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Crashtest

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Panthers ready for sixth Carty party
FEBRUARY 26, 2019
If you took a six pack to the Carty Party, you’d have one for each member of the family to play first grade for Penrith.

Jed Cartwright carries a surname synonymous with the Panthers.

The 22-year-old son of former NSW and Australian forward John Cartwright is on the cusp of making his NRL debut and becoming the sixth member of his prodigious rugby league family to play for Penrith.

Jed’s father, his uncles David, Michael and Cliff, and his cousin Bryce have all worn the Panthers jersey.

And his grandfather, Merv Cartwright, worked tirelessly to gain the Panthers entry into the NSWRL competition in 1967 before becoming the club’s first secretary.

But being a descendant of the godfather of Penrith doesn’t automatically guarantee you a start as a Panther.


Jed’s father John was a Penrith legend.
“There is a fair bit of pressure that goes with the name,” Jed’s father, John Cartwright, said.

“So to be able to achieve his goal, it would make us super proud.

“I know when I came through as a junior, my Dad (Merv) was synonymous with Penrith. I think sometimes you have to work that little bit harder because of that.

“You’re always going to get people saying you’re there because of your Dad or your name. It certainly gave me that extra drive.”

Back-rower Viliame Kikau’s knee injury will keep him out for six weeks, opening the door for utility player Cartwright to push for a bench spot for Penrith’s season opener against Parramatta on March 17.

He is a true utility having previously played left and right wing, fullback, centre and in the halves. He seems to have settled in the back row although he still trains sometimes at centre.


Merv Cartwright was Penrith’s founding father.
Panthers general manager Phil Gould spoke highly of Cartwright on Tuesday night saying: “Jed Cartwright had a wretched year in 2018 and virtually missed a whole season with injury.

“He has trained brilliantly this summer and is in terrific shape. His trial on the weekend was very encouraging.

“I’m confident that once he gets some regular game time under his belt, we will see an NRL debut from him this season. He certainly has the potential”.

Cartwright played 24 under-20s games for the Gold Coast in 2015 and 2016 before shifting to Penrith and representing the Panthers 25 times in the NSW Intrust Premiership over the following two years, scoring seven tries.

“I certainly think he has the ability to play NRL and I know he has the will to play. I’m hopeful. I would be so happy for him if he did,” his father John said.


Carwright played well in the trial win over South Sydney.
“I know he has worked really hard, especially over the last 12 months to get himself in a really good place. He needs to play some football to get some miles in his legs.

“He had a really, really tough season last year with injury and mentally he was struggling with it. He had some tough times so I’m happy he’s been able to really have his first full off-season and be able to do the majority of the training and to get a crack in the trial the other night. He did pretty well.

“The main thing is that mentally he is in a way better position than what he was in last year, and physically also. He is now at the right playing weight.”
https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/s...y/news-story/1c2e4374d192c9ae688e4ac4d2a04279

I was surprised he wasn’t selected for the Parra trial. Especially with Kikau out injured.
 

Matthew Ellis

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My team for round one:
1. Edwards
2. Dallin
3. Waqa
4. Whare
5. Sauce
6. Maloney
7. Cleary
8. RCG
9. Egan
10. JFH
11. Kaide Ellis
12. Yeo (c)
13. Hame Sele
14. Tamou
15. Moses Leota
16. Liam Martin
17. Tyrone May
18. Tyrell Fuimaono
ISP Round 1:
1. Caleb Aekins
2. Phillips
3. Mattheson Johns
4. Ratu
5. MWZ
6. Jarome Laui
7. Liam Coleman
8. Tim Grant (c)
9. Sione Katoa
10. Jack Hetherington
11. Billy Burns
12. Jed Cartwright
13. Nick Lui-Toso
14. Paea Pua
15. Spencer Leniu
16. Shawn Blore
17. Mitch Kenny
18. Reed Izzard
 
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franklin2323

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A couple of things.

Won't Liam Coleman be suspended like De Belin?

In that 17. Who'd go into the backs if someone goes down? Even a head knock is 15 mins off the field
 

Matthew Ellis

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A couple of things.

Won't Liam Coleman be suspended like De Belin?

In that 17. Who'd go into the backs if someone goes down? Even a head knock is 15 mins off the field
1) I believe the rule is a player is suspended if charged with a crime that carries a maximum sentence of 11 years +. I don't think Coleman has been charged with that. If it's less than that it's up to discretion of the higher ups.
2) Yeo to centre and May to second row. Or May to centre.
 
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Kilkenny

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Well good for him. Does show a flaw in the new rule

Aggravated Indecent Assault sounds pretty sinister but in reality relatively minor things such as unwanted kiss, pat on the bum etc etc can lead to a charge of this nature. The term aggravated comes into play when the alleged offence involves another party ie offence committed in company of another. I can't remember who the only player was in this incident or what the alleged assault involved but in the scheme of things I wouldn't expect a player to be stood down for an offence of this nature unless the alleged offender had a history of similar incidents.
 

franklin2323

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Aggravated Indecent Assault sounds pretty sinister but in reality relatively minor things such as unwanted kiss, pat on the bum etc etc can lead to a charge of this nature. The term aggravated comes into play when the alleged offence involves another party ie offence committed in company of another. I can't remember who the only player was in this incident or what the alleged assault involved but in the scheme of things I wouldn't expect a player to be stood down for an offence of this nature unless the alleged offender had a history of similar incidents.

The other player involved hasn't been registered with Tigers yet.

Don't get me wrong I am glad Coleman can still play. Good chance to push for a fulltime deal next year compared to not playing.

Same innocent yet Musgrove can't play while Coleman can..So still lots of grey area
 

Kilkenny

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I understand there are two camps in this whole debate about whether players charged with serious criminal offences, particularly those which involve violence and or committed against women may be stood down pending the outcome of court proceedings. Personally, I don't have a strong view one way or the other but I do understand why the game has adopted the position it has now taken. In respect of the Musgrove/Coleman offence I don't think it is sufficiently serious to warrant either player being stood down and I guess Musgrove found himself in the unfortunate position of being between clubs at the time the alleged offence occurred hence the fact his contract has not been registered leaving him in limbo.
 

forby

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I understand there are two camps in this whole debate about whether players charged with serious criminal offences, particularly those which involve violence and or committed against women may be stood down pending the outcome of court proceedings. Personally, I don't have a strong view one way or the other but I do understand why the game has adopted the position it has now taken. In respect of the Musgrove/Coleman offence I don't think it is sufficiently serious to warrant either player being stood down and I guess Musgrove found himself in the unfortunate position of being between clubs at the time the alleged offence occurred hence the fact his contract has not been registered leaving him in limbo.
Hasn't he had more than one offence?
 

franklin2323

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I understand there are two camps in this whole debate about whether players charged with serious criminal offences, particularly those which involve violence and or committed against women may be stood down pending the outcome of court proceedings. Personally, I don't have a strong view one way or the other but I do understand why the game has adopted the position it has now taken. In respect of the Musgrove/Coleman offence I don't think it is sufficiently serious to warrant either player being stood down and I guess Musgrove found himself in the unfortunate position of being between clubs at the time the alleged offence occurred hence the fact his contract has not been registered leaving him in limbo.

I not in either camp really. I think they should probably play but I have no idea if sponsors, Broadcasters etc are kicking a fuss BUT to me if you are going to bring in such as rule then it should be any player charged sits out that takes away the grey areas.
 

Kilkenny

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I not in either camp really. I think they should probably play but I have no idea if sponsors, Broadcasters etc are kicking a fuss BUT to me if you are going to bring in such as rule then it should be any player charged sits out that takes away the grey areas.
Your probably right.
 

Kilkenny

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After all the initial controversy surrounding the return of Ivan Cleary, the loss of Peachy and Merrin, our pre season has largely been a positive one and we were largely united in looking forward to the new season with optimism.

This whole sex tape business is such an unwanted distraction and disappointment and while you can discount the long term effect it does have the potential to derail our start to the season.

I was so looking forward to our three trial games tomorrow against the Eels and it has now been high jacked by this ridiculous situation.

I haven’t seen the videos and haven’t had the inclination to find them to watch them but regardless of what they show or don’t we didn’t need it. I don’t care about whether it is or isn’t a good look for the NRL I just care about the potential to impact on our start to season 2019 so on that basis I am pissed off.
 
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