue to be so obscure that they can't attract a crowd despite their success in backwardsville then that's their problem not the NRLs

I agree that the NRL shouldn't be scheduling matches contigent on what the AFL does but at the same time I do understand @Mister M's point about not going directly head to head with them unnecessarily.

Having said that - Melbourne has proven capable of holding big events concurrently / on the same day - given it's still fairly early in the season I could still see it pulling 15-20k with some good marketing.

 

[seanoff]

Sorry Mister M but most normal people don't know or give a flying f**k when Richman are playing Carlton Banks.

If Melbourne continue to be so obscure that they can't attract a crowd despite their success in backwardsville then that's their problem not the NRLs

If Melbourne are obscure and pull the 2nd best average in the NRL in a city obsessed with another sport, what does that say about every team except brisbane where the NRL is supposedly the dominant sport?

Canberra - shit, ALL of the Sydney teams - worse, Newcastle - maybe sorta OK. NQ - small market but meh.


So Melbourne, who were 2nd in av attendance, are underperforming?

The NRL have to at least face the reality of Melbourne needing just a little assistance by not putting them directly up against a slam dunk blockbuster for another sport. It happens in TV. The other channels run away from competing against monster events.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

If Melbourne are obscure and pull the 2nd best average in the NRL in a city obsessed with another sport, what does that say about every team except brisbane where the NRL is supposedly the dominant sport?

Canberra - shit, ALL of the Sydney teams - worse, Newcastle - maybe sorta OK. NQ - small market but meh.


So Melbourne, who were 2nd in av attendance, are underperforming?

The NRL have to at least face the reality of Melbourne needing just a little assistance by not putting them directly up against a slam dunk blockbuster for another sport. It happens in TV. The other channels run away from competing against monster events.

I don't need a history or maths lesson thanks. My post was in reference to someone implying that the nrl should schedule Melbourne's games with the afl in mind.

I say f**k that.

 

[Hank_Scorpio]

I don't need a history or maths lesson thanks. My post was in reference to someone implying that the nrl should schedule Melbourne's games with the afl in mind.

I say f**k that.

Short-sightedness to take this approach. Should very much note when the AFL is on to capitalise on timing of gaps in the fixture in Melbourne. Like when they have their pre finals bye and we got a better crowd than would otherwise be expected against the Raiders, or scheduling an ANZAC night game after the MCG game to drag across people already in the area. Its just smart business, especially when trying to maximise crowd numbers.

You would never see a Sydney AFL game scheduled against the Sydney NRL ANZAC or Easter game. Common sense.

 

[Perth Red]

I don't need a history or maths lesson thanks. My post was in reference to someone implying that the nrl should schedule Melbourne's games with the afl in mind.

I say f**k that.

If you want lower crowds than could be realised in melbourne that would be a good attitude for the NRL to take. After all the elite comp of RL dropping below a 15k avg should be no cause for concern right?

 

[POPEYE]

I don't need a history or maths lesson thanks. My post was in reference to someone implying that the nrl should schedule Melbourne's games with the afl in mind.

I say f**k that.

I think he gotcha ol' mate