2019 coach

[Aliceinwonderland]

Ooh... the new Six Tackles with Gus podcast has just dropped.

Oh wow. Better than telly.

 

[jane the pain]

Attempted murder or attempting to solicit a murder, something like that.

Holy cow.

 

[roofromoz]

Six Tackles With Gus Round 22

Join Phil Gould and James Bracey as they clear the air on the story surrounding coach Anthony Griffin and his departure from the Penrith Panthers. This is an episode you can not miss.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Gus says in the podcast that the meeting between Dave O’Neill & Cleary was over the sale of Clearys house.

I can smell pork..

He also starts the podcast by saying “one day the truth will come out”

Umm, why not just tell us the truth now?!

 

[Tronald Crump]

You have to laugh

 

[chrisD]

Are you expecting Ivan Cleary to be coaching at the Panthers next year?

Gus - "No" - But I'm not privy to what went down in the conversation (the Cleary and Dave O'Neill conversation).

Gould says he hasn't spoken to Ivan.

 

[Panther_Daz]

You have to laugh

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I made that! Hahaha

 

[franklin2323]

I know the story. Gus snd Ivan werent sold on him until after his debut. No doubt due to his poor work ethic off the field.

After a single game though he was Ivans fullback. He did not choose Whare or Naiqama over him.

The second tier salary cap was also stopped him getting a run earlier. He wasnt in the top 25.

Moylan was here before Ivan was. Ivan could of put him in the top 25 but didn't... So even backup guys rated now. May not be under the new coach

 

[herbert henry1908]

If what Gould says is correct, Dave O’Neill the panthers chairman has to go.

He’s basically gone behind the panthers board back & created all this mid season drama. Griffin was going to go at the end of the season, but O’Neill brought things on without telling anyone.

 

[Pomoz]

I dont necessarily disagree (that much) with anything you have said but it is besides the point? In all of the instance you list here, there is still consideration for both parties, one wants to break the contract and the other receives his (potentially negotiated) payment. In the case of say Cleary walking out the door (or SBW out the Bulldogs door), what consideration do the Tigers (or Bulldogs in SBW case) get? There isnt any.

Keep in mind that I haven't brought this up as an opinion of the rights and wrongs in this particular Cleary case, I merely brought it up because I have seen many people say "well its just the same as when a club sacks a coach or player". Its not. its totally different.

And by the way, on a totally different angle, inducement to break a legal binding contract is illegal under tort law.

If you are just referring to Ivan's case (I was also thinking of Griffins situation) then sure, consideration is an issue. I'm really referring to what happens in practice, not the strict legal interpretation as most of the time it doesn't get to that in these scenarios. Cleary would have a notice period in his contract as would the club. Agreement to shorten it is a commercial negotiation. CEO's and players leave high paying jobs for something better all the time, it really just comes down to money in the end.

I take your point about inducing Cleary to break his contract, but the Panthers don't need to induce Cleary, they just need to make an offer and its up to Cleary to decide whether he wants to end his contract and negotiate his way out of it. I would hope the Panthers aren't daft enough to make an offer in a way that is an inducement (we'll look after you, leave now, we'll get you lawyers, that sort of thing).

 

[Panther_Daz]

I actually believe Gus on this Cleary thing.

I honestly believe Gus does not want Cleary as the coach next year

 

[chrisD]

I actually believe Gus on this Cleary thing.

I honestly believe Gus does not want Cleary as the coach next year

Absolutely, couldn't doubt it after that podcast. Too bad so sad for him.

 

[Tronald Crump]

I made that! Hahaha

Well done.

 

[roofromoz]

Shit's getting real...

 

[BxTom]

I actually believe Gus on this Cleary thing.

I honestly believe Gus does not want Cleary as the coach next year

I don't know whether Gus wants Cleary or not, but Gus has just said that the Board wanted Griffin gone and he (Gus) wanted to give him more time. Fletcher, in the on air interview, said the board sacked Griffin on Gus's advice. So who's telling porkies?

Tom.

 

[OldPanther]

Ivan trying to escape:

 

[roofromoz]

Ivan trying to escape:

Ooh me plums.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

So, is it just me, or is this looking more and more like a giant clusterf**k?

 

[herbert henry1908]

I actually believe Gus on this Cleary thing.

I honestly believe Gus does not want Cleary as the coach next year

Yeah after listening to that I don’t think Gould wants Ivan Cleary as the coach.

 

[herbert henry1908]

So, is it just me, or is this looking more and more like a giant clusterf**k?

It is, a massive one. Zero communication by the board.